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Hello,

I've just purchased JT Aqualung release which appears on the HDTracks in 24/96 PCM resolution flacs. To be honest, pretty stunning transfer as you can see on the graphs and sounds fantastic. Good CREST and interleave dynamics. Almost all 24-bit used and seen in the bit monitor.

 

It was recorded in 1971, but I guess the tapes were in pretty good condition till nowadays.

 

One things is missing the liner notes with lyrics. Enjoy!

 

02-Cross-Eyed Mary (Mixed And Mastered By Steven Wilson).flac_report.png

 

07-My God (Mixed And Mastered By Steven Wilson).flac_report.png

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Krzysztof Maj

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"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Can you explain a bit about these plots? Only the middle one is self-evident to me.

 

You can look at many aspects on the graphs, but I think the most important are: Loudness Full Scale section and True Peak Meter CREST factor. Of course there is also tab with bit monitor, not shown here, but it helps you to see if all the bits are used and don't have any suspicious similar pattern - being potential of upsampling etc.

 

As for the Loudness Full scale the "I" value means integrated loudness peak values - The averaged loudness over the whole track (or LUFS close to the RMS value roughly for the pink noise for calibration), close to the dynamic range (DR) as some kind of the quality factor if there is too much compression used - this case -17dB. Other values are short term and momentary loudness params and are close to that like watching traditional VU Meters. Around or below -10dB which is very good I think.

Those are described in EBU R128 and ITU-R BS-1770 standards.

 

CREST factor is more complicated and it's being described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_factor The meaning of this value could be perceived as the studio master quality where close to 10 or better is very good I think. Heavy compressed and limited music can reach values below 4 dB. A good native studio master should have a maximum crest larger than 10 dB.

 

There is also CUF (Cut Off Frequency) which determines where the audio peaks can reach, but it is not right every time - depends on the noise level and complication of the waveform etc.

 

At least those are my understanding and I open to discuss it as well.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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This is the same mix as on the 40th Anniversary blu-ray, BUT it is Steven Wilson's mastering. Both Aqualung and Thick as a Brick were remixed by Steven Wilson but then mastered by someone else. Steve wasn't exactly thrilled with the results and now insists that his mixes not be remastered by anyone else.

 

So, these new HD releases are Steven Wilson's original masterings. I believe that Benefit is the same mastering as on the original Steven Wilson remix releases, but I'm not 100% sure. Looking forward to the new Thick as a Brick release.

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This is the same mix as on the 40th Anniversary blu-ray, BUT it is Steven Wilson's mastering. Both Aqualung and Thick as a Brick were remixed by Steven Wilson but then mastered by someone else. Steve wasn't exactly thrilled with the results and now insists that his mixes not be remastered by anyone else.

 

So, these new HD releases are Steven Wilson's original masterings. I believe that Benefit is the same mastering as on the original Steven Wilson remix releases, but I'm not 100% sure. Looking forward to the new Thick as a Brick release.

 

Interesting and you may be right because Benefit doesn't show "remixed by Steven Wilson" next to it and has "2013 stereo remix". Could be another case of misleading the public with "this" release of Benefit

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I completely missed this thread, but have posted DR charts to the thread "Aqualung at HDTracks" in the Music Downloads & Streaming forum. I haven't listened to the downloads yet, but looking at the numbers, the HDTracks download of Steven Wilson's remix of Aqualung seemingly improves upon the excellent 2011 DVD-A/Blu-Ray release, notwithstanding the fact that the bonus tracks are omitted.

However, Benefit looks like some limiting was applied, and, unfortunately, based on the numbers, falls short of the 2013 Anniversary Edition.

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I completely missed this thread, but have posted DR charts to the thread "Aqualung at HDTracks" in the Music Downloads & Streaming forum. I haven't listened to the downloads yet, but looking at the numbers, the HDTracks download of Steven Wilson's remix of Aqualung seemingly improves upon the excellent 2011 DVD-A/Blu-Ray release, notwithstanding the fact that the bonus tracks are omitted.

However, Benefit looks like some limiting was applied, and, unfortunately, based on the numbers, falls short of the 2013 Anniversary Edition.

 

Could you post the values here as well or show us a link to them please? Yes, limiting is applied and I can hear that over my cans, but not too much as for the rock album and the sound is pretty "airy" and punchy IMHO.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Could you post the values here as well or show us a link to them please? Yes, limiting is applied and I can hear that over my cans, but not too much as for the rock album and the sound is pretty "airy" and punchy IMHO.

 

Aqualung (S. Wilson remix_ 2011 DVD-A)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR12 -0.07 dB -14.75 dB 01 Aqualung.aiff

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.76 dB 02 Cross-Eyed Mary.aiff

DR15 -4.97 dB -24.12 dB 03 Cheap Day Return.aiff

DR14 -0.07 dB -17.28 dB 04 Mother Goose.aiff

DR15 -3.12 dB -21.84 dB 05 Wond'ring Aloud.aiff

DR12 -0.07 dB -13.85 dB 06 Up To Me.aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -16.44 dB 07 My God.aiff

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.84 dB 08 Hymn 43.aiff

DR15 -3.10 dB -23.20 dB 09 Slipstream.aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -16.14 dB 10 Locomotive Breath.aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -16.37 dB 11 Wind-Up.aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -14.80 dB 12 Lick Your Fingers Clean (New Mix).aiff

DR13 -4.30 dB -20.88 dB 13 Just Trying To Be (New Mix).aiff

DR14 -0.08 dB -19.20 dB 14 My God (Early Version).aiff

DR13 -2.27 dB -18.95 dB 15 Wond'ring Aloud (13th December 1970).aiff

DR14 -0.07 dB -17.99 dB 16 Wind-Up (Early Version).aiff

DR15 -2.05 dB -22.58 dB 17 Slipstream (Take 2).aiff

DR14 -2.69 dB -20.27 dB 18 Up The 'Pool (Early Version).aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -16.20 dB 19 Wond'ring Aloud, Again (Full Morgan Version).aiff

DR13 -0.12 dB -16.61 dB 20 Life Is A Long Song (New Mix).aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -14.63 dB 21 Up The 'Pool (New Mix).aiff

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Number of files: 21

Official DR value: DR13

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Jethro Tull/Aqualung (S. Wilson remix_2015 HDTracks)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR14 -0.10 dB -16.64 dB 01 Aqualung.aif

DR13 -0.10 dB -15.18 dB 02 Cross-Eyed Mary.aif

DR15 -4.80 dB -24.05 dB 03 Cheap Day Return.aif

DR16 -0.57 dB -19.84 dB 04 Mother Goose.aif

DR15 -2.09 dB -21.86 dB 05 Wond'ring Aloud.aif

DR13 -1.28 dB -16.62 dB 06 Up To Me.aif

DR14 -0.10 dB -17.98 dB 07 My God.aif

DR14 -0.12 dB -15.80 dB 08 Hymn 43.aif

DR14 -3.38 dB -23.67 dB 09 Slipstream.aif

DR14 -0.10 dB -17.10 dB 10 Locomotive Breath.aif

DR13 -0.20 dB -17.42 dB 11 Wind-Up.aif

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Number of files: 11

Official DR value: DR14

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Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2013 DVD-A)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR13 -2.78 dB -18.55 dB 01 With You There To Help Me.aiff

DR12 -4.34 dB -18.75 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aiff

DR12 -2.99 dB -18.70 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aiff

DR13 -3.01 dB -17.89 dB 04 Son.aiff

DR12 -4.15 dB -19.88 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me.aiff

DR12 -3.67 dB -17.38 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aiff

DR13 -3.60 dB -18.28 dB 07 A TIme For Everything_.aiff

DR14 -2.97 dB -19.48 dB 08 Inside.aiff

DR13 -3.15 dB -18.88 dB 09 Play In Time.aiff

DR13 -8.30 dB -23.54 dB 10 Sossity; You_re A Woman.aiff

DR13 -6.22 dB -21.10 dB 11 Singing All Day.aiff

DR13 -2.10 dB -17.24 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aiff

DR13 -4.68 dB -19.24 dB 13 17.aiff

DR12 -2.79 dB -17.89 dB 14 Teacher (UK single version).aiff

DR13 -3.24 dB -18.24 dB 15 Teacher (US album version).aiff

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR13

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Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2015 HDTracks)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR10 -0.05 dB -12.98 dB 01 With You There to Help Me.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.30 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.73 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.04 dB 04 Son.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -15.19 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey And Me.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.13 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -12.87 dB 07 A Time For Everything.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -14.32 dB 08 Inside.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.90 dB 09 Play In Time.aif

DR13 -2.27 dB -17.39 dB 10 Sossity You're A Woman.aif

DR13 -0.10 dB -14.95 dB 11 Singing All Day.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.07 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.63 dB 13 17.aif

DR11 -0.05 dB -13.19 dB 14 Teacher (UK).aif

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.96 dB 15 Teacher (US).aif

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR11

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Aqualung (S. Wilson remix_ 2011 DVD-A)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR12 -0.07 dB -14.75 dB 01 Aqualung.aiff

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.76 dB 02 Cross-Eyed Mary.aiff

DR15 -4.97 dB -24.12 dB 03 Cheap Day Return.aiff

DR14 -0.07 dB -17.28 dB 04 Mother Goose.aiff

DR15 -3.12 dB -21.84 dB 05 Wond'ring Aloud.aiff

DR12 -0.07 dB -13.85 dB 06 Up To Me.aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -16.44 dB 07 My God.aiff

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.84 dB 08 Hymn 43.aiff

DR15 -3.10 dB -23.20 dB 09 Slipstream.aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -16.14 dB 10 Locomotive Breath.aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -16.37 dB 11 Wind-Up.aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -14.80 dB 12 Lick Your Fingers Clean (New Mix).aiff

DR13 -4.30 dB -20.88 dB 13 Just Trying To Be (New Mix).aiff

DR14 -0.08 dB -19.20 dB 14 My God (Early Version).aiff

DR13 -2.27 dB -18.95 dB 15 Wond'ring Aloud (13th December 1970).aiff

DR14 -0.07 dB -17.99 dB 16 Wind-Up (Early Version).aiff

DR15 -2.05 dB -22.58 dB 17 Slipstream (Take 2).aiff

DR14 -2.69 dB -20.27 dB 18 Up The 'Pool (Early Version).aiff

DR13 -0.08 dB -16.20 dB 19 Wond'ring Aloud, Again (Full Morgan Version).aiff

DR13 -0.12 dB -16.61 dB 20 Life Is A Long Song (New Mix).aiff

DR12 -0.08 dB -14.63 dB 21 Up The 'Pool (New Mix).aiff

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Number of files: 21

Official DR value: DR13

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Jethro Tull/Aqualung (S. Wilson remix_2015 HDTracks)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR14 -0.10 dB -16.64 dB 01 Aqualung.aif

DR13 -0.10 dB -15.18 dB 02 Cross-Eyed Mary.aif

DR15 -4.80 dB -24.05 dB 03 Cheap Day Return.aif

DR16 -0.57 dB -19.84 dB 04 Mother Goose.aif

DR15 -2.09 dB -21.86 dB 05 Wond'ring Aloud.aif

DR13 -1.28 dB -16.62 dB 06 Up To Me.aif

DR14 -0.10 dB -17.98 dB 07 My God.aif

DR14 -0.12 dB -15.80 dB 08 Hymn 43.aif

DR14 -3.38 dB -23.67 dB 09 Slipstream.aif

DR14 -0.10 dB -17.10 dB 10 Locomotive Breath.aif

DR13 -0.20 dB -17.42 dB 11 Wind-Up.aif

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Number of files: 11

Official DR value: DR14

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Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2013 DVD-A)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR13 -2.78 dB -18.55 dB 01 With You There To Help Me.aiff

DR12 -4.34 dB -18.75 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aiff

DR12 -2.99 dB -18.70 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aiff

DR13 -3.01 dB -17.89 dB 04 Son.aiff

DR12 -4.15 dB -19.88 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me.aiff

DR12 -3.67 dB -17.38 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aiff

DR13 -3.60 dB -18.28 dB 07 A TIme For Everything_.aiff

DR14 -2.97 dB -19.48 dB 08 Inside.aiff

DR13 -3.15 dB -18.88 dB 09 Play In Time.aiff

DR13 -8.30 dB -23.54 dB 10 Sossity; You_re A Woman.aiff

DR13 -6.22 dB -21.10 dB 11 Singing All Day.aiff

DR13 -2.10 dB -17.24 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aiff

DR13 -4.68 dB -19.24 dB 13 17.aiff

DR12 -2.79 dB -17.89 dB 14 Teacher (UK single version).aiff

DR13 -3.24 dB -18.24 dB 15 Teacher (US album version).aiff

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR13

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Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2015 HDTracks)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR10 -0.05 dB -12.98 dB 01 With You There to Help Me.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.30 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.73 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.04 dB 04 Son.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -15.19 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey And Me.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.13 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -12.87 dB 07 A Time For Everything.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -14.32 dB 08 Inside.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.90 dB 09 Play In Time.aif

DR13 -2.27 dB -17.39 dB 10 Sossity You're A Woman.aif

DR13 -0.10 dB -14.95 dB 11 Singing All Day.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.07 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.63 dB 13 17.aif

DR11 -0.05 dB -13.19 dB 14 Teacher (UK).aif

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.96 dB 15 Teacher (US).aif

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR11

 

Thanks a lot. So, it seems that 2015 Aqualung remix could be a winner with the best DR values. Now, what is the provenance of this remix stays interesting to me.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Your numbers for the Benefit DVD do not match mine. Mine are identical to yours for the current HDTracks release. Can you double check your source for the Benefit numbers you posted (the 5.1 version or a 5.1 downmix perhaps?)

 

Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2013 DVD-A)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR13 -2.78 dB -18.55 dB 01 With You There To Help Me.aiff

DR12 -4.34 dB -18.75 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aiff

DR12 -2.99 dB -18.70 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aiff

DR13 -3.01 dB -17.89 dB 04 Son.aiff

DR12 -4.15 dB -19.88 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey and Me.aiff

DR12 -3.67 dB -17.38 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aiff

DR13 -3.60 dB -18.28 dB 07 A TIme For Everything_.aiff

DR14 -2.97 dB -19.48 dB 08 Inside.aiff

DR13 -3.15 dB -18.88 dB 09 Play In Time.aiff

DR13 -8.30 dB -23.54 dB 10 Sossity; You_re A Woman.aiff

DR13 -6.22 dB -21.10 dB 11 Singing All Day.aiff

DR13 -2.10 dB -17.24 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aiff

DR13 -4.68 dB -19.24 dB 13 17.aiff

DR12 -2.79 dB -17.89 dB 14 Teacher (UK single version).aiff

DR13 -3.24 dB -18.24 dB 15 Teacher (US album version).aiff

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR13

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Jethro Tull/Benefit (S. Wilson remix_2015 HDTracks)

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DR Peak RMS Filename

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DR10 -0.05 dB -12.98 dB 01 With You There to Help Me.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.30 dB 02 Nothing To Say.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.73 dB 03 Alive And Well And Living In.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -13.04 dB 04 Son.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -15.19 dB 05 For Michael Collins, Jeffrey And Me.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.13 dB 06 To Cry You A Song.aif

DR11 -0.10 dB -12.87 dB 07 A Time For Everything.aif

DR12 -0.10 dB -14.32 dB 08 Inside.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.90 dB 09 Play In Time.aif

DR13 -2.27 dB -17.39 dB 10 Sossity You're A Woman.aif

DR13 -0.10 dB -14.95 dB 11 Singing All Day.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -12.07 dB 12 Sweet Dream.aif

DR10 -0.10 dB -11.63 dB 13 17.aif

DR11 -0.05 dB -13.19 dB 14 Teacher (UK).aif

DR11 -0.07 dB -12.96 dB 15 Teacher (US).aif

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Number of files: 15

Official DR value: DR11

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Your numbers for the Benefit DVD do not match mine. Mine are identical to yours for the current HDTracks release. Can you double check your source for the Benefit numbers you posted (the 5.1 version or a 5.1 downmix perhaps?)

Indeed, my numbers for the 2013 DVD-A Stereo remix of Benefit do match the numbers for the HDTrack release. Average album DR is 11 (per track, in album order: 10-11-10-11-12-10-11-12-10-13 according to foo_dynamic_range 1.1.1 w/ Foobar 1.3.8).

 

@mkrzych: About the 2015 Remaster of Aqualung by S. Wilson: you made me bite, I got it. The 2011 Bluray was good, but I felt like something was missing, or off, dunno. Issues corrected with this 2015 release: outstanding! Simply the best sounding mix/master of this album for me, by a clear margin. Thank you for the tip! :-)

 

 

 

 

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Just purchased and downloaded both from Pono (less than HDT even with 15% off the latter).

 

First notes of Aqualung and immediately evident it's the best version (have the 40th Anniversary Wilson mix CD). There's a cackle after "eyeing little girls with bad intent" I'd never even noticed before in 40+ years of listening that was absolutely clear....

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@mkrzych: About the 2015 Remaster of Aqualung by S. Wilson: you made me bite, I got it. The 2011 Bluray was good, but I felt like something was missing, or off, dunno. Issues corrected with this 2015 release: outstanding! Simply the best sounding mix/master of this album for me, by a clear margin. Thank you for the tip! :-)

 

Your welcome, enjoy. I remember in the past that together with my buddy, we'd like to buy the whole anniversary box with book, vinyls etc. just for this remix. Now it's MUCH cheaper and instantly available.

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Krzysztof Maj

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"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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I remember in the past that together with my buddy, we'd like to buy the whole anniversary box with book, vinyls etc. just for this remix. Now it's MUCH cheaper and instantly available.
And, HDtracks mastering sounds better than that in 2011 edition. In my system the difference is significant.
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