Article: Audiophile Style State of the Union

[andrewinukm]

I just can't understand: how hard is it to simply respect another person and have some common courtesy in a hobby meant for enjoyment?

I've never seen a car enthusiast that goes demanding for DBT or measurements when someone claims that a car "handles better". 

If a person doesn't have measurements, he is not the enemy. I repeat, HE IS NOT THE ENEMY. He is just another consumer, just like you and I and anyone here. If one insists on measurements, then send him test equipment.

 

John Doe wants absolute high fidelity. His audio has to measure exceptional, using the ideal scientific methodology. Listening tests have to be DBT. If he sees another person talking about subjective observations, he is curious and tries to ask and find out more, understand the limitations and the possible data he can extract from it. John then also tries to repeat the test and measures them to find correlation.

 

Jack Smith also wants high fidelity but also looking for other things that sounds good TO HIM as well (sound stage, tube bloom, airiness, and other subjective parameters etc). Jack understands the science behind audio, but if scientific data are not available it's no big deal. He likes to try tweaks and expensive cables that he can afford. He will do his own listening and determine what he likes and share this information for others to determine for themselves. If challenged to provide measurements for his observations, he politely welcomes any measurements to find the correlation of what he hears with scientific data.

 

John and Jack are also best buddies, respects each others, and does not try to be snarky or sarcastic to each other. They understand the other person's preferences and point of view, and agree to disagree without ill will or anger. They do not try to "school" each other claiming that they know it all and that the other person "needs to be saved" or "some things are unmeasurable". They can laugh at themselves and laugh together.

 

John and Jack do not exist. A**holes do.

[andrewinukm]

@The Computer Audiophile

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No_Asshole_Rule

 

Maybe the best way to state clearly is The No A**h*** Rule, regardless of objectivist or subjectivist.

If a person is being rude, snarky, trolling, and generally irritating to others in a thread, they eat the ban hammer.

 

Maybe we should come up with some kind of social scoring for members: members with too many posts reported would have their avatars changed to a troll image and have a red flashing warning sign above all their posts.

 

2 hours ago, pkane2001 said:

 

I was just looking for an answer, since this is your site and your announced policy change. Gray it is, then.

No. It is not gray. It just means DON'T BE AN A**H*** to another member and stop irritating others even if their opinions are very different from yours and might not be proven. A baby seal didn't die every time a person posts a subjectivist claim. If a person has to keep pressing what defines being an a**h***, he probably is one.

[andrewinukm]

I urge Chris to implement the "no a**h***" button. Post with too many dislikes/complaints automatically gets hidden and no one is allowed to quote and reply to it, so that everyone is forced to not engage it.

 

And a giant warning sign above the post and avatar. 

 

Whoever is misbehaving will get flagged by the thread participants and the post will be frozen. 

[andrewinukm]

3 hours ago, Ralf11 said:

 

Have you ever been on a sports car forum??  Track times are always mentioned and compared.

Lame as lame can be. Not exactly a person of scientific mind.

I know track times are always mentioned. I would look at track times myself too.

But I wasn't talking about track times, I specifically said "handles better". Noticed how fast you derail the this thread?  

 

And no one becomes as asshole when another person talks about ride handling, or start derailing the discussion.

 

A person can be objectivist and put across scientific facts and data, and still be respectful to others.

 

A true scientist would be curious enough to test and discover for himself instead of being lazy and asking to be fed with measurements. A**h****s often lack this scientific curiosity, but likes to claim to be non-biased and objective minded. Which is a contradiction I find amusing.