UpTone Audio EtherREGEN (Objective Discussion Only)

[mfsoa]

9 hours ago, Seraph said:

Show me the numbers that your device makes [edit]any rig sound better and I'll order your network switch right now.

Really, show us the numbers.

Exactly which measurements have been shown to correlate to the sound quality of ethernet switches? Surely you have this information as you are looking to have specific numerical values inserted so you can determine what the product sounds like.

 

Surely it would help Uptone if you provide them that list, along with target values that you know to provide "bad" "acceptable" or "above average"  so that they know what measurements to be concerned with. 

 

I would also like this information for sneakers...watches...food...women... Is there ANY other freaking hobby in the world where looking at numbers on a page is seen as an adequate substitute for actually USING (listening) to the device under test? 

 

I'll give you numbers but first you have to listen to the unit in question. Now I give you the numbers 11 and 0.004. Has the sound of the unit changed? No? You mean having numbers made no difference to the sound of the unit?

 

Why do we need others to tell us our stereo sounds good?

 

 

 

 

[mfsoa]

Seraph,

 

You (anyone, actually) should definitely not buy this unit unless you either:

a) Trust that the manufacturer builds a device that improves sound quality to an extent that is worth your $:

 

I'm not sure what information a vendor could possibly offer to satisfy this requirement. Uptone sure doesn't expect your trust, they expect you to evaluate the product and will take it back if you are not pleased. Blaming a vendor for that, I just don't get...Vendor-provided DBT results? Measured performance? IMO, relying on objective measures to determine what an individual's subjective response to a product will be, when no such correlation exists, is not the path toward good sound. It is the path toward showing test numbers to your friends if that's why you are interested in this hobby.

 

b) Evaluate the unit in your home and see if it worth your $:

 

In this case you try the unit and see if it works to your satisfaction. If it does not, you send it back. I do not see where this technique has lost it's value in putting a satisfying system together.

 

To say that approach a) where the device is not used but the sound quality is somehow known from extrapolating from test numbers that have not been shown to correlate to sound quality is more objective than approach b), where the only intent of the device ("improve sound quality") is evaluated by the only measurement system that can register this information (YOUR ear/brain system)...well, I just don't get it. To put it mildly.

 

 

 

 

[mfsoa]

2 hours ago, Seraph said:

My opinion being the device does nothing whatsoever for sound quality based on test results done.

Thank you. This is exactly what I have been saying.

 

Based on test results alone, you cannot tell if ANY device does anything whatsoever for sound quality.

 

 

[mfsoa]

12 hours ago, pkane2001 said:

We can talk about what "sounds better" after we have at least some objective evidence that it can sound different.

Why can't we discuss what sounds better after hearing what it sounds like compared to similar devices?

 

If you did this but later learned that the measured results did not support your belief that the unit is supposed to improve sound quality, does the unit now sound worse?

 

If you did this but later learned that the measured results support your belief that the unit is supposed to improve sound quality, does the unit now sound better?

 

Having the number 11 printed on a piece of paper when a competitor unit has the number 7, I just don't see how this information changes what you hear.

 

 

 

 

[mfsoa]

14 hours ago, plissken said:

Do I trust a $28,000 analyzer that's entire pedigree is analog measurement in the human hearing band, or sighted bias?

No one asks for either. We ask you to listen.