Michael Lavorgna strikes back.......

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You knew that was coming.

 

I'll quote him "My answer: I don't know."

 

Finally something him and I can agree on. 

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46 minutes ago, esimms86 said:

fyi, there are no responses posted on his site. I assume that all response have been anti-ML and, thus, deleted by ML. Clearly, no disagreement or dialogue wanted. Of course, if he did own up to what he did and allow any dialogue in this instance, he would almost certainly lose his sponsors along with his gig with Stereophile. Using his Audiostream soapbox he's unafraid to troll CA(from which Chris Connaker makes his living), but he's afraid to risk his own sponsors by allowing posts stating opposing viewpoints. What a coward.

 

I called him a hack and a coward awhile ago but only because I truly believe both those things and I can back it up. Now I have additional proof of his cowardice. 

 

The fact is he's not taking responsibility for being a jerk and telling a member to gfym (this is the domain of someone holding an untenable position and getting taken to task for it) and mentioning Chris personally like Chris had a the real option of not banning such a sniveling, two faced,  person.  All cowardly acts. 

 

He's a real class act. 

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17 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

He appears to disabled comments on that post.

 

 

From the get go I imagine. 

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3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 

I mean, Michael is not free from blame, but some of us here in forum did not really help the situation.

 

 

IMO ML is the sole author of his exit here. The post at his employers website taking a jab @ hi-fi forums in general and naming Chris and CA directly is just symbolic of how stupid people can be. Now anyone can look and see how much of an asshole he is. 

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3 minutes ago, rando said:

Hectoring and taking turns one by one matching wits seemed to be tactics he embraced. 

 

That's fine and should be encouraged. Lavorgna has a track record of lashing out with the profane when he's getting soundly trounced in a back and forth. He's a scorched earth type person. Just look at all the people on A.S. that are banned because they were technically proficient to see through his B.S. 

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13 minutes ago, YashN said:

 

Ah, fear not: while the expression of what he meant wasn't the most elegant and appears to single out CA at first sight, it actually refers to all Hi-Fi forums and the unhappy people he refers to aren't all the members here

 

No he singled out CA period. What do you think 'single out' means? 

 

13 minutes ago, YashN said:

On the other hand, if the trolls can take over a forum and make it dwindle (a real possibility), that should be the focus of worry, not Lavorgna.

 

I doubt Chris has anything to worry about in this regard. 

 

13 minutes ago, YashN said:

I remember he was quite viciously attacked on this very forum, so this might explain some bitterness on his part for his experience here at CA (but as you can verify, he mentions all Hi-Fi forums, not just CA).

 

I've most likely been the most vocal with him. But here's the thing, I wasn't really involved the the thread and it was Raf of all people that ML did his typical semi-psychotic two face routine with. IMO ML is a little bit 'off'. 

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16 minutes ago, YashN said:

 

Chris has to worry about people like you. He should have banned you from CA a long time ago.

 

Maybe, Maybe not. I don't think I've done anything against the TOS either by the letter or by the spirit. 

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10 hours ago, esimms86 said:

Send him a fruitcake.

 

One preferably one with a lot o' nuts.

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I very much dislike the fact that ML is representative of whats wrong with this hobby industry, and I personally have a distaste for him as I think he's duplicitous in banning any people of solid engineering backgrounds that disagree with him, but I've never butchered his last name. 

 

I'd rather see him flip out when he's bested on the merits of the conversation in a venue he can't moderate.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

 

• Comparisons of audiophiles to flat earthers, antivaxxers, adherents to homeopathy, memory water advocates, etc.

• “I am not concerned about hurting their feelings”

• “There’s a benefit to being on the right side of the debate.  You have a higher ground that you get to speak from.”

• People labeled delusional- “If you are ML and you are delusional about Ethernet..”

• “I called him a hack and a coward a while ago but only because I truly believe those things and I can back it up.  Now I have additional proof of his cowardice.”

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I'll respond to the items I posted:

 

1. I didn't compare audiophiles at flat earthers. I've responded to people that have no idea about how data transmission works when they are presented with hard examples but yet persist in their delusion and it's detrimental to others as they tend to give out advice based on that delusion. 

 

2. No I'm not concerned about their feelings. Their feelings don't change how async data transfers work in highly buffered, high bandwidth systems

 

3. It's indeed easier to have a debate and being correct. Doesn't matter if it's like Ethernet cables or files with the same MD5 hash. 

 

4. ML is delusional about Ethernet. I can prove it with a listening session where he doesn't know a $350 cable from a $15 cable. 

 

5. I did call him a hack. A hack because he professes his hearing but won't substantiate it. Trust but Verify. He's a coward because he routinely bans people from AS that simply put forward a countering viewpoint. John Sully was an engineer at SGI and knows extensively about how CPU cache works. When Sully was pointing out the Swenson and another poster had no idea what they were talking about he was banned. Same for Archimago. 

 

   

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If someone came to my place of business and called me a liar, shill, delusional, a hack (I guess in my case a “quack”), and a coward they had better be prepared to deal with the consequences, especially the last, as they would soon realize that it wasn’t the case (and they wouldn’t be able to rely on anonymity).

 

We aren't at your place of business. 

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53 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

(Self-involved, socially isolated

 

Huh, forums are a form of socialization. 

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2 hours ago, gmgraves said:

 Touche! I hope Plissken wasn't offended by my correcting his grammar. If I made an error like that, I would certainly appreciate being told about it. Once years ago, I used the word irregardless in a sentence during a discussion. The person I was speaking with stopped me and told me that irregardless was an illiteracy because it's a double negative meaning without-without regard! I was embarrassed sure, but I never used the word again (well, not until just now, anyway ).

 

It's so rare that I'm incorrect that when something like that comes along I just shrug it off.

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2 hours ago, gmgraves said:

 

Sure. We all make grammatical errors from time to time. After all, this is the Internet. Some are just more egregious than others.

 

One time I looked at someone and said "I like your shoes" but it came out as "go fuck your mother". Who knew?

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Data Object Model

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13 hours ago, lucretius said:

 

 

 

Is it me or does his room, even over a cheap camera mic, sound reverberant?

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1 hour ago, Madra said:

Exactly how I feel about this issue and the way CA is evolving in general.

 

ML is a liar. He makes shit up, won't validate his superior hearing. Has no clue how Ethernet in general works. 

 

When an engineer from Silicon Graphics starts correcting ML and John Swenson on how CPU caching works, and ML finds himself in a no win situation he simply bans that member. Same thing he did to Archimago. 

 

He's a hack through and through. 

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30 minutes ago, Madra said:

I do not want to sound like defending ML, I am not.

But I think you are expecting ML to be something he is not.

 

Honest...

30 minutes ago, Madra said:

ML merely reports on how he hears it

 

Including hearing things that aren't there.

30 minutes ago, Madra said:

I fail to see why an Engineer from Silicon Graphics will go to “Audiostream” to discuss such technical matters given the nature and orientation of the site. 

 

That's on you then I guess. I fail to see why someone that worked on bare metal CPU's, understands how it works, wouldn't correct ML and Swenson on spreading falsehoods. I'm glad people of that caliber will step forward and correct the FUD.

 

Here is the thread. John Sully is the Engineer.

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18 minutes ago, Madra said:

Would you care to elaborate?

 

Sure:

 

Ethernet is a data cable and not an audio cable. Many devices highly buffer the data. Take current Naim streamers for example. You can pull the Ethernet cable and the music will still play for several minutes.

 

Take Tidal. On a Windows machine and a decent high throughput connection, start playback, wait 10 seconds and pull the Ethernet plug. The entire track will play.

 

Take JRiver. You can cache and entire album and pull the plug and the entire album will play back. 

 

The OS will even power down certain sections of the Ethernet PHY while not in use. 

 

If you are listening to music and the Ethernet cable is either not plugged in or the PHY is powered down and you think all sorts of magical unicorns are dancing, you are indeed making shit up. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, marce said:

That's the thread that I got me banned from Audiostream, LOL.

 

The more technically correct the rebuff is to Lavorgna's made up BS the quicker the ban. Scully, Archimago, KirkMC, You. The list goes on. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, marce said:

 

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1 hour ago, motberg said:

so there are no possible effects to having a 25+ foot cable hanging from your system picking up RFI or EMI ?

(I do not think the solution of disconnecting the cable during playback would work well in my next setup planned with a SMS200...)

 

Read the "The Antenna Myth" by Siemons.

 

CAT6 UTP is basically noise immune up to 30 MEGA hertz. It's CMNR and there are transformer couplings at both the switch and the NIC card.

 

Plus I put a $233 per foot Nordost Heimdall II (3 footer) up against $0.30 a foot CAT5e (315 foot) threw that under a running microwave and then proceeded to capture the output into an ADC, post it here at CA and no one could tell when the cables were swapped.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Spacehound said:

And further, these various audio software  'optimisers' that claim to cut down the 'overhead'  are a total nonsense as audio is extremely trivial for even a low powered home computer. I run JRiver 23, Tidal, and Duet Display (thank you Chris for drawing my attention to it) and CPU usage has never exceeded 6% and that only when changing tracks. 

 

Funny you mention that. I took a fresh Windows 10 install and stripped it down of un-needed services. I then went into perf-mon and turned on all the different cache counters/tracing. 

 

Even with a system dragging along at maybe 1% CPU usage you could see all the system I/O still going on as cache, paging, irq processes. 

 

I posted a screen shot in another thread here and it was 'Silence of the Subjectivists'. 

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7 hours ago, motberg said:

OK.. I took a look at the Siemons article.. so what you are promoting is that although there is some antenna effect, it is not audible ?

 

You didn't read the article obviously. 

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10 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Got that link? I missed it. 

I will try and find it...

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Here you go. Rather easy with the forum software as it gives you a chronological list of items that have been attached to threads! Nice.