Synergistic Research: SCAM

[botrytis]

30 minutes ago, DrT said:

My opinion of Ted Denney is solely based upon his thinking out of the box and inventing products that others have never thought of. His products work in the real world, but unfortunately are difficult to appreciate via Youtube videos and scientific explanation. Some of the effects are subtle, some obvious, but all add up to a positive improvement. I was a total skeptic, scoffed at the explanations, thought this was all voodoo & bs until hearing with my (& my wife's) ears. I have a very critical ear, my wife's even more so, and we've walked away from many audio products that did nothing more than placebo. I don't know how his stuff works - but it does; and I don't know of anyone besides Mr Denney who have done what he has. That is why I consider him a genius. You may not like him, I have never spoken with him and frankly don't care about his personality or likeability, but what we hear in our system, products invented & developed from his fertile mind, is beyond denial - and damn impressive.

His presentation is classic Snake oil salesman tactics. Sorry, just more BS sold to audiophiles based on fairy dust and magic, no science at all.

[botrytis]

On 6/15/2022 at 8:30 PM, DrT said:

Why is a demonstration in which a product is added, then removed, as proof of its effect "snake oil salesman tactics"?? ...and how does a money back guarantee stand with products based on "fairy dust and magic"? In a recent conversation with Gordon Rankin (another I consider a genius for his literal invention of digital audio) he related how Mpingo discs transformed the sound of one of his AXPONA rooms a few years ago. Mpingo discs, Shun Mook monks; ummmm okay ...yet a scientific & educated person like Mr Rankin attests that they do indeed work. Audio is a funny endeavor; it is very subjective (the polar opposite of objective). Two different audio components can scientifically measure the same, yet sound very different. How? Two people listen to the same piece of music and one loves it while the other considers it awful. With Synergistic Research products I merely appreciate what they've done in my system, in my listening room, with my ears. They optimized my system and took it to a much higher level.

BTW, I have no dog in this fight. Am not friends with anyone at SR, don't work in the audio biz, get nothing for my opinion (except attacks from the naysayers). I suspect much of the SR attacks are from those who either cannot afford their products or those that require a scientific explanation before they will accept what their ears are telling them. There is also the law of diminishing returns; a $7000 subwoofer will have a much more profound effect on the listening experience than a $7000 SR Vibratron - (so I suggest buying the Vibratron after you already have the sub...). 

Because 2 seconds is not enough time to judge anything. They are classic sales techniques to trick your brain into hearing more than is actually there.

[botrytis]

Not true about thesis writing, all are based on previous knowledge, hence why they have a literature review, as that ties back to previous research. I should know as I have wrote 2 Theses in my time as I have an MS and a PhD.

 

Also, no one says in a thesis, this is so new it can't be measured. That is BS. Same with their arguments.

[botrytis]

1 hour ago, DrT said:

boytrytis is grossly misinformed. The comparison tests I've witnessed at audio shows were several minutes with, followed by several minutes without, the device in question playing the same piece of music. The listening test at home is... thirty days. Of course if all of this is beyond your ability to afford, or your ability to evaluate, and either case really angers you, it really doesn't matter. 

This was done, THIS YEAR, at AXPONA. They did it exactly the way I described it. My wife will describe it even worse than I did.  I also know others who were with us that will describe it the way I did.

 

I don't care if anyone spends money with charlatans,  but don't push like it is some amazing invention because it is scientific nonsense.

 

 

[botrytis]

3 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

Here are few sources of noise that will benefit SQ when cleaned up

 

Wi-fi devices close to sensitive audio components

SMPSs on the mains supply

Poor quality power supplies

Oscillators (phase noise)

CPUs and Switching chip activity

Circuit board SMPSs

General cable and component leakage

General EMI in the environment 

Network traffic

 

 

Proof? Like measurements? In most cases, with sound measurements, our ears are not as sensitive as the measurement equipment (as this was how our ears evolved), same with electrical. Other senses, like touch, smell, taste, and sight, not so much as for example with sight, our eyes are more sensitive to blue light. The picture is a sample of the purified enzyme, I produced for my MS and PhD work. Even though you can see the blue plainly, the instrument (UV-Vis Spectrophotometer) is not as sensitive to these wavelengths as our eyes are. It is an old film pic from 1992-3, so the resolution is not as good, sorry, but you get my point.

 

 

 

[botrytis]

22 hours ago, Blackmorec said:

Hi Botrytis, 

Actually no I don't get your point at all. A UV/Vis spectrophotometer is usually employed to do absorbtion measurements based on shining monochromatic light from a source through a sample and a reference cell, one with and one without the solution to be measured and the differential is the absorption spectrum.  What does that have to do with the eye’s sensitivity to blue? 

 

As I explained, our eyes are more sensitive to blue colour than the instrument is, meaning the colours that come through are yellow and green which we are more sensitive to and makes even small amounts of blue easier to see with the naked eye.

[botrytis]

https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/audiophile-snake-oil

 

Just came out. WOW - he will need to get a fire proof suit.

[botrytis]

I think some of the equipment at AXPONA really pushed his buttons. There were many horrid rooms (some of the most expensive equipment too) and some were OK, a few were great. 

 

I just saw that and had post it here for some reactions. 

[botrytis]

11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’m all for expressing opinions, and I usually like reading John’s. This specific missive came off differently to me though. I felt like, just make the best stuff you can and sell it on how good you think it is rather than write some strange post about a bunch of other stuff you don’t like or agree with. 

 

That is why I said - WOW when I posted it - I was flabbergasted. He seemed angry and dismissive - not a good look. I wanted to know I was not the only one thinking that way.

[botrytis]

45 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’m all for expressing opinions, and I usually like reading John’s. This specific missive came off differently to me though. I felt like, just make the best stuff you can and sell it on how good you think it is rather than write some strange post about a bunch of other stuff you don’t like or agree with. 

 

More importantly, I put something up in the who you going to see in concert thread for you 😁

[botrytis]

11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Saw it and got jealous. I’ll be in Munich when they play MN. 

 

Just trying to share the wealth here - Have a great Trip to Munich. Ahh to be at the Audio show there. One year.