“Gaming” measurements

[The Computer Audiophile]

15 hours ago, idiot_savant said:

I’m a bit surprised people here just seem to shrug their shoulders? Isn’t the idea of measurements to have a level playing field? Never mind sacrificing actual sound quality for a bigger number?

I think many people have learned that measurements and specs can be used in nefarious ways, in every hobby, business, and endeavor. As such, they take the numbers as a single data point that doesn’t usually mean too much. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Yes I would say that deliberately adding distortion is an incompetent design goal

 

Which definition of incompetent are you using?

 

The DAC was designed to perform best using the Measurement setting. The designer, and many listeners prefer the sound a bit different, so they created the Listen setting. I call it a great option for people. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, March Audio said:

I fundamentally disagree that adding distortion improves sound.  I don't buy the "euphonic distortion" line.

 

I have never heard distortion sound good.

 

Your preferences have nothing to do with competence. This is an objective thread. Prove it's incompetent design, or keep the subjective opinion to yourself. 

 

Plus, your claims of incompetence about a competing manufacturer are unbecoming. Perhaps your reputation as a perpetual line-stepper is deserving. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, March Audio said:

So are you saying an amplifier that distorts is a competent design?

 

Now you're making thing up. We are talking about @Ryan Berry / Ayre's QB-9 DAC with a switch for Measure and Listen positions. 

 

 

Just now, March Audio said:

My comments were generic, it was another member that mentioned a specific product.

 

No.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, March Audio said:

Hang on, is this the objective section of the forum?

 

In your own words ...

 

24 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Now you can argue as much as you like about individual preferences in the subjective part of the forum but this is the objective area.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Can I not have the opinion that adding distortion in a product is the wrong thing to do?

 

Have all the opinions you want, but not in the objective forum and not by disparaging another manufacturer calling their opinion incompetent. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Can we have some data that shows adding distortion actually sounds better?

 

Ayre has data in the form of sales and customer feedback. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

10 minutes ago, March Audio said:

Can we have some data that shows adding distortion actually sounds better?

 

 

Just now, March Audio said:

Sales are not any indicator of objective performance

 

 

Stop with your nonsense. Look at your two statements. This is getting ridiculous. I advise you to stop digging a hole. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, March Audio said:

Sorry butvI don't understand.

 

Are you saying that sales indicate product product performance?

 

So if we identify the best selling amp or dac that they are thereforenthe best performing amp and dac out there?

 

Are you saying that sales have nothing to do with marketing effectiveness?

 

You're purposely not following. 

 

I can't help you. Stop moving the goal posts. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, idiot_savant said:

a bit like ….

 

 

MQA

But totally free :~)

[The Computer Audiophile]

28 minutes ago, idiot_savant said:

these forums are not to be used to “catch out” manufacturers - so I can think of a DAC that looks like it might be doing this, but that would be speculation on my part and could cause problems for that manufacturer if I were wrong

Thank you for being careful. It’s hard to unring a bell. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

10 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Is there any point to measuring anything - and objectively finding nothing wrong ... but still are faced with a “nagging sense of wrongness”, when listening? Why should one bother with this hobby, if this is the situation?

Discuss the wrongness all you want, in another sub-forum. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

15 minutes ago, manueljenkin said:

I wish you had the guts to say this when @March Audiowas derailing the Bit perfect audio can sound different thread by invoking necessity of measurements, instead of closing the thread.

This has nothing to do with guts. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

25 minutes ago, manueljenkin said:

Well you seem to have a hypocritical approach whenever March audio is involved. Threads closed and March audio did violate the new guidelines you made a year ago.

Give me a break. Read this whole thread to see my displeasure with him.