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    Streaming & Local Content Through HQPlayer - A Nice Alternative With The sonicTransporter

     

     

    Many of us have enjoyed HQPlayer's digital signal processing over the years, but have been less than satisfied with the remote control options. Fairly recent remote options named HQPDcontrol v4 and HQPWV (HQPlayer Web Viewer) have made and continue to make great strides. I use both of these options frequently and love to see the developers interacting with the Audiophile Style community to make each product even better. Perhaps some day they'll charge for their apps, and we can all show our appreciation by throwing some money their way. 

     

    Audiophiles who only play local content from a hard drive can certainly use the aforementioned apps and call it a day. HQPlayer will scan their libraries and the remote apps will enable really nice library browsing and song selection. However, many of us also stream from Qobuz and Tidal. To date, there is no way to add a streaming service to HQPlayer or one of the remote applications. What's an audiophile to do? The answer lies in a combination of UPnP/DLNA and HQPLayer Embedded.

     

    Note: Some people will undoubtedly suggest, "just use Roon." Well, that's one option but it presumes that everyone wants to use Roon. That's an incorrect presumption, as no single product offers a solution for every listener. 

     


    Options

     

    There are many ways to accomplish almost everything in HiFi. I tried several potential solutions when researching this article and settled on one that is the easiest, offers support for any issues that may arise, and is a solution I'd actually use every day. I'll attempt to detail both the recommended solution and some of the stuff I tried over the last several weeks. This will enable readers to make their own decisions and understand why I recommend what I recommend and if they wish to tackle some of the hands-on issues with the other solutions. 

     

    Goals

    1. Streaming content from Qobuz, Tidal, and local files from NAS or hard drive through HQPlayer. 
    2. A nice looking and very usable interface for remote control.
    3. Simplicity in setup and daily use. 

     


    Recommended Solution

     

    Playing local content through HQPlayer is a simple task, but to route Qobuz and Tidal through HQP requires a little different setup. Trust me it's very easy and doesn't require jumping though unsupported hoops. The first requirement is using HQPlayer embedded because it can receive audio via UPnP/DLNA as an input. HQPlayer Desktop doesn't have this option and will not work. In order to send audio via UPnP/DLNA to HQPlayer Embedded we need a UPnP/DLNA server and a UPnP/DLNA control point. 

     

    The Small Green Computer sonicTransporter is my recommended solution because it accomplishes the above goals by combining both HQPlayer Embedded and MinimServer as the UPnP/DLNA server into a single component. Rounding out my recommendations is the forthcoming UPnP/DLNA control point application JPLAY for iOS. 

     

    The SGC sonicTransporter starts at $999 and gets reasonably more expensive as one increases processing horsepower, network isolation, and solid state storage. The specific version I used for this article is the $3,499 sonicTransporter i9 Optical with a 4TB SSD. When the Transporter arrived I and installed HQPlayer Embedded and MinimServer with a couple clicks of the mouse. Both are options, among several others, accessed via the web interface. I also copied a few terabytes of music to the internal Transporter SSD, then proceeded to setup HQPlayer and direct MinimServer to the local SSD to scan the music. 

     

     

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    Outputting audio to my DAC was done two different ways. I connected a USB DAC directly to the USB output of the Transporter as a test, to make sure it worked for those who wish to go this route. It worked perfectly. Most of my testing was done using the Sonore signatureRendu SE optical as an HQPlayer NAA endpoint. I connected both the Rendu and Transporter to my network switch via fiber optic cables. I'm not a fan of connecting the Rendu directly to the Transporter via fiber cable because of potential multi-homed network issues, but I know many audiophiles who set it up via direct connection and love it. No judgement here, I just prefer one way over the other. 

     

    Other than the standard HQPlayer setup, selecting filters and an output device, nothing needs to be done with respect to selecting an input. HQPlayer Embedded automatically advertises itself as a UPnP/DLNA renderer and accepts audio via UPnP/DLNA whenever it's sent. The only thing to do once HQPe and MinimServer are setup is to select a UPnP/DLNA control point. 

     

    JPLAY for iOS is easily the best control point app I've used to date. JPLAY for iOS combines Qobuz, Tidal, and local content in a single interface in addition to offering excellent features such as album info and artist bios, links within the app to other content from each artist, record label filters (think displaying only ECM content etc...), among many others I've yet to discover on my own. Searching each streaming service and local content can be done individually or combined into a single search. The user interface is beautiful and very easy to use. One of the extremely audiophile features in this app is the ability to adjust what's called polling time. This can be set to a maximum level, so once albums/tracks are selected for playback, the app is completely silent. It doesn't send any network traffic to the server or renderer. 

     

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    This combination of HQPlayer Embedded & MinimServer on the sonicTransporter and JPLAY for iOS on my iPad Pro is fantastic. There are certainly some issues to be worked out in the JPLAY control point app, but it's still in closed beta. Using the JPLAY app on iOS to send audio to other renderers in my system was flawless. For example, I set an opticalRendu into DLNA mode and used the same MinimServer install on the sonicTransporter with great success. I think the little issues revolve around HQPlayer Embedded's use of Rygel as the UPnP/DLNA rendering software and its interaction with the JPLAY for iOS app. 

     

    As a temporary solution, until JPLAY for iOS is released, listeners can use the mconnect app as a control point. I don't wish this on my worst enemy, but many people use it and are OK with it. Some people use one of the HQP apps such as HQPDcontrol v4 or HQPWV for local content, then switch to mconnect for streaming audio only. This is an option, but it seems so primitive. Like something we'd do in 1998 :~)

     


    Possible Showstopper

     

    One issue that may be a showstopper for people is inconsistency of gapless playback. No matter what people say about gapless playback and the control point being what determines whether or not gapless audio works, my research definitively indicates gapless playback depends on the interaction between the control point, server, and renderer. All three matter. This gapless issue isn't unfixable though. Simon from MinimServer asked me to send him some logs because he has an idea about hat may be causing this issue. Hopefully this can be resolved. 

     


    Bits and Bytes I Tried

     

    The gapless issue mentioned above is what caused me the most headaches. Not because I listen to a ton of music that requires gapless playback, but because I wanted to find a solution to the issue. Here are some of the solutions I tried and what I found. 

     

    I installed Ubuntu 20.04 on my CAPS Twenty computer, then installed HQPlayer Embedded and MinimSever manually. This enabled me to connect to the server and test many things via command line. No matter what I did, I couldn't get gapless working with HQPe and MinimServer on this install either. I also put HQP OS on this machine and Minim on my NAS, but the results were the same. 

     

    One benefit of running Ubuntu 20.04, with a manual install of the apps, is that I could install the NVIDIA drivers for CUDA offload within HQP. 

     

    On my Ubuntu 20.04 installation I also tried Asset UPnP and MiniDLNA as UPnP/DLNA servers. I couldn't connect to Asset via the JPLAY iOS app, but was able to get with mconnect. Gapless didn't work with Asset and HQPe whether on the same machine or split with Asset running on my NAS. Surprisingly, MiniDLNA worked every time. Yes gapless audio from MiniDLNA (version 1.3 with DSD enabled), sending the audio to HQPe and JPLAY as the control point worked great. However, MiniDLNA server was terrible on all other respects such as speed, album art, search, etc... I suggest this solution only to the most hardcore gapless fans. 

     

    Another interesting solution was using the built-in QNAP DLNA server. This surprised me even more than MiniDLNA because it was also gapless. Using JPLAY on iOS to select audio on my QNAP NAS running the built-in Multimedia Console and streaming add-on, and sending it to HQPe, worked every time. Unfortunately, I don't even recommend this as a solution for gapless freaks. The usability with any control app I tried was horrific. 

     

    Attempting to outsmart myself, I installed BubbleUPnP on the sonicTransporter (it's one of the easily installable options), because Bubble makes a UPnP/DLNA renderer into an OpenHome renderer. I thought this may be the solution to my gapless issue and be an awesome all-in-one (HQPe, MinimSever, BubbleUPnP all on the sonicTransporter). Nope. No gapless in this configuration either. One nice part about this was that I could test the Lumin and Linn Kazoo apps for control, but neither of them gave me gapless either. 

     


    Wrap Up

    Running both streaming and local content through HQPlayer using UPnP/DNA as an alternative to Roon is definitely doable. I've been doing it for weeks and really like it. The easiest and best way to do this for most audiophiles is to use a Small Green Computer sonicTransporter. The Transporter can house both MinimServer and HQPlayer Embedded on a single box, and SGC can provide support if people run into issues along the way. I've known SCG's founder Andrew Gillis for many years and can attest to his knowledge, skills, and customer service. He knows what he is doing and works hard to make sure his customers are satisfied. 

     

    I'll send back the sonicTransporter i9 Optical in the next day or so because the last thing I need around here is another server. If I didn't have CAPS Twenty, I'd buy the transporter in a heartbeat. The i9 ran HQPlayer upsampling to DSD256 using poly sync short MP filters, the ASDM7EC modulator, and 65,000 tap convolution filters without a hiccup. This little machine is much more powerful than it appears and it looks much better in person than in photos. 

     

    Given that I have CPS Twenty, I am running HQP OS on the NVMe drive, MinimServer 2 on my QNAP NAS, and the JPLAY iOS control point on my iPad Pro. This is a slick solution. I can update HQP OS by booting from the other NVMe into Windows, and using Balena Etcher to write the latest version of HQP OS to the HQP OS NVMe drive. Then I reboot and I'm all good. 

     

    I highly recommend the sonicTransporter for everyone who has no interest in installing an operating system or writing an image to a USB/SSD drive.  The transporter is just so simple and works so well. It's a no-brainer. 


     

     

     

    More info:

    sonicTransporter

    HQPlayer

    MinimServer

    JPLAY

     

     

     




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    On 10/25/2021 at 8:25 PM, Miska said:

     

    That is strange, sounds like there is something happening on the path, at the media server side maybe?

     

    You could also try setting HQPLAYER_STREAM_FREEWHEEL=1 which will fetch the entire track as quickly as possible. Not great if you are on a limited internet connection, but in local network should be less of an issue, if the network supports QoS properly. Otherwise it may cause drop-outs on NAA.

     

    Just tried setting both

    HQPLAYER_RESET_SDM=0

    HQPLAYER_STREAM_FREEWHEEL=1

    but nothing changes, the very long delay between tracks is still there.

    Cannot figure what could be happening on the server side …

    I can only say that playing DSD from Minimserver, without any transcoding, to the same endpoint (raspberry/RoPieee XL) with UPNP/DLNA enabled works without issues

     

    Setup used:

    Lumin app - Minimserver - Bubbleupnpserver - HQPlayerd - NAA/raspberry pi4/RoPieee XL

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    @Miska … with those variables set a few clicks and pops are heard when playing PCM -> SDM files

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    On 10/25/2021 at 8:25 PM, Miska said:

    sounds like there is something happening on the path, at the media server side maybe?

    … I looked deeper in my network configuration … I realized the HQPe computer was connected to a 100Mbps branch, moved it to a 1Gbps branch and everything works without any environment variable set !!!

    … it seems the issue is now solved, give me some more time to do more in-depth tests but I think everything is working now

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    @Miska few clicks, almost imperceptible, were audible playing DSD in bit perfect mode

    Setting the variable HQPLAYER_RESET_SDM=0 they are gone and this doesn’t affect PCM -> SDM that is still perfect.

     

    …. Lesson learned : everything on a 1Gbps network and variable set …

     

    thank you Jussi

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    6 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

    … I looked deeper in my network configuration … I realized the HQPe computer was connected to a 100Mbps branch, moved it to a 1Gbps branch and everything works without any environment variable set !!!

    … it seems the issue is now solved, give me some more time to do more in-depth tests but I think everything is working now

    It wasn't long ago when a certain member of this community, now banned for egregious behavior, was saying that 100 Mbps was all you need and nobody could change his mind. 

     

    Happy to hear it's working for you at 1 Gbps. 

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    Just now, stefano_mbp said:

    @Miska … and finally … I am happy to tell you that you have a new satisfied customer ... 👍

    Can you share your final configuration?

     

    PC > Network > NAA > etc... just so we know how you're doing it and people can duplicate this is they want to make sure they have something that works.

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    Did something in 4.28 break DLNA?  I used to be able to steam from JRiver just fine, but haven’t been able to do so for a few weeks.  (Also failed to stream to HQPe when testing with Volumio and LMS DLNA plug-in.). Audirvana and MinimServer do stream to HQPe (and Roon, of course), but it’s JRiver that I really want to get back in shape, so that I don’t haven’t told scan in multiple local libraries.
     

    After numerous reboots of network, devices, and software, continued DLNA server to DLNA renderer success, and no other changes in the system, I am running out of troubleshooting options.  If any of you still can use JRiver to stream to HQPe, it would be great to know that.

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    20 hours ago, Mike Rubin said:

    Did something in 4.28 break DLNA?  I used to be able to steam from JRiver just fine, but haven’t been able to do so for a few weeks.  (Also failed to stream to HQPe when testing with Volumio and LMS DLNA plug-in.). Audirvana and MinimServer do stream to HQPe (and Roon, of course), but it’s JRiver that I really want to get back in shape, so that I don’t haven’t told scan in multiple local libraries.
     

    After numerous reboots of network, devices, and software, continued DLNA server to DLNA renderer success, and no other changes in the system, I am running out of troubleshooting options.  If any of you still can use JRiver to stream to HQPe, it would be great to know that.

    Yes, HQPe 28 broke JRiver connectivity.
     

    I just reverted to 4.27.2.  It works just as before, with the same JRiver settings as I used to use.

     

    I imagine there aren’t enough JRiver + HQPe users to make a difference because I seem to be the only one on AS complaining about this, but I am satisfied that it’s an HQPe issue, not a JRiver one or a problem with my setup or network.

     

    @Miska, if you think it worth your while, I would love to see a fix. I am content to use 4.27.2, but there won’t be an update path for me if later versions won’t allow streaming from JRiver, Volumio, and LMS DLNA plug-in.

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    16 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

    @The Computer Audiophile @Marcin_gps

    last Sept, 21th “…. Rounding out my recommendations is the forthcoming UPnP/DLNA control point application JPLAY for iOS
    Is there any news about it?

     

    Hi Stefano, 

     

    We have a small delay. The launch is planned for January

     

    Regards,

    Marcin

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    Thanks for the update @Marcin_gps. Do you already have an idea on pricing for your new app? Happy holidays!

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    On 12/21/2021 at 8:58 AM, Mike Rubin said:

     

    Yes, HQPe 28 broke JRiver connectivity.
     

    I just reverted to 4.27.2.  It works just as before, with the same JRiver settings as I used to use.

     

    I imagine there aren’t enough JRiver + HQPe users to make a difference because I seem to be the only one on AS complaining about this, but I am satisfied that it’s an HQPe issue, not a JRiver one or a problem with my setup or network.

     

    @Miska, if you think it worth your while, I would love to see a fix. I am content to use 4.27.2, but there won’t be an update path for me if later versions won’t allow streaming from JRiver, Volumio, and LMS DLNA plug-in.

    4.28.2 appears to fix these server issues.  I once again am streaming from JRiver successfully.  Thanks, @Miska, for fixing this so quickly.

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    On 23. 12. 2021 at 11:09, Marcin_gps said:

     

    Ahoj Stefano, 

     

    Máme malé zpoždění. Spuštění je plánováno na leden

     

    Pozdravy,

    Marcin

    What will be date of this app?

     

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    I know and accept one cannot speedup software devolpment just like that, but you have a tremendous opportunity coming up, unfortunately with a (very) limited timeslot.

     

    Roon is going to release version 2.0, and all signs are indicating it will be Roon Mobile.

    Already today there is no support anymore related to solving bugs in their software.

    Based on my experience this will become BIG mess at/with Roon.

    I will postpone Roon updates as long as I can, whilst looking for an alternative that responds to my needs.

    And I think I am/will be not the only one.

     

    If you are really close I feel it is time you start promoting/selling your solution.

    There are customers waiting for you. Now is the time!!!

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    On 9/13/2022 at 8:35 PM, Apollo said:

    I know and accept one cannot speedup software devolpment just like that, but you have a tremendous opportunity coming up, unfortunately with a (very) limited timeslot.

     

    Roon is going to release version 2.0, and all signs are indicating it will be Roon Mobile.

    Already today there is no support anymore related to solving bugs in their software.

    Based on my experience this will become BIG mess at/with Roon.

    I will postpone Roon updates as long as I can, whilst looking for an alternative that responds to my needs.

    And I think I am/will be not the only one.

     

    If you are really close I feel it is time you start promoting/selling your solution.

    There are customers waiting for you. Now is the time!!!

     

    Thank you for your words. This is much appreciated and encouraging.

     

    The app is ready. It is even translated to Japanese. We just need to get approval from Qobuz and sth that seemed trivial turned out to be a massive headache. But It has to be done. 

     

    Please note that the app will be available for iOS (and Apple M CPUs equipped Macs) exclusively. 

     

    Best regards,
    Marcin
     

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    43 minutes ago, Marcin_gps said:

     

    Thank you for your words. This is much appreciated and encouraging.

     

    The app is ready. It is even translated to Japanese. We just need to get approval from Qobuz and sth that seemed trivial turned out to be a massive headache. But It has to be done. 

     

    Please note that the app will be available for iOS (and Apple M CPUs equipped Macs) exclusively. 

     

    Best regards,
    Marcin
     

     

    Anything we can do here at the forum, or as a Qobuz user (in Europe in my case) to support your challenge?

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    I'm afraid this one has to be sorted internally. Thank you for the offer though. 

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    Hey, guys!

    I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm facing the same "difficulties" many face when wanting to use the combination of HQPlayer OS/Embedded WITH local library and control point via Android App.

    First of all, I would like to thank
    @The Computer Audiophile for having compiled all this information, which sure does help us when trying to narrow down, or simply understand the choices we have to make.

    I also want to thank
    @stefano_mbp, who I contacted in private on this matter, for all the help he has given me. And @Miska as well, which has also been very kind and patient concerning my doubts.

    And lastly, I would also like to thank everyone else's inputs on this thread, because they made it richer.

    So, just as I wrote in the beginning of the post, my goal is to have:

    A machine running HQPlayer OS as the player - Check
    Local library and Qobuz library being controlled via an Android App - Still not checked

    What I have managed, and haven't managed to do so far...

    I installed BubbleUPnP app on my android phone, and being registered on the same network as the HQPlayer OS, only with the HQPlayer OS running, I can see it on the BubbleUPnP app and I can choose it as the player, and I can output music to it, being logged in on Qobuz.

    What I haven't managed to do so far...

    I have installed Minimserver on a laptop that also sees HQPlayer OS, and lets me control it via hqplayer.local:8088, but, unfortunately, every time I try to launch Minimserver, it asks me for a path (which I think it's the path for the "local library"), but under the network, I can't find the partition belonging to the "local library" which is on the machine that has the HQPlayer OS installed.

    But this partition can be found easily via hqplayer.local:8088 and played via HQPlayer client, or even from the hqplayer.local:8088 library tab.

    As don't have a valid path to indicate to Minimserver, it stays red, instead of green, and this way it never shows on BubbleUPnP, or, at least, I don't seem to be able to find it.

    It is my understanding, after Stefano's kind explanation, one must have the Minimserver in order to be able to play the local library, so, for that, I will always need a second machine, or a NAS.

    So, this being true - having the need for a second machine - I wanted to know what are your takes on the local library's placement:

    - Leave it in the HQPlayer OS machine
    - Leave it in the second machine that will run Minimserver
    - Buy a NAS and install Minimserver and put the library there

    Many thanks in advance for any help you can give me. Hopefully, this will also help others who are facing the same difficulties.

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