AudioDoctor Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Solstice380 said: Think and drink, or off the hook? LOL Started as one, ended as the other... ha Solstice380 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Before this specific IQ question goes further, everyone here has to read The Boy Who Was Raised As A Dog. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 hours ago, beerandmusic said: the real reason high iq''s are declining is because the really smart people are having less and less kids because they know this world is going to crap and don't want to torture future generation....now the dumb people will keep reproducing....lol... even dumb people have smart kids... IQ is based more on survival pressures. It used to be that the most likely to survive passed on their genes. Now we let every dumbass survive their stupidity. Because we are not under pressure from anything to survive, we don't need to evolve to be smarter... edit: You want to get smarter? You want your kids to be smarter? Challenge them, force them to use their brains. I suppose a long term ongoing generational alien invasion would also do it. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Ralf11 said: IQ is not under much selection now - I hope you aren't an MD Isn't that what I said? Audiophile Neuroscience 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 The problem with our IQ tests is they don't test what is evolutionally important to make humans smarter. There is something called IQ, but our current understanding and testing of it does not test for it. For example... humans are distance runners. This was evolutionarily necessitated by the need to tire out our food so we could more easily kill it. If you were unable to kill your food, you died. There is no physical fitness part of our IQ tests. maybe we are becoming a more weighty society because we no longer need that specific ability to acquire food. Things to think about. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, mansr said: That's because physical fitness is by definition not intelligence. It absolutely is. It is also proof of how lacking our understanding of intelligence is as well as being proof of a reason we are not under pressures to become any smarter. Evolutionary pressures are what made us "smart" No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, mansr said: So by your definition, Stephen Hawking was really stupid. lol... Nice try. If not for our modern medical advances he would have died a long time ago... Individually, yes. He owes everything to those who cared for him. You're stuck in our very basic modern understanding of IQ as only brain smarts. Great, 1000 years ago Hawking would have been eaten by a tiger. Not very smart is it. You should stick to arguing about electronics. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, mansr said: A human can't even outrun a house cat, yet only a few cats are able to open a door. Intelligence is, again, by definition distinct from physical strength. Both are, of course, a factor in survivability. Sorry, I'm not that fast a runner. A cheetah may be fast, but not for very long... It certainly can't run 26.2 miles... your thinking is entirely too narrow and small. Summit 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, mansr said: No, but it will eat you within 100 yards. Not very smart of you, is it? That's where your other survival abilities kick in... IQ is more than one thing and it is intelligence gained by enduring severe survivability pressures. Because there are no more survivability pressures on society of that level, we are in fact, becoming dumber. Pointing out one person that has one measure so far above the mean, has no impact on that. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: They supposedly test for a range of things related to smartness. Smartness may or may not prove to be an evolutionary advantage, I would think it is. Smartness is a result of evolutionary pressures, IMO. ie: our ancestors had to adapt and problem solve to survive and meet new challenges as they moved out of Africa. I have seen some argue that an ice age and the pressures to survive in the new climate, as well as the different cold climates further north from Africa as early humans spread out, is the cause of our intelligence and evolution into what we are now. I also think our broad and general societal IQ is falling due to a lack of evolutionary pressures that lead to death. Summit and Teresa 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Ah I see the AudioQuack is at it again ? ? What am I "at" exactly? No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 minute ago, elcorso said: My comment was just an irony, but if I have to choose ... You need to be smart to be happy, although it seems a redundancy. No pain, no gain is cruel ? Roch There is recent research that says the opposite. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: I believe smartness is one factor giving an evolutionary advantage.There are other ways to be "fit" for selection. I am not so sure that societal IQ is falling. Have you got data on this? Arguably there are still evolutionary pressures favoring smartness just not the same ones as centuries ago. It could be argued that smart people don't smoke, and will survive. I dont have any data, but I do have one giant orange dumbass as president to point to as potential proof... 4est, Audiophile Neuroscience, sandyk and 1 other 2 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: complete rubbish Then explain why? No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, elcorso said: The dogs do not die when they chase, for long distances, to their bitches. Those who die by their masters doing jogging commit suicide ? Roch The dog knows when to stop... No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: That is one huge data point right there ? I see what you did there... Audiophile Neuroscience 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 If you can't survive, you can't pass on your genes, therefore, you are not going to be helping to increase the overall intelligence of the species... No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 then you missed my reply pages ago. It costs nothing. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: there is a very useful Primer of population biology written by Wilson & Bossert - it's short; try reading that I dont accept smart ass book recommendations. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: 1st you don't know the terminology - it is selection, and survival is only one aspect of it 2nd, selection is ongoing in humans 3rd as you later said you have no data etc etc Sure. I wish our ancestors had neglected survival and instead focused on testing their IQ on math and reading skills... 2nd, sure. Selection has a much wider pool to pull from because... (see below) 3. Sure, I have no data, but all those pressures and challenges that made us so smart are no longer a factor in the passing on of genes and survivability of humans as a species. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 5 hours ago, mansr said: Yes, because we pretty much suck physically, we had to invent various tools and otherwise outsmart other animals. You seem to be suggesting that Africans are not as smart as others. That's wrong and offensive. Why? Did they not also have selection pressures that forced them to become smarter? Nice try though... Just because I used one example doesn't meant there aren't also others. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Summit said: If a dumbass president was elected in free and fair election, what does it say about the people that vote for him? After all he mainly does what he promised he would do ? I said he was a data point of the dumbing down, ie: lowering IQ, of society as a whole. I would say it says exactly what I wanted it to. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 18 hours ago, mansr said: But they work just fine on GUTB. That received a good laugh. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Summit said: I read Germs, Guns and Steel a few years ago. A very good read for everyone that seek to understand factors that shaped the modern world, by looking back. Me too, that is a hard book to finish, imo. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, daverich4 said: Just curious what any of this Intellectual Masturbation you guys are doing has to do with the topic this thread is supposed to be about? You're new here aren't you? This happens here all the time. The answers you're looking for, if any, are in the first 2-3 pages. IMO it costs nothing to be an audiophile. 4est, daverich4 and Summit 3 No electron left behind. Link to comment
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