USB cable comparisons

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The Mytek does need the USB power on power up, based on my experience.

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Don't forget the Uptone Audio Regen: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/uptone-audio-regen-22803/

Now on sale for $175. Seems like same concept as the Wyrd, taken to a higher level. Note: I'm a happy Wyrd owner, will probably buy a Regen.

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16 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

Always a work in progress.

I've shown you mine, now please show me yours. 

Nice.  Pretty "flat" in the real world sense.

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3 hours ago, Sal1950 said:

 

 

 

Chris, Like every other issue there are two sides to every story.

We don't sensor the MQA threads where people have been continually debating the issues for a number of years now.  Why are we to consider any cable threads off limits to opposing views?  This is more akin to a religious thread that refuses to allow any science based information to upset the believers. when the basic science runs in direct contradiction to subjective believes

 

 

 

Sal, the site had gotten to the point where people who want to compare cables or anything else based on their listening couldn't do it without the thread being taken over by people telling them how ignorant and foolish they are. I don't think there is an issue of censorship here. There is an issue of letting people discuss what they want without them  having to defend themselves.

 

People should be able to have a subjective thread like this one. Do you really think people who are serious hobbyists and who post here have never been exposed to the arguments you are making? I can assure you they have. And they've rejected them.

 

Doesn't matter why. Doesn't matter if they are wrong. They have their approach to the hobby and have a right to discuss it without OT and condescending posts (in their context) constantly interrupting their discussion. They don't need and aren't asking for the type of input you are offering. You may think you are offering them truth and enlightenment. What you are doing in actuality is interrupting their discussion and trying to turn it into something else or even end it. In effect, it's the ultimate rudeness. Even if that isn't the intent.

 

Is there some reason you can't just ignore the thread? Is the world just not able to function without your input on this topic? And more to the point, do you really think anything is being accomplished by your posts? I don't. I don't think anyone is being educated or informed about the topic in a way they weren't before.

 

If the thread really bothers you, then start a thread called "why usb cable comparisons are nonsense" instead of posting here. I'd say it would even be okay if you simply post a link to your opposing thread here and then leave it at that.  You can quote posts from here and rebut them all you want at the opposing thread.

 

And it the subjectivists come and start making OT subjectivist posts at your thread I'd tell them the same thing.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

"Optical is the way to go."

 

Surely you don't mean Toslink, which is quite inferior to properly implemented USB?

I think the reference was to optical ethernet, which is becoming the "way to go" around here.

And BTW, there are DACs being produced these days where the distortion/jitter differneces across the various inputs, USB, AES, Ethernet, etc - are non-existent. As always, it's the quality of the implementation, not the HW format, that matters.

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20 minutes ago, manueljenkin said:

I am actually interested in ethernet audio (for the diy dac I'm about to build - dddac1794). I just thought it wasn't a common thing yet. Do we have a thread for it?

You are correct there are very few "ethernet DACs"-most people are using outboard streamers that convert the ethernet to another digital format such as USB.

There are also ethernet DACs that simply have the full streamer board housed in the same case as the DAC boaard.  AFAIK, very few that go direct from ethernet input to DAC input on the DAC board itself, with ethernet and DAC integrated together. If I'm mistaken someone can correct me. 

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22 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

 

 

If S/PDIF sounds as good or better than USB, either the USB implementation has been botched or the audio system has a problem. Asynchronous USB and I2S are superior technically to S/PDIF (XLR, Toslink & coax), because of the embedded clock.

No, that's what you think should be true in theory, but it isn't necessarily what happens in practice. Check out, as one example, the Matrix Audio streamer DACs, that measure equally well with various inputs. USB performance is excellent, as are the other inputs. You can argue your on paper idea of what is true as much as you want, it doesn't make it true in reality, if a company wants to optimize performance of the various formats. 

It's just one of many audiophile "facts" that isn't a fact.