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    Growing up on a steady diet of Led Zeppelin, The Who, Van Halen, and Pearl Jam, I'm fully aware of the limits of my worldly musical knowledge. These limits lead to enjoyable discoveries, as I found out a couple weeks ago. I had a guest over listening to my immersive audio system. I played him a new recording I'd just purchased from TRPTK. He immediately asked if the musician was playing the viola da gamba. I showed him the album cover that said 12 Fantasias for Viola da Gamba, and immediately thought to myself, what is a viola da gamba?

     

    TTK0043-scaled.jpgI later dove into the viola da gamba, composer Georg Philipp Telemann (1681-1767), and musician Ralph Rousseau. As I read, I also continued listening to this new immersive release by TRPTK titled Telemann: 12 Fantasias for Viola da Gamba. The compositions, the story of how they were lost and found, and a meeting through pure happenstance that lead to this recording, much of this detailed int he PDF liner notes, all help to setup one heck of a musical performance and immersive album. 

     

    Unbeknownst to me, the viola da gamba is more akin to a cello than a traditional viola. I found this out from the little known Viola da Gamba Society of America. It's an absolutely beautiful sounding instrument in the right hands, and Ralph Rousseau has those hands. 


    "In the historical center of Utrecht, on the edge of the Catharijnesingel, you’ll find the Geertekerk. This church is characterised by its extraordinary acoustics and rich history." According to the liner notes. This is the church in which TRPTK engineer Brendon Heinst and his team recorded Ralph Rousseau playing an early 18th century 6-string viola da gamba by Georg Aman with Gerhard Landwehr bow, over two and a half days in 2019. 

     

    Music lovers and audiophiles will also find the following information from the liner notes reassuring and exciting. 

     

    "This created the perfect opportunity to make a true no-compromises recording. Because, well, let’s face it: unfortunately every recording has compromises as part of the process, however microscopically tiny. You have a limited number of recording days, you have to work with the elements of what’s there, and so on and so forth.

     

    But not for this recording. Starting with the location — together with Ralph, we chose the magnificent Geertekerk in our hometown of Utrecht. Built in the 13th century, this church has some of the most incredible acoustics in the country, making it perfect for a period instrument such as the gamba. Of course, we also had to use the best tools for the job, so we reached out to DPA Microphones
    in Denmark, who were kind enough to supply us with their latest 4006A omnidirectional and 4015A subcardioid microphones. We wanted to record the Geertekerk as it is, in surround, with nothing added or removed from it, making the DPAs the clear choice. Paired with the most high-end microphone cabling in the world, custom-built for us by Furutech, and suspended on their NCF Boosters, we were sure of creating the most accurate reproduction of the sound of Ralph’s instrument in the space were we spent two and a half days of intense recording."

     

     

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    The more I listened to the Dolby Atmos TrueHD version of Ralph Rousseau playing in the Geertekerk, the more enthralled I became with this album. Both Rousseau and Heinst are masters of their own domains. Right from the opening piece, Fantasia No. 1 in C Minor, TWV 40:26: I. Adagio - Allegro - Adagio - Allegro, my listening chair was transported to the Geertekerk in Utrecht, Netherlands with Ralph Rousseau playing in front of me and the sound of the venue's acoustics all around. To those who may haver reservations about a single instrument being reproduced in Atmos, I challenge you to listen to this album and remain unconvinced. 

     

    The entire hour and fifteen minutes of music goes by in the blink of an eye, with one piece flowing right into the next while capturing the listeners' attention and audibly sending them into the year 1735. I've listened to this album, start to finish, several times and not once picked up my phone to check email or messages. After pressing play, I don't want it to end. I can't recommend it highly enough. 

     

    Purchase and download the immersive version directly from TRPTK here, or listen to the stereo version through the streaming service of your choice. 

     

     


    goldberg.jpgTwo other gems I've been listening to are Benedek Horvath's Golberg Variations (TrueHD Dolby Atmos) and the forthcoming Trondheim Symphony Orchestra's Henning Sommerro: BORDERS (October 6, 2023 on 2L, 2L-173-SABD). Horvath's Goldberg Variations is just beautiful for both the music and the recording / immersive mix. This is a more traditional immersive mix, but rightfully so. The listener is placed in the room with Horvath as he works his magic. The piano reverberations on the TrueHD Dolby Atmos version just can't be reproduced like this in stereo. This is another album that captures my attention from beginning to end, nearly one and a half hours of music. 

     

    Recorded by 2L's Morten Lindberg, Henning Sommerro: BORDERS is absolutely cutting edge immersive audio at its best. Norwegian musician and composer Henning Sommerro has a way of creating such engaging pieces that even I, the antithesis of a classical aficionado, enjoy immensely. Listening to this album immersively, I imagine the journey of the character(s) to the eternal city just before the Summer solstice, with daylight abound. I get completely lost in the music and the story. 

     

    The album was recorded in the round, with immersive audio in mind from the beginning. This is another configuration that many who lack 2L-173_front_3000_1024x1024@2x.jpgexperience listening to immersive audio struggle with. I don't blame them, I was in the exact same boat! Why would one want to sit in the middle of all the musicians, when all the musicians sit in front of the audience at a concert? As Bowers & Wilkins used to rightly advertise, "Listen and You'll See." Once this album is heard on an immersive system, it feels like a large compromise to jam all the musicians into the front of the room. Attempting to hear individual instruments or even groups of instruments, when they are spread out around the listener, is a piece of cake. As the musicians are compressed into the front of a room, this becomes more difficult. Increasing the difficulty even more is fitting all of this into two speakers. It can be done gracefully, but not with ultimate fidelity and ultimate realism. 

     

    I listened to the 7.1.4 DXD Discrete Immersive version of this album. That's 12 channels of 24/352.8 with a bit rate of 101,606 Kbps (CD is 1,411 Kbps). I have no doubt the TrueHD Dolby Atmos version of the album will be equally as engaging and highly recommend every pre-order it now (before the October 6, 2023 release date). The music is fantastic. The engineering is fantastic. What's not to love!

     

     

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    I'll wrap up this edition of my immersive favorites with a new video about Dolby Atmos music from the American Public Broadcasting Service (PBS). I usually roll my eyes when watching videos like this, but PBS and those interviewed really nailed it. It's a good watch for those who have immersive systems, those interested in the technology, or even those who are skeptical because it reiterates what many of us have been saying for a while. While we didn't share notes or experiences, it's interesting to hear some of the same descriptions of what's heard through Dolby Atmos music, from those in this video.  

     

     

     


     




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    I watched the video. I have to disagree that they "really nailed it."

     

    They put too much emphasis on the idea of instruments all around the room. . . About 2 minutes in,  the interviewer comments on Miles Davis KOB and says something like "so the bass can come from behind us and the trumpet can be up front." 

     

    From my perspective THAT is exactly what immersive audio is NOT supposed to be. Putting instruments where they should not be is not an effective use of the technology. It is a gimmick and that pervasive, incorrect  idea is what keeps many old school 2 channel people from taking it seriously.

     

    BTW the Atmos version of KOB does not put the bass behind you. The Atmos channels are used very judiciously. 

     

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    4 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    From my perspective THAT is exactly what immersive audio is NOT supposed to be. Putting instruments where they should not be is not an effective use of the technology. It is a gimmick and that pervasive, incorrect  idea is what keeps many old school 2 channel people from taking it seriously.

    Good thing you aren’t in charge of the immersive rule making committee :~)

     

    There are no rules. 
     

    We only heard audio from the front for a million years because of limitations. Now those limitations are gone. If people can’t get over it, that’s unfortunate for them. They are missing out. Big time. 

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    28 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Good thing you aren’t in charge of the immersive rule making committee :~)

     

    There are no rules. 

     

    You are right.. there are no rules ..... but there is common sense.

     

    If you are creating an Atmos mix of a classic recording of a quintet like KOB it is not common sense to put the bass behind you in one channel, the drums behind you in another , the piano above your head, and have the horns swirling all around the room. You are too young to remember,  but that's the kind of gimmickry  we got early on when quadraphonic came out in the early 1970s. It was a bad idea then, it is a bad idea now, and it will always be a bad idea.

     

    That's what people my age remember from that time and that is what many incorrectly assume it is today. They don't need to "get over it." They need to be educated about what good immersive audio is. Interviews like this one where they talk about "instruments all over the room" do not educate, they reinforce the misconceptions and fail to show what truly great immersive audio is all about. 

     

    You commented on Fremer's thread where he and his minion were dismissing  Atmos. That's what needs to be overcome. This video doesn't help

     

     

     

     

     

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    Part of the 'answer' to all of this is how you feel music should be experienced: do you want the ideas of the musicians, or the production crew, or yourself, to decide how it's presented ... would the Rolling Stones want you to hear their new tracks as if you were in the centre of the band, them all facing you, playing for you exclusively - or are they fully "old school", liking being heroes on a stage feeding the hordes? And does it matter what they think?

     

    No matter how it's presented, the quality has to be top notch. Otherwise it fails - if you spend a lot of the time being made aware of, being irked by limitations of the technology used, then you still haven't got key parts of the mechanism working as well as it needs to ...

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    47 minutes ago, bbosler said:

     

    You are right.. there are no rules ..... but there is common sense.

     

    If you are creating an Atmos mix of a classic recording of a quintet like KOB it is not common sense to put the bass behind you in one channel, the drums behind you in another , the piano above your head, and have the horns swirling all around the room. You are too young to remember,  but that's the kind of gimmickry  we got early on when quadraphonic came out in the early 1970s. It was a bad idea then, it is a bad idea now, and it will always be a bad idea.

     

    That's what people my age remember from that time and that is what many incorrectly assume it is today. They don't need to "get over it." They need to be educated about what good immersive audio is. Interviews like this one where they talk about "instruments all over the room" do not educate, they reinforce the misconceptions and fail to show what truly great immersive audio is all about. 

     

    You commented on Fremer's thread where he and his minion were dismissing  Atmos. That's what needs to be overcome. This video doesn't help

     

     

     

     

     

    I hear ya Bruce :~)
     

    This is a photo of the best immersive album available today, being recorded. Many people would look at this and dismiss it. Same with Grateful Dead’s Attics with four voices harmonizing from the height channels. I say get over it, but you’re right about more education being the key. 
     

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    47 minutes ago, fas42 said:

    if you spend a lot of the time being made aware of, being irked by limitations of the technology used, then you still haven't got key parts of the mechanism working as well as it needs to


    let me know when you can get this “working as well as it needs to.”

     

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    1 hour ago, bbosler said:

    If you are creating an Atmos mix of a classic recording of a quintet like KOB

     

    My apologies, it was a sextet 🥵 (how embarrassing) 

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    35 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:


    let me know when you can get this “working as well as it needs to.”

     

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    Everything is evolution. Everything. The old transistor radio did its job of allowing people to be mobile and still be in contact with the world, meaning information and music was available at "the press of a button" ... no-one expected, expects it to be more than that. These days, the technology is still not in place to give you substantially more as a experience, while still allowing you to be mobile - the best would currently be a very high end car sound system, and if otherwise "outside the house" using top notch earplugs, etc, with a well done, compact storage and player device.

     

    The inherent limitations of the raw playback chain always have to come into any optimising exercise - it's absurd to spend 10 times what is cost to acquire to make something work well; something like 10, 20% of raw cost is more reasonable.

     

    With 2 channel, having something work well enough to do the equivalent of walking up to a mere couple of feet from musicians on a stage is plenty enough of immersive, for some, :). Having done this experience with a live big band in full cry some years ago, I can vouch for its effectiveness - not being able to hear your own voice, no matter how loud you shout, in the face of pure acoustic instruments, is quite something ^_^.

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    I fall between Chris and Bruce. I too recall quad. The gimmicks helped kill it along with added expense. When HT debuted and people became more familiar with a 5.1 system, I had more hope for MC music. Then MC SACD came about with too many gimmicky mixes and a lot of audiophiles said no. I had tons of debates about it and frankly did not like the gimmicks and limited my purchases. Then along came Atmos which has way more potential. Great mixes can blow away 2 channel but some mixes just leave 2 channel devotees cold. Too many remember the old days. Now, with the concert photo Chris posted, it makes sense to have more instruments in the rear and side channels. Same with the Snarky Puppy Empire city release. As for most other recordings, I much prefer the sense of space that the Atmos mix provides, the sense or height, scale and separation that the Atmos system provides along with the increased dynamics. The music and soundstage just breathes and sounds more natural and involving. But hey, that is just me.

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    22 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I hear ya Bruce :~)
     

    This is a photo of the best immersive album available today, being recorded. Many people would look at this and dismiss it. Same with Grateful Dead’s Attics with four voices harmonizing from the height channels. I say get over it, but you’re right about more education being the key. 
     

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    What's the album?

     

    BTW, I also love viola da gamba. This is a bit off topic for immersive, but there's a fellow named Jordi Savall who is an absolute world treasure and a master of the viola da gamba. There's a beautiful soundtrack album to the French film Tous les Matins du Monde (All the Mornings of the World) that puts his talents on great display.

     

    https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/bande-originale-du-film-tous-les-matins-du-monde-montserrat-figueras-pierre-hantai-concert-des-nations-jordi-savall/0829410081665

     

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    20 minutes ago, Jud said:

     

    What's the album?

     

    BTW, I also love viola da gamba. This is a bit off topic for immersive, but there's a fellow named Jordi Savall who is an absolute world treasure and a master of the viola da gamba. There's a beautiful soundtrack album to the French film Tous les Matins du Monde (All the Mornings of the World) that puts his talents on great display.

     

    https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/bande-originale-du-film-tous-les-matins-du-monde-montserrat-figueras-pierre-hantai-concert-des-nations-jordi-savall/0829410081665

     

    Here’s that album. 
     

    https://shop.2l.no/en-us/products/reflections-trondheimsolistene?_pos=1&_psq=refle&_ss=e&_v=1.0

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    Due to some house construction, I have been limited to headphones for ATMOS.  I used the speakers yesterday to watch Apple's iPhone and Watch updates on my M1 Macbook Air!  Apple used spatial audio in the presentation's soundtrack, significantly enhancing the experience.  

     

    The ATOMS release of Jim Croce's 'You Don't Mess Around with Jim' is a real treat for me.  I cannot wait to get the speaker system back up and running.

     

    From my limited experience with ATMOS and extracted surround using a Schiit SYN, I have had some of the best listening experiences ever.

     

     

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    Chris, 

     

    Thanks for your latest immersive music recommendations.  I downloaded the Ralph Rousseau Telemann album from TRPTK in Atmos, and it is definitely my favorite TRPTK recording so far.  The sense of the performance space in Atmos is really something.  Just for fun I played the stereo version for comparison, and there really was no comparison.  Even for a solo instrumental performance so much of the listening experience is lost in stereo.  

     

    Please keep these coming!

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    1 hour ago, Kurvenal said:

    Chris, 

     

    Thanks for your latest immersive music recommendations.  I downloaded the Ralph Rousseau Telemann album from TRPTK in Atmos, and it is definitely my favorite TRPTK recording so far.  The sense of the performance space in Atmos is really something.  Just for fun I played the stereo version for comparison, and there really was no comparison.  Even for a solo instrumental performance so much of the listening experience is lost in stereo.  

     

    Please keep these coming!

    I’m so happy you enjoy it and compared the experience. Yes! If people want to reproduce a real event, stereo, invented in the 1950s, is no longer the best way to do it. Listening to Ralph play the viola da gamba, you feel like you’re in the venue and you hear the height of the old building as the sound of a single instrument decays. 
     

    More on the way :~)

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    one thing that's holding back sales, at least for me. I don't know which one to buy. My Trinnov  decodes Atmos and Auro 3D but don't which will be better (if either) .. I'm fine with buying a disc like from 2L, it comes with a variety of formats and I can just plop in the disc. But at € 30,00 for the file I'm not sure which to choose. AND I don't know what player is compatible.

     

    I just dropped Roon, Tidal, and Qobuz since I'm doing more vinyl listening lately and all in that was a $600/yr. Going with Apple Music for streaming since I have an Apple TVs hooked my Trinnov and Apple Music as part of a package.

     

    can you recommend a format below and a software player? I have a Windows PC using Apple iTunes. I don't think it will play these files?

     

    The TRPTK site says "Pretty much our web store’s most popular Spatial Audio format is Auro-3D-encoded files. Essentially, these are 5.1-channel FLAC files,"

     

    So I guess the Auro 3D decoder creates the 9.1 from 5.1? If so I'm thinking I want the Auro3D 9.1 Flac files.. but what player ? Should I just keep Roon for this purpose or is there a better option?

     

    aarrgghh

     

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    12 hours ago, bbosler said:

     

    one thing that's holding back sales, at least for me. I don't know which one to buy. My Trinnov  decodes Atmos and Auro 3D but don't which will be better (if either) .. I'm fine with buying a disc like from 2L, it comes with a variety of formats and I can just plop in the disc. But at € 30,00 for the file I'm not sure which to choose. AND I don't know what player is compatible.

     

    I just dropped Roon, Tidal, and Qobuz since I'm doing more vinyl listening lately and all in that was a $600/yr. Going with Apple Music for streaming since I have an Apple TVs hooked my Trinnov and Apple Music as part of a package.

     

    can you recommend a format below and a software player? I have a Windows PC using Apple iTunes. I don't think it will play these files?

     

    The TRPTK site says "Pretty much our web store’s most popular Spatial Audio format is Auro-3D-encoded files. Essentially, these are 5.1-channel FLAC files,"

     

    So I guess the Auro 3D decoder creates the 9.1 from 5.1? If so I'm thinking I want the Auro3D 9.1 Flac files.. but what player ? Should I just keep Roon for this purpose or is there a better option?

     

    aarrgghh

     

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    I believe the Trinnov will only decode audio fed into its HDMI interface. In this case, something like an NVidia Shield will be the easiest route for playing these files. I know these work great with Atmos, as @JoeWhip usese one all the time with the MKV file downloads. 

     

    While the Atmos says it's 5.1.4, it's actually the same as any other Atmos and it will expand or contract to one's speaker layout. I get full audio in all of my 7.1.4 channels. Auro will be 5.1.4 and only 5.1.4. 

     

    I know many others love Auro, but I stick with Atmos as it's the format selcted by the masses and will be around longer and have the most support down the road. Auro has almost disappeared once already. 

     

     

     

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    5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I believe the Trinnov will only decode audio fed into its HDMI interface. In this case, something like an NVidia Shield will be the easiest route for playing these files. I know these work great with Atmos, as @JoeWhip usese one all the time with the MKV file downloads. 

     

    While the Atmos says it's 5.1.4, it's actually the same as any other Atmos and it will expand or contract to one's speaker layout. I get full audio in all of my 7.1.4 channels. Auro will be 5.1.4 and only 5.1.4. 

     

    I know many others love Auro, but I stick with Atmos as it's the format selcted by the masses and will be around longer and have the most support down the road. Auro has almost disappeared once already. 

    A few comments:

    1) Trinnov is a Roon Ready device, so the audio is decoded via the Trinnov LAN input.  I use Roon to play Auro-3D encoded FLAC files all the time with the Auro-3D decoder selected on the Trinnov.  5.1 FLAC files are decoded as 9.1, and 7.1 FLAC files are decoded as 11.1.  The Trinnov settings in Roon also enable you to swap the rear and side surround channels, which are sometimes not consistent across Auro-3D encoded FLAC files and is also handy for 9.1 recordings so you can choose which surround channels (side vs rear) you want to hear audio from.  

    2) Brendon Heinst at TRPTK will set up a custom order for those who are interested in multiple immersive formats of the same recording.  This has made it possible for me to buy the Atmos TrueHD MKV (which I listen to using an Nvidia Shield per Chris’s suggestion) and the Auro-3D FLAC versions of the same album for a very small premium to the purchase price for a single format.  Since I am in the US I also save on the VAT which is included in the listed download price, so all-in the price for both versions ends up being very reasonable.  

    3) One question I have for Chris:  when I play a 5.1.4 Atmos recording, it looks to me that I am getting the same levels out of my rear and side surrounds, which I am guessing is how the Atmos decoder upmixes a 5.1.4 recording to 7.1.4 with no object movement (I have seen very few classical recordings with any object movement in the mix).  So maybe a “true” 7.1.4 Atmos recording would start with a larger microphone array and be mixed in a studio with a 7.1.4 configuration, which is possibly a step beyond what some small labels are able to invest for the moment (other than labels dedicated to immersive mixes such as 2L and IAN)?

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    37 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I believe the Trinnov will only decode audio fed into its HDMI interface. In this case, something like an NVidia Shield will be the easiest route for playing these files. I know these work great with Atmos, as @JoeWhip usese one all the time with the MKV file downloads. 

     

    I'll have to explore that. Do you or Joe have a recommended software player to use with the Shield? I prefer something I can just buy and not subscribe to... or is free

     

    I know I can send multichannel 5.1 Flac to the Trinnov via Roon, but if it is encoded with Auro3D I don't know if it will decode it. Atmos via Roon is a no go. (UPDATE as the above got posted as I posted this... question answered.)

     

    Good point concerning Atmos vs. Auro. Even though a few of these small labels encode with it, Auro has lost the war like Beta lost to VHS.

     

    thanks

     

    Any updates on ripping Atmos MKV from BluRays, as in is there an easier way than you outlined previously? I currently just play the discs. I have ripped my SACDs and DVD-As, but the BluRay multi step process to get the audio is more than I care to undertake. 

     

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    2 minutes ago, Kurvenal said:

    1) Trinnov is a Roon Ready device, so the audio is decoded via the Trinnov LAN input.  I use Roon to play Auro-3D encoded FLAC files all the time with the Auro-3D decoder selected on the Trinnov.  5.1 FLAC files are decoded as 9.1, and 7.1 FLAC files are decoded as 11.1.  The Trinnov settings in Roon also enable you to swap the rear and side surround channels, which are sometimes not consistent across Auro-3D encoded FLAC files and is also handy for 9.1 recordings so you can choose which surround channels (side vs rear) you want to hear audio from.  

    Great to read! I remember a Trinnov rep telling me they wouldn't route Atmos decoding through anything other than HDMI, but this is great to read about Auro. 

     

     

    3 minutes ago, Kurvenal said:

    3) One question I have for Chris:  when I play a 5.1.4 Atmos recording, it looks to me that I am getting the same levels out of my rear and side surrounds, which I am guessing is how the Atmos decoder upmixes a 5.1.4 recording to 7.1.4 with no object movement (I have seen very few classical recordings with any object movement in the mix).  So maybe a “true” 7.1.4 Atmos recording would start with a larger microphone array and be mixed in a studio with a 7.1.4 configuration, which is possibly a step beyond what some small labels are able to invest for the moment (other than labels dedicated to immersive mixes such as 2L and IAN)?

     

    They can mix any speaker configuration they want from even a single microphone and headphones. Not recommended of course, but it's possible :~)

     

    There really are no rules to any of this. In addition, finding information on how things work is next to impossible. Dolby has outdated and conflicting documents. Two professionals will give you three different answers. 

     

    As one example, some pros say that Atmos objects are lower quality than the bed when streaming because they are all thrown in together at a lower resolution. Other pros use the bed only for LFE, and objects for everything else, and say the quality is the same. 

     

    For now, I recommend ignoring many of the specifics and just listening :~)

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    15 minutes ago, Kurvenal said:

    Brendon Heinst at TRPTK will set up a custom order for those who are interested in multiple immersive formats of the same recording.  This has made it possible for me to buy the Atmos TrueHD MKV (which I listen to using an Nvidia Shield per Chris’s suggestion)

    Interesting... that's why I've bought the 2L discs instead of downloading. You can buy the disc which has multiple formats for about the same or less than downloading fewer formats.

    The TUVAYHUN discs are €26,00,

    to download just the Atmos and Auro is €28,00,

    just the Auro is €24,00

    Of course with the discs there is shipping to consider)

     

    Disc 1
    Hybrid SACD
    MCH 5.1 DSD
    Stereo DSD
    RedBook PCM: MQA CD
    Disc 2 Pure Audio Blu-ray
    2.0 LPCM 192/24
    5.1 DTS HD-MA 192/24
    7.1.4 Auro-3D 96kHz
    7.1.4 Dolby Atmos 48kHz
    mShuttle: MQA + FLAC + MP3
    Region: ABC - worldwide

     

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    22 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    I'll have to explore that. Do you or Joe have a recommended software player to use with the Shield? I prefer something I can just buy and not subscribe to... or is free

     

    @JoeWhip what are you using?

     

     

    23 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    Any updates on ripping Atmos MKV from BluRays, as in is there an easier way than you outlined previously?

     

    The ripping process to get an MKV is dead simple. For those of us not using a hardware processor, we have to jump through some hoops afterward. 

     

    MakeMKV is the app that can rip the MKV right from the Blu-ray. That MKV will play perfectly with your Trinnov.

     

    https://www.makemkv.com

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    29 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    MakeMKV is the app that can rip the MKV right from the Blu-ray. That MKV will play perfectly with your Trinnov.

     

     

    Not that I doubt you, but before I plop down my $60 for MakeMKV and $200 for a Shield and another $?? for software to play the file, , , , , can someone doing this with a device like the Shield confirm success? 

     

    I believe the last time I tried to rip a BluRay it said it was copy protected and I needed a key to unlock it ? That might have included a movie though ??

     

    also a bit reluctant to buy a Shield when they haven't released an  updated model in 4 years

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    Just now, bbosler said:

     

    Not that I doubt you, but before I plop down my $60 for MakeMKV and $200 for a Shield and another $?? for software to play the file, , , , , can someone doing this with a device like the Shield confirm success? 

     

    I believe the last time I tried to rip a BluRay it said it was copy protected and I needed a key to unlock it ? That might have included a movie though ??

     

    also a bit reluctant to buy a Shield when they haven't released an  updated model in 4 years

     

    I can confirm that MakeMKV Blu-ray rips play perfectly on a Shield Pro with the Kodi app. You can use MakeMKV free for a bit I believe. 

     

    @JoeWhip has tested this for me with his Shield and processor. 

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    23 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I can confirm that MakeMKV Blu-ray rips play perfectly on a Shield Pro with the Kodi app. You can use MakeMKV free for a bit I believe. 

    yeah, I used up my free trial last time i tried it. But if it all works $60 isn't that much in the grand scheme. I do have to buy a long HDMI fiber cable too so I can get from my PC to the equipment rack though.

     

    also.... since the Trinnov accepts audio via HDMI why would  I need a Shield?

     

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    Chris, I recall that both of us had trouble using MakeMKV to rip Pure Audio Blu-ray discs because of the non-standard menu features they have.  Is that still the case?

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