Musicophile Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well, for millennia, musicians lived from their performances. Then came recordings. Now, music is reverting to a model where the money comes, again, from performing live. A short-lived parenthesis closes; that's all. Isn't that a bit over simplified, Boris? Actually, until the 19th century, most musicians had a job one way or another financed by nobility, usually your local King/Duke/Emperor or whatever. Do you want to go to that period? Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
crenca Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Isn't that a bit over simplified, Boris? Actually, until the 19th century, most musicians had a job one way or another financed by nobility, usually your local King/Duke/Emperor or whatever. Do you want to go to that period? It may be simplified, but his central point remains I think - that making a living off of selling recordings was a recent phenomenon that had a beginning and apparently, for many if not most musicians, an end (at least for now). I actually think that streaming is the new radio, and that musicians will eventually get paid in a more complete way (it might take unions/associations/organization). I think the internet will allow people to find musicians and music again, and money will be spent. It's worked on me . Hey MQA, if it is not all $voodoo$, show us the math! Link to comment
Boris75 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Isn't that a bit over simplified, Boris? Actually, until the 19th century, most musicians had a job one way or another financed by nobility, usually your local King/Duke/Emperor or whatever. I very much agree. Now, for notated music, the same more or less holds, after replacing King/Duke/Emperor with Corporate Sponsor/Culture Ministry. Do you want to go to that period? I think that we are reverting to this model. Given that I don't have much influence over this outcome, I haven't really thought very deeply about whether I should want it or not:) Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 It may be simplified, but his central point remains I think - that making a living off of selling recordings was a recent phenomenon that had a beginning and apparently, for many if not most musicians, an end (at least for now). I actually think that streaming is the new radio, and that musicians will eventually get paid in a more complete way (it might take unions/associations/organization). I think the internet will allow people to find musicians and music again, and money will be spent. It's worked on me . I hope your right. The quality of new music has suffered badly in recent times. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Musicophile Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The quality of new music has suffered badly in recent times. Actually not in classical music and Jazz. But to be fair, classical orchestras are nearly always subsidized and Jazz never sold tons of records even in the best days, so these guys are used to making a living on the road. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
oso Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Actually not in classical music and Jazz. But to be fair, classical orchestras are nearly always subsidized and Jazz never sold tons of records even in the best days, so these guys are used to making a living on the road. But the venues are also disappearing. I believe that it has never been so difficult for musicians. Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Actually not in classical music and Jazz. But to be fair, classical orchestras are nearly always subsidized and Jazz never sold tons of records even in the best days, so these guys are used to making a living on the road. But the venues are also disappearing. I believe that it has never been so difficult for musicians. Don't know the first thing about Classical, only have a dozen or so albums I bought over the last 40 years cause they were audiophile specials I wanted to hear on my system. Popular doesn't much run into the venue issues but otherwise I think we all suffer from the same ills. Horridly mastered recordings, artists finding it very difficult to make any money with their art or getting paid at all. One style of today's popular music makes its recordings by leaching much of their product off those who have gone before, (they call it sampling) with absolutely no respect for intellectual property, BLAH. A SAD state of affairs. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
PAP Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 That is why we should keep supporting the small labels, Blue Coast, Sound Liaison, Reference Recordings etc and not Sportify and Itunes. I read this on the AVS forum I read an interview with Sound Liaison founder Frans de Rond, that Sound Liaison split any profits they make 50/50 with the musicians, that I find remarkable after having read many a biography of the jazz greats and how they got i.e. 50$ for a recording session(Bill Evans), that later has proven of historical and great financial value. Audiophile music suggestions? - Page 4 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews Link to comment
freddie40 Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I am a big fan of Quiles and Cloud and they have a new release on the Blue Coast Records label, Special Event 39: Newport. Recorded in a small hotel room, the background noise in extremely quiet and Cookie Marenco has done a wonderful job capturing their magic of music. If you have never heard any of their music I highly recommend their music. Maria Quiles and Rory Cloud put on a great show for the hand full of people squeezed into a little room at the Hotel Irvine. It may sound silly to think one can get a great performance and recording in a hotel room, but there was something magical happening this recording day. With the full dynamic range left in, the voices and guitars sounded stunning. You'll hear the creaks and cracks of the instrument, natural noise floor of the room (although amazingly quiet) and even an accidental cell phone go off (fortunately in tune and barely noticeable). The small audience of manufacturers and special guests were in awe of these two performers as were we. There are new songs and old favorites on this recording. Check out Ring That Bell.. a Bob Dylan classic song... or Tom Waits Come On Up to the House to hear new arrangements of now classic songs from Americana history. Both graceful and honest; music that reflects upon the vast and uncharted landscape of existence with heart and humble sensitivity. Poetry and emotion carried soft as feathers on a wind-like current of acoustic sound. Find the album here, or go to Blue Coast Records to find all of Quiles and Clouds Music. Dave Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
BRLowry Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I've been enjoying Blue Coast Music recordings for about a year. I'm a fan of jazz trios, and have found this album by Aaron Diehl to be an excellent jazz recording. http://mackavenue.downloadsnow.net/bespoke Link to comment
oso Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Great piano jazz.. thanks for posting and welcome to the forum. I really like the music, sound wise I miss placement in the stereo field, but that just me, the music is well worth the investment, great musicians and arrangements. Link to comment
oso Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Very Very impressive album but ''Impromptu'' still gets my vote so far. Found this on youtube (Video 2) from the Impromptu concert. It is probably the sound check of the concert. Compare the sound of a camera-microphone and a real professional recording set up...(video 1) What a difference....!!!! video 1: [video=youtube;UA3UOWPg3-k] video 2: Link to comment
BRLowry Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I liked Impromptu so much I bought it yesterday. Thanks. I found this Nils Frahm album today on YouTube. He's playing the world's largest piano. The bass notes are great. I ended up buying it on HDTracks. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgnub8E04H7_XLzefWF_0KG-GORLbjvPX Link to comment
audioadam Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I am a big fan of Quiles and Cloud and they have a new release on the Blue Coast Records label, Special Event 39: Newport. Recorded in a small hotel room, the background noise in extremely quiet and Cookie Marenco has done a wonderful job capturing their magic of music. If you have never heard any of their music I highly recommend their music. [ATTACH=CONFIG]22056[/ATTACH] Maria Quiles and Rory Cloud put on a great show for the hand full of people squeezed into a little room at the Hotel Irvine. It may sound silly to think one can get a great performance and recording in a hotel room, but there was something magical happening this recording day. With the full dynamic range left in, the voices and guitars sounded stunning. You'll hear the creaks and cracks of the instrument, natural noise floor of the room (although amazingly quiet) and even an accidental cell phone go off (fortunately in tune and barely noticeable). The small audience of manufacturers and special guests were in awe of these two performers as were we. There are new songs and old favorites on this recording. Check out Ring That Bell.. a Bob Dylan classic song... or Tom Waits Come On Up to the House to hear new arrangements of now classic songs from Americana history. Both graceful and honest; music that reflects upon the vast and uncharted landscape of existence with heart and humble sensitivity. Poetry and emotion carried soft as feathers on a wind-like current of acoustic sound. Find the album here, or go to Blue Coast Records to find all of Quiles and Clouds Music. Dave Well, I can't get enough acoustic guitar... I am really digging the music these two deliver on this album. Can I ask you what resolution you downloaded? I can take advantage of the DSD256 format with my setup(iFi micro-iDSD with Shure SE 846), but I can honestly say I've never spent $60 on 11 digital tracks before. In your experience is it worth the extra $20 for the highest-res format? Link to comment
freddie40 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Well, I can't get enough acoustic guitar... I am really digging the music these two deliver on this album. Can I ask you what resolution you downloaded? I can take advantage of the DSD256 format with my setup(iFi micro-iDSD with Shure SE 846), but I can honestly say I've never spent $60 on 11 digital tracks before. In your experience is it worth the extra $20 for the highest-res format? I bought the DSD64, and yes it was worth it. Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 22 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable Link to comment
oso Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I liked Impromptu so much I bought it yesterday. Thanks. my pleasure Link to comment
oso Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I can take advantage of the DSD256 format with my setup(iFi micro-iDSD with Shure SE 846),? Hi audioadam, Those Shure SE's, those are in ears for the price of a Sennheiser HD800? Are they also that good? Link to comment
PAP Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hi audioadam,Those Shure SE's, those are in ears for the price of a Sennheiser HD800? Are they also that good? [ATTACH=CONFIG]22428[/ATTACH][/quote ] so expensive!!!!? Link to comment
PAP Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Found this on youtube (Video 2) from the Impromptu concert. It is probably the sound check of the concert. Compare the sound of a camera-microphone and a real professional recording set up...(video 1) What a difference....!!!! video 1: [video=youtube;UA3UOWPg3-k] video 2: Long live good engineering! This is actually a good way to show people why good equipment sounds better. I will let my mother hear it ! Now maybe she will understand. ( She is 86 but her ears are still working fine.) Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Don Henley - Cass County The best thing he's done with or without the Eagles since the early 70s. Every tunes a killer with totally relevant lyrics for todays world. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
naish123 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Great album from Don Henley! Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk Link to comment
oso Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Found this on youtube (Video 2) from the Impromptu concert. It is probably the sound check of the concert. Compare the sound of a camera-microphone and a real professional recording set up...(video 1) What a difference....!!!! video 1: [video=youtube;UA3UOWPg3-k] video 2: Long live good engineering!This is actually a good way to show people why good equipment sounds better. I will let my mother hear it ! Now maybe she will understand. ( She is 86 but her ears are still working fine.) And all those terrible iphone recordings that people are posting on the net, not representing the actual sound at all...poor musicians. Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 James Taylor - Before This World Recorded in the main at 24/96 "This hi-res version of Before This World was mastered especially for audiophiles with less peak limiting for a much greater dynamic range than the CD version. Album details - Dynamic Range Database With an average of DR10 min9 max12. So much better than Jeff Lynne's - Alone in the Universe with a DR7 5/8 Album details - Dynamic Range Database This was a true disappointment from Jeff, I had much higher respect for him as a producer. Be sure to watch the below video by Jame's producer Dave O'Donnell "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
PAP Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Hi Sal Nice series of interviews, thanks! Don Was is interesting too; Link to comment
oso Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 James Taylor - Before This World Recorded in the main at 24/96 "This hi-res version of Before This World was mastered especially for audiophiles with less peak limiting for a much greater dynamic range than the CD version. Album details - Dynamic Range Database With an average of DR10 min9 max12. So much better than Jeff Lynne's - Alone in the Universe with a DR7 5/8 Album details - Dynamic Range Database This was a true disappointment from Jeff, I had much higher respect for him as a producer. Be sure to watch the below video by Jame's producer Dave O'Donnell I love the James Taylor album but I do think that the dynamic range could have better even in the 24/96 version. But I repeat; I love the album and James Taylor. Link to comment
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