Expectation Bias

[botrytis]

If you can't laugh at yourself, then how can you laugh at anybody else? I think people see the human side of you when you do that.

Payne Stewart

 

words to live buy.

[botrytis]

 

11 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Listening in the living room? The point of competent SQ is that you listen throughout the house - that is, you can set the volume such that the music flows through to every part; and it sounds good from the other end of the building, and, at that same volume, it also sounds good a foot in front of the speakers. Which is precisely what happens if a live musician plays an instrument in your home .

 

 

Not really. What does happen, especially in prior years, with ambitious systems is that they become more susceptible to emphasising defects in the chain, and, for me, they are then quite unlistenable to - they often sound like a somewhat better PA system, and sometimes they are worse, .

 

People have a terribly hard time coming to grips with the fact that the speakers, and system, are a 'window' into the contents of the recording - the latter sets the limits of what it will sound like; a million dollar speaker won't sound a million dollars, it should sound like the recording.

FRANK - stop. You are just burying yourself further. You have already have shown you do not know what you are doing.

[botrytis]

Here is a horrible living room. Run Frank run....

[botrytis]

Frank, stop posting here, please. All you are doing showing people you really don't understand what you are doing or what you are trying to fix.

[botrytis]

 

Band under water?

[botrytis]

2 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Just to make sure we're on the same page, here is your claim again:

 

 

Yes, please point to others who have accomplished this using a standard, two-speaker audio system.

 

I KNOW HOW 😁

 

https://tigerfox360.com/

 

I had a picture of one of the systems - you CAN hear things behind you. Not because of Frank's BS but because of actual physics.

[botrytis]

Frank has been spewing the same stuff for 6 years? WOW.

 

[botrytis]

11 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Try, 12 years ...

 

https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=general&m=579676

 

 

 

[botrytis]

https://www.soundacousticsolutions.com/blog/2017/08/01/basic-acoustic-concepts-series-part-one/

 

Frank needs to understand basics as he seems to be lacking basic knowledge.

[botrytis]

One can actually, Frank.

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11 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

And other forums, too ... yes!

 

I'm not a youngie - if I was a fired up twenty something, I would be running around, starting up companies; all that sort of stuff. What I'm doing here suits me; dropping breadcrumbs for others to follow the trail, when and if they should choose to do so.

 

Sure Frank, sure, sure. Trying to follow the M-QAnon way of making money?

 

There is nothing to follow - it is all nonsense. The stuff that I gathered, like the rest, are just ridiculous that you talk about, honestly.

[botrytis]

No one has a perfect memory from 35 yrs ago, unless it is a shock, like an accident, death in the family, etc. Your mind molds your memories to your expectation also.

[botrytis]

Quck Frank, go and fix all his cables.

[botrytis]

1 hour ago, kumakuma said:

 

In my experience, very few audiophiles hold either of the extreme positions that you have outlined above.

 

 

Franks doesn't listen, he just spews nonsense. This is part and parcel of doubling down on beliefs that others have proven are false. This is classic behavior of cult followers.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pathways-experience/202102/doubling-down-why-people-deny-the-facts

 

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-psychology-of-doubling-down-2

 

https://effectiviology.com/backfire-effect-facts-dont-change-minds/

[botrytis]

13 minutes ago, fas42 said:

Actually, the fun thing to do would be to have access to the rigs of some of you people, for a day or so, and work out some of the easy to fix, obvious bottlenecks to getting better SQ from them ... of course, I wouldn't get any thanks for doing this, .

 

I would probably fix things by tossing the Edifiers in the first place. They were built to a price point, OK for what they are but no great shakes. There are better out there for the coin.

[botrytis]

Pictures or it doesn't exist.

[botrytis]

Yes, it is not the picture file that is the issue, it is all the monitors.

[botrytis]

I posted an article form the late 70's - do all amps sound the same. Basically, DBT testing then showed people couldn't tell which amp was playing. It was a crap shoot if they could tell the difference.

 

This is what Frank is afraid of. That all his 'tweaks' will end up a big 'nothing burger'.

[botrytis]

20 minutes ago, Racerxnet said:

Or a shite sandwich.

 

NAH - I think Frank has more taste than that. Although, being Australian, I wonder if he likes 'Vegemite sandwiches' and the fact it was an American company that invented it.

[botrytis]

As I said, Frank, you are not going to change anyone's mind. Why not just stop?

[botrytis]

Now Frank will attack because that is the next step.

[botrytis]

I will say it one more time, please stop Frank.

[botrytis]

I thought I could appeal to him.

[botrytis]

6 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

I think that's the real value of blind testing. It is to reveal what you can really hear, rather than what you think you hear. It's just too easy to hear huge differences, many veils lifted, improved microdynamics, wider soundstage, better instrument separation, more air, more slam, etc., etc., etc., if you think that something has changed. Even if nothing was changed in reality.

 

This is a contradiction. One either hears it with DBT or it doesn't exist - there is no middle ground. That is the point.

[botrytis]

14 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

Reality is overrated, as demonstrated by the first few Matrix movies :) Red pill vs blue pill. We all know which one Frank picked. 

 

We have to live in reality, or we can join Frank.

 

8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I disagree. 
 

If one doesn’t expect to hear a difference, one won’t hear a difference. Expectations.  

 

The point is with a DBT, is you don't know what you are listening to. If you don't know, then HOW can you have expectations?

 

That IS the point.