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3 hours ago, mansr said:

Do you believe the requirement for a licence to drive a car is also unconstitutional?

 

So, here is an interesting difference between the US and the UK.

 

In the US, the Drivers License (sic) is essentially a domestic passport, complete with photo (and now there are new biometric ones).  You need one to fly domestically as a passenger, it is the de facto ID card, etc.  Police assume you have one and can demand to see it as ID, even if you are walking or on your bike.  

 

In the UK, the populace refuses to allow the government to require photographs on their Drivers Licence, precisely to prevent this sort of abuse.  So in that sense, the British population is much more libertarian.  On the other hand, no one seems to have a problem with TV licences and TV police being able to demand entry into your home without a search warrant to see if you are watching TV without having paid the government.

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It was in Berkeley back when I was a grad student.  I ran a red light and went through a tunnel because I was late for a discussion section I was teaching, and had to hand back exams.  The students all waited very patiently.  I got a big fat ticket (but prevailed on the ID).  

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4 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

 

See. In American politics that definition fits a Conservative, not a liberal. Here the 'L-word' means what I said above. The English language here and in the UK are similar, but not exactly alike. This is one place where the words are the same but the meanings are different.

 To get a better feel for American Liberalism and how it differs from the European meaning of the word, go to Wikipedia:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

 

Not only are the words identical, but the entire history of both Conservatism and Liberalism have their origin in the British system.  This is just profound historical ignorance and an attempt to efface history and re-define terms to fit an alt-right world-view.

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3 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

Here they would never go up. Your country once had NO speed limits. That's the kind of Liberal, freedom loving thinking that I could get behind! :)

 

They are up, everywhere.  Open your eyes.

 

Here's a hint:  The people that put them there do not fit the Anglo-American definition of Liberal or Conservative.  

 

Think about it.

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2 minutes ago, Sal1950 said:

Kind of like today's US Democratic party.

 

You got that one right.

 

With the Super-delagates used to exclude voices like that of Bernie Sauders, 

35 minutes ago, gmgraves said:

Sorry, that makes no sense. See, in politics, platforms change. Over the last half-century the Democratic Party here in the USA has migrated strongly to the left. 

 

Note to mansr:   "Left" here in non-Newspeak means "Right" (or at best, "neo-liberal").

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47 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Bigger changes can be seen in the Republican party since it's domination by social "conservatives" and the religious right.

 

Good job with the quotation, since it is in reality as far from genuine conservatism as is a New-Deal Liberal of old.

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11 minutes ago, esldude said:

It most definitely is in the US. Just ask Bernie Sanders. He's both a US liberal and socialist. His words.

 

He describes himself as a "not very good example" of a Socialist.  But what is remarkable is that after decades of the term "Socialism" being used as a term synonymous with "enemy of the state", "traitor" and "anti-American," the ideas (and even the term itself) resonate with a subset of the electorate to such a degree that the right-wing liberal establishment Democratic party had to use every dirty trick in the Nixon handbook to try to eliminate this "insurgent" threat to their candidate (and in doing so probably alienated enough people to facilitate the election of Agent Orange).

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