GentooPlayer

[Auke]

4 minutes ago, naum said:

 Thank you, I tried mode 2 ramsystem and diretta target didn't work. Now I chose mode 6 and it works. What is difference between mode 6 and mode 6 light? What is used more often here on the forum?

If you use diretta target deselect all other software. Mode 1 or 2 should work i think. Don't know what 6 light does.

[Ikyo]

On 2/21/2024 at 7:44 PM, Wladimir said:

  

 

Hmm you might be right that the CAT7 cable put a lot of strain, just not on the "sound" or signal coming through that cable, but on the connector itself. And then through the resonances of the onboard RJ45 connector, the sound might appear it's sterile/edgy, but it's because of the resonances that this cable is transferring.
My latest prototype of LAN cable had imperfectly rotated plugs, so I needed to twist the cable (cat8.1 / solid 22AWG), which put unusual strain on the connector and got a little bit of what you're describing. So I tried to address the resonance of the connector and this issue is solved (to my own surprise I might add).

Also, have you cut the shield continuity to the endpoint with the Cat7 cable or not? IME, it's a necessity for RPI. I suppose that the 30y old cable probably doesn't have any shield and is relatively light, right?

 

 

Yes indeed, a massive difference. For me, the eye opener was getting the AQ Cinnamon some years ago. Here are some of the better cables I tried (along with the Sablon Audio you mentioned, AQ not here), others are gone or went straight to trash 😁 By my observations, the higher grade Cat (granted it's meticulously finished) gives me clearer / distinctively layered / more detailed sound, without sacrificing anything. All those measurements like attenuation, NEXT, FEXT, ACR, many others and shielding could really mean something, but I'm primarily listening, not measuring.

 

 

Now I'm testing some more Cat8 / 22AWG cables, then onto some more types of shielding (I have ordered a sample of shielding, which costs 1800 eur for MOQ 😅 ) or other functional sleeving, resonance control tweaks and some types of the best regarded ferrites.
Once I'm done (in about 2-3 months hopefully), would anyone be interested in trying out what I consider the best according to my thorough research?

 

 

I'm happy that you've made yourself a good sounding cable 👍 Just how did you come to conclusion that Logilink plugs won't fit your cable? I've fitted them onto the Cat8.1 / AWG22 cable from the same brand (Sommercable), so I find it hard to believe that it won't fit your Cat 6 / AWG23.

 

Hello Wladimir,

regarding your comments on Ethernet cables, It appear you are very experimented.

I agree with you, and cannot understand why I'l not able to use the MP0048 with the CAT6 sommer cable.

My point is about the sound restitution :

This latest week end, I spent more time than other days to deeper listen my system restitution, as, even I heard a quality jump with the new ethernet cables, I still noticed more mediums and highs than before. seem the system moved all the bandwidth to the highs.

it was specially noticeable on the females voices.

To confirm this, I decided to come back to the previous old (very old! ) ugly standard cat 5e cables.

All was obvious, the system came back to the proper bass/medium/highs location and less hisses on voices.

My question is about :

1 - Does the sommer cable cat6 mercator a good one our audio apps

2 - Does the "easy to plug" connectors good or not, compare to MP0048 or some equivalent.

 

I know many things subjective, but clear is the cable/connector influence. 

 

Do you have good recommandation, to restart on good basis.

Many thanks 

 

 

[naum]

I will try that when I buy Diretta. I'm still on the free version, testing. Can someone confirm that a license is not needed for diretta host (ASIO driver) on windows. Only for diretta target on gp?

[Auke]

3 minutes ago, naum said:

I will try that when I buy Diretta. I'm still on the free version, testing. Can someone confirm that a license is not needed for diretta host (ASIO driver) on windows. Only for diretta target on gp?

Only target needs a license

[Auke]

5 minutes ago, Ikyo said:

Hello Wladimir,

regarding your comments on Ethernet cables, It appear you are very experimented.

I agree with you, and cannot understand why I'l not able to use the MP0048 with the CAT6 sommer cable.

My point is about the sound restitution :

This latest week end, I spent more time than other days to deeper listen my system restitution, as, even I heard a quality jump with the new ethernet cables, I still noticed more mediums and highs than before. seem the system moved all the bandwidth to the highs.

it was specially noticeable on the females voices.

To confirm this, I decided to come back to the previous old (very old! ) ugly standard cat 5e cables.

All was obvious, the system came back to the proper bass/medium/highs location and less hisses on voices.

My question is about :

1 - Does the sommer cable cat6 mercator a good one our audio apps

2 - Does the "easy to plug" connectors good or not, compare to MP0048 or some equivalent.

 

I know many things subjective, but clear is the cable/connector influence. 

 

Do you have good recommandation, to restart on good basis.

Many thanks 

 

 

Some people dont like hardware Related stuf here, so there a other thread now

 

 

[chrisc]

I read Auke's post on 29th January

Looking at the various kernels, the recommended one is not on the list

No idea why not...

 

[Auke]

4 minutes ago, chrisc said:

I read Auke's post on 29th January

Looking at the various kernels, the recommended one is not on the list

No idea why not...

 

Gp update!!!

 

There is also a whole new gentooplayer version. Your probably still on 8.40

 

P.s read a bit further 6.1.54 stil my favorite

[chrisc]

No, its not that.  I looked

 

[Ikyo]

1 minute ago, Auke said:

Gp update!!!

 

P.s read a bit further 6.1.54 stil my favorite

I confirm on my system 6.1.54 also remain each time my favorite

[Progman]

1 ora fa, Naum ha detto:

Grazie, ho provato il ramsystem in modalità 2 e il target diretto non ha funzionato. Ora ho scelto la modalità 6 e funziona. Qual è la differenza tra la modalità 6 e la modalità 6 luce? Cosa viene utilizzato più spesso qui sul forum?

If you use Diretta in ramsystem you must also choose "modules" in the ramsystem options.

[antonellocaroli]

3 minutes ago, Progman said:

If you use Diretta in ramsystem you must also choose "modules" in the ramsystem options.

No, for the target...but only for the host

[Wladimir]

23 hours ago, Ikyo said:

Hello Wladimir,

regarding your comments on Ethernet cables, It appear you are very experimented.

I agree with you, and cannot understand why I'l not able to use the MP0048 with the CAT6 sommer cable.

My point is about the sound restitution :

This latest week end, I spent more time than other days to deeper listen my system restitution, as, even I heard a quality jump with the new ethernet cables, I still noticed more mediums and highs than before. seem the system moved all the bandwidth to the highs.

it was specially noticeable on the females voices.

To confirm this, I decided to come back to the previous old (very old! ) ugly standard cat 5e cables.

All was obvious, the system came back to the proper bass/medium/highs location and less hisses on voices.

My question is about :

1 - Does the sommer cable cat6 mercator a good one our audio apps

2 - Does the "easy to plug" connectors good or not, compare to MP0048 or some equivalent.

 

I know many things subjective, but clear is the cable/connector influence. 

 

Do you have good recommandation, to restart on good basis.

Many thanks 

 

 

Hi Ikyo,

yes it has been many times confirmed by countless users that different cables sound differently and perhaps no-one REALLY knows why. I can present certain theories, but in the end it's only your ears that should be the judge, so if you don't like the sound of it, look elsewhere. But also remember to put the cable through at least 150 hrs playtime before judging, plugs might require even more break-in (can't tell, as I don't use those). 

My personal take on Sommer Cable (CAT8) after the testing is that I don't like its signature neither, I find that it favors the upper mids/highs (slightly). It also looks like they use some kind of cheaper copper alloy, which is very prevalent nowadays (left on the photo) than some hardcore pure copper (sadly that cable on the right is discontinued).
 

 

Regarding the plugs, I already expressed my opinion that those field plugs in my experience contribute to the sound signature you described quite considerably, for which I dumped them and started using these simple ones, with just the bare minimum material between cable conductors and RJ45 connectors.
And it's not just my invention, I found this interesting idea on another forum from a different user, who claimed he tried dozens of cables with different plugs and came to this conclusion. 

On the other hand it's also worth pointing out that building a cable with these plugs could be tricky and requires more precision to achieve the best results. Few tips I recommend to follow:

1. Maintain the shielding of the individual pairs as far as possible (up to the threading aid)

2. Ensure the minimum possible overhang of the sorted (unshielded) conductors (above the threading aid) - around 3,5mm

3. Maintain the twist of the pairs as much as possible

And lastly, you don't have to put the whole cable jacket into the plug housing, perhaps that's the barrier you encountered when building with these plugs. Just strip a little bit more of the cable jacket and you're fine.

We can continue more elaborate discussion about the cables and everything in the new thread by Auke later, in the meantime I'll silently continue my work on incorporating and testing new ideas and exotic materials, how to further improve my current design.

[Ikyo]

2 hours ago, Wladimir said:

Hi Ikyo,

yes it has been many times confirmed by countless users that different cables sound differently and perhaps no-one REALLY knows why. I can present certain theories, but in the end it's only your ears that should be the judge, so if you don't like the sound of it, look elsewhere. But also remember to put the cable through at least 150 hrs playtime before judging, plugs might require even more break-in (can't tell, as I don't use those). 

My personal take on Sommer Cable (CAT8) after the testing is that I don't like its signature neither, I find that it favors the upper mids/highs (slightly). It also looks like they use some kind of cheaper copper alloy, which is very prevalent nowadays (left on the photo) than some hardcore pure copper (sadly that cable on the right is discontinued).
 

 

Regarding the plugs, I already expressed my opinion that those field plugs in my experience contribute to the sound signature you described quite considerably, for which I dumped them and started using these simple ones, with just the bare minimum material between cable conductors and RJ45 connectors.
And it's not just my invention, I found this interesting idea on another forum from a different user, who claimed he tried dozens of cables with different plugs and came to this conclusion. 

On the other hand it's also worth pointing out that building a cable with these plugs could be tricky and requires more precision to achieve the best results. Few tips I recommend to follow:

1. Maintain the shielding of the individual pairs as far as possible (up to the threading aid)

2. Ensure the minimum possible overhang of the sorted (unshielded) conductors (above the threading aid) - around 3,5mm

3. Maintain the twist of the pairs as much as possible

And lastly, you don't have to put the whole cable jacket into the plug housing, perhaps that's the barrier you encountered when building with these plugs. Just strip a little bit more of the cable jacket and you're fine.

We can continue more elaborate discussion about the cables and everything in the new thread by Auke later, in the meantime I'll silently continue my work on incorporating and testing new ideas and exotic materials, how to further improve my current design.

Hi, 

Many thanks for this detailed feedback. 

so good experience you have there. 

Once, I'll find a bit more time I'll retry the cable mounting following your recommendation.

all the best

 

[PML]

New kernels ! Cannot wait this evening to test !

[Wladimir]

Rpi 3B Diretta Target - 6.7.6 EUP100 key takeaways: Energetic, soulful... brilliant. And yeah, explosive bass™

This will be a loooong night, ó mama 😁

[PML]

I agree 6.7.6 is incredible on my side

[PML]

I have listen Yesterday the famous audiophile (and crazy) album http://www.6moons.com/musicreviews/2009_november/lafolia.html with 6.7.6 RT CTLO eup nor on Host and 6.7.6 non RT CTLO eup on Target, and it was an incredible expérience : like I never heard before...

[Steviewunda]

Can anyone offer a summary of the various flavors of kernels - RT, EUP, 100, NOR, etc. Can particular characteristics be assumed to accompany specific designations? Or is it purely a matter of suck it and see?

 

It would be nice if a particular type of kernel was known to, for instance, tame an inherently 'bright' system - or enhance a 'reserved' system, flesh out a 'thin' system, etc.

[PML]

43 minutes ago, Steviewunda said:

Can anyone offer a summary of the various flavors of kernels - RT, EUP, 100, NOR, etc. Can particular characteristics be assumed to accompany specific designations? Or is it purely a matter of suck it and see?

 

It would be nice if a particular type of kernel was known to, for instance, tame an inherently 'bright' system - or enhance a 'reserved' system, flesh out a 'thin' system, etc.

It would be nice ;-) but most of us have just one system and just test the better for his ears and his system... it would be quite difficult for me for example to explain if the kernel I choose is really an objective choice from a characteristic of my system or a flavor I prefer or just better sound in absolute... Antonello has never answer on this : it is really "suck it and see". Some of us say their preference but in fact there is no absolute consensus... On my side when I changed some aspect of hardware I changed some kernel or profile... Some people here made extensive testing with matrix of choice with Host and Target... Some of us keep their preferred kernel long time... When somebody here give it's preference I test it to see, some time with good surprise : for a long time I used just RT kernel and never tested (I don't know why) the non RT, and with discussion I finally tested it... I agree it would be nice to have a diagnosis tool matrix with System Issue / Kernel resolution... But difficult to be objective on this...

[Steviewunda]

1 hour ago, PML said:

It would be nice ;-) but most of us have just one system and just test the better for his ears and his system... it would be quite difficult for me for example to explain if the kernel I choose is really an objective choice from a characteristic of my system or a flavor I prefer or just better sound in absolute... Antonello has never answer on this : it is really "suck it and see". Some of us say their preference but in fact there is no absolute consensus... On my side when I changed some aspect of hardware I changed some kernel or profile... Some people here made extensive testing with matrix of choice with Host and Target... Some of us keep their preferred kernel long time... When somebody here give it's preference I test it to see, some time with good surprise : for a long time I used just RT kernel and never tested (I don't know why) the non RT, and with discussion I finally tested it... I agree it would be nice to have a diagnosis tool matrix with System Issue / Kernel resolution... But difficult to be objective on this...

Fair enough PML - I pretty much assumed what you have described, but decided to ask anyway 😉Thanks for your response.

Like you, I have only tried the RT kernels, and like you - I don't know why. Time to branch out 😉

Having said that, I AM enjoying the 6.7.6-GentooPlayer-RT-ULTRA-EUP100-TEST+ (no Diretta)

[Wladimir]

On 10/17/2023 at 11:09 PM, Wladimir said:

 

I'll tell you my understanding of the kernel versions acronyms, a lot of "deciphering" went into it.

 

EUP - EUPhory guaranteed (improving sense of space)

100 - 100% transparent (blacker background)

NOR - normalizing tonality (no more harshness / edginess)

 

Ofc as always, YMMV.

I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do 😁

Hey Stevie,

 

I did just that in a funny a few pages ago, but it was actually my serious conclusion after repeated listening tests (in my system anyway).

 

Note: According to admin, in non-RT kernels, "NOR" stands for NO-RCU now. So now EUP100 is previous EUP100NOR (as I understand it).

 

Also, you can tune the tonality with gpkernel parameters, I'm personally using 1,3,4.

[Audiophily]

4 minutes ago, Wladimir said:

Hey Stevie,

 

I did just that in a funny a few pages ago, but it was actually my serious conclusion after repeated listening tests (in my system anyway).

 

Note: According to admin, in non-RT kernels, "NOR" stands for NO-RCU now. So now EUP100 is previous EUP100NOR (as I understand it).

 

Also, you can tune the tonality with gpkernel parameters, I'm personally using 1,3,4.

Thanks so much for the clarification. Instead, what is the difference between CLTOs and non-CLTOs?

[PML]

21 minutes ago, Audiophily said:

Thanks so much for the clarification. Instead, what is the difference between CLTOs and non-CLTOs?

Clang — Gentoo Wiki

It's a linkage option in compilation process which have impact on kernel performance (as I understood)

It has impact on SQ

[Steviewunda]

And RCU? The Free Dictionary lists:

RCU	Respiratory Care Unit (various locations)
RCU	Remote Control Unit
RCU	Read Copy Update
RCU	Rack Controller Unit
RCU	Remote Control Utility
RCU	Regional Coordinating Unit
RCU	Royal Credit Union (various locations)
RCU	Research Coordinating Unit (various organizations)
RCU	Radio Control Unit
RCU	Remote Concentrator Unit
RCU	Requisition Control Unit (US Navy)
RCU	Radio Channel Unit
RCU	Regional Cadet Unit (Australia)
RCU	Refugee Coordination Unit (Nepal)
RCU	Room Control Unit
RCU	Rate Construction Unit
RCU	Retto Colite Ulcerosa
RCU	Radio Contact Underground (French Internet radio station)
RCU	Risk Control Unit (various companies)
RCU	Radar Control Unit
RCU	Revelar Connection Utility (Revelar, Inc.)
RCU	Reserve Component Unit
RCU	Remote Carrier Urban
RCU	Restrict Casual Use
RCU	Refrigeration Control Unit
RCU	Relocatable Code Unit
RCU	Ring Concentrator Unit
RCU	Residual Calibration Uncertainty
RCU	Rocket Countermeasure Unit
RCU	Remote Converter Unit
RCU	Rugby Club Uzetien (French rugby club)
RCU	Rapid Cooling Unit ........but I'm picking it's none of those?

[PML]

@congofather made a job of explanation of that some month ago...