Sonicorbiter - The Operating System

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51 minutes ago, Cool3r King said:

This has all become very tedious! If you don't like the product, the company or feel that better is to be had elsewhere for possibly cheaper.... then guess what?  Go and buy said product! It really is that simple. Then those of us who are enjoying other products, which we have a right and free choice to do even if we want to pay through the nose for it, can do so without listening to constant and extensive bleating! 

There are many more worthwhile things to get upset over.... I have not commented until now, but am really, really, bored of it all. Please stop.

 

 

+1

 

This is a sponsored forum. These posters should take their gripes to a separate thread. JR would be perfectly within his rights to delete all these posts. This is his house so his rules apply.

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Hi Jesus,

 

In the USA, what will be the shipping method (USPS, UPS, FEDEX ...)? Just want to know what to look for.

 

Thanks

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Thanks JR,

 

I received my 2.5 card a few days ago. Push, click and out with the old. Push, click and in with the new. Re-discover, re-name and reset settings in Roon and I am playing music. No drama, and it sounds great. Seems very detailed, dynamic and full sounding.

 

Again Thanks,

 

Bob

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7 minutes ago, Cool3r King said:

In answer to this Jesus said 'No worries, press away'

Did you do that? What does it install if you press the update? I received my card just now and it's all installed and says the same thing. Can anyone tell me what happens if you do press the update please?

Thank you

No worries. It will only install updates to 2.5. BTW, there is a new one this AM.

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3 hours ago, vortecjr said:

I'm not going to post every change we make every time we make one. When I have something important to tell people I will post it here on CA. The plan is to provide the notices on dedicated thread. 

Great idea as this thread is getting shall we say "bloated'.

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This is a question for JR:

 

Is it possible for SO 2.5 to support ASIO as an output mode from ROON RAAT on my microRendu?

 

I ask because the ROON RAAT installation on my Win 10 PC which feeds my desktop system will output via ASIO to my BelCanto uLink and it sounds better than the WASAPI Exclusive mode which is the other option that is available for this private zone.

 

The BelCanto driver is installed on the PC and must have the ASIO ability as part of the driver. I do not know if Linux which is what SO 2.5 is based on even has support for ASIO or not.

 

I have another uLink in my main system so this would be a welcome option.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

 

BTW: SO 2.5 is great and an improvement over 2.3. Thanks for your and your team's hard work on this.

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2 hours ago, vortecjr said:

ASIO and WASAPI are for local playback on Windows. Linux uses ALSA and no need to load drivers on Windows or Mac to stream to our devices. 

 

Thanks, I gather from your reply that Linux is not compatible with ASIO which is what I suspected.

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41 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

Those are Windows applications and it doesn't need to be compatible because the audio output is taking place from the Linux operating system.  

 

Got it.   Thanks

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5 hours ago, bunno77 said:

Definitely connected to the same WiFi as pc and tablet. Turned off mobile network and used aeroplane mode. Still same issue. 

Can anyone else use this via Chrome on an Android phone? 

Works on my iPhone with Chrome (75.xxx)

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Jesus,

 

Is it possible to get an update to enable PCM 1.5xxx/DSD 1024 output from my uRendu? My Holo Spring 2 supports this and the HQPlayer NAA supports it. I would like to try the PCM 1.5 xxx option now and maybe the DSD 1024 option later if I ever build a server that could do it. The PCM 1.5xxx processing is within the ability of my current hardware. I am not sure if this is a software limitation of sonicOrbiter or a hardware limitation of the Rendu series.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

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1 hour ago, vortecjr said:

Have you tried it as is?

Jesus, Just tried it and distorted sound is all I can get. It does show the correct 1.5xxx as the incoming signal on the Spring 2. HQP and Roon are also showing the correct numbers so I would guess that the uRendu software or hardware is the problem. I thought I remembered that the Rendus topped out at 7xxx/512. I think I saw something about it in a post by Barrows recently. It is not a big deal as 7xxx PCM sounds great but I had just wanted to see if 1.5xxx PCM was any better.

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32 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

Your guess is as good as mine since I have no way to check it. Even if they were to send us a DAC Andrew at SGC would need to build a crazy machine just to try it. What other tests have you done with those rates? 

 

Anyway, let’s start by having a look at the output of Apps / DAC Diagnostics?

Holo Audio Holo Audio UAC2.0 Gen2 Standard at usb-ci_hdrc.1-1.1.1, high speed : USB Audio

Playback:
  Status: Running
    Interface = 1
    Altset = 1
    Packet Size = 1024
    Momentary freq = 1411200 Hz (0xb0.6666)
  Interface 1
    Altset 1
    Format: S32_LE
    Channels: 2
    Endpoint: 1 OUT (ASYNC)
    Rates: 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000, 705600, 768000, 1411200, 1536000
    Data packet interval: 125 us
  Interface 1
    Altset 2
    Format: S16_LE
    Channels: 2
    Endpoint: 1 OUT (ASYNC)
    Rates: 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000, 705600, 768000, 1411200, 1536000
    Data packet interval: 125 us
  Interface 1
    Altset 3
    Format: SPECIAL DSD_U32_BE
    Channels: 2
    Endpoint: 1 OUT (ASYNC)
    Rates: 44100, 48000, 88200, 96000, 176400, 192000, 352800, 384000, 705600, 768000, 1411200, 1536000
    Data packet interval: 125 us

access: RW_INTERLEAVED
format: S32_LE
subformat: STD
channels: 2
rate: 1411200 (1411200/1)
period_size: 7056
buffer_size: 28224

Simple mixer control 'Holo Audio Internal Clock Validity',0
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Holo Audio UAC2.0 Gen2 Standard  Playback S',0
  Capabilities: pswitch
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Mono:
  Front Left: Playback [on]
  Front Right: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Holo Audio UAC2.0 Gen2 Standard  Playback S',1
  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Mono: Playback [on]
Simple mixer control 'Holo Audio UAC2.0 Gen2 Standard  Playback V',0
  Capabilities: volume
  Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
  Limits: 0 - 127
  Front Left: 127 [100%]
  Front Right: 127 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Holo Audio UAC2.0 Gen2 Standard  Playback V',1
  Capabilities: volume volume-joined
  Playback channels: Mono
  Capture channels: Mono
  Limits: 0 - 127
  Mono: 127 [100%]

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Here it is. This is while playing 44.1 material from Tidal/Roon ( running on a Win 10/64 machine) up-sampled to 1.4112 PCM using HQPlayer (also running on the same Win 10/64 machine. There is music playing but it is garbled and distorted. Just to be clear, I cannot even try DSD 1024 and don't care about that. My machine will do DSD 256 just fine and DSD 512 if pushed but I actually prefer the sound of PCM to any DSD rate that I can do. When I play PCM 7xxx all works fine and sounds great. Thanks for looking at this but don't spend too much time on it as all I wanted to do was an experiment to see if PCM 1.5xx filtering was any better than PCM 7xx filtering. This is not anything critical. I do suspect that others may have similar questions about The ability to use these rates going forward.

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On 7/14/2019 at 12:04 AM, vortecjr said:

That is pretty cool. I wonder what they use to qualify those rates.

 

Tim at Holo/Kitsune is pretty sure that this would require a kernel update. Currently the only way is Windows/ASIO.

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1 hour ago, vortecjr said:

That doesn’t tell us what Kernel it requires or how they qualified it. This is not Windows or ASIO. I hope they qualified it on Linux and can tell us exactly what is required. 

I will have him contact you via PM.

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Jesus,

 

Just noticed that Jussi has updated the HQP NAA to 3.6. Will you be updating SonicOrbiter?

 

Thanks,

 

Bob

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13 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

We are currently working on SonicOribter 2.8 and all the apps will be updated for it. It will be available for purchase soon. When this work is complete we will look at circling back to the current version. We may or may not update the applications. Can’t make any promises.

Thanks

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2.8 ?

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Will 2.8 support 1.536 Mhz PCM/1024 DSD?

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45 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

I'm not aware of a limitation on this. I also have no way to test it.

I will test it and let you know when 2.8 is released. Currently 768 PCM/512 DSD is as high as my uRendu will go. My HOLO Spring 2 will do 1,536/1024 but my HQPlayer computer will only go to 512 DSD but 1.536 PCM is no problem. When I try 1.536 PCM now it is garbled. The likely problem is that the bitrate for 1.536 should be about 100 Mbps but 70 Mbps is all that gets thru. I have no idea where the bottle neck is. I will test the new kernel when I get it. This is not a big issue as 768 PCM is probably all that is needed. 

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2 minutes ago, vortecjr said:

Do you have a switch between the server and Rendu? If so, do you have flow control enabled? The opitcalRendu has a switch built in and set to support flow control by default. 

The uRendu and the server are both connected directly to the RTAC88U router with no switch in the middle.

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1 minute ago, vortecjr said:

It's hard to say if flow control is available on a router.   

There is no setting for flow control that I can find in the router. I did verify that it is activated on the server machine (Win 10/64/1909) PC. Let's see what happens with 2.8 when you have it ready. It could be the HQP NAA (there is a newer version) or the Linux kernel. I have not asked Jussi but I did ask Tim at Kitsune and he thought it was the Linux  kernel. He said that he has seen it before. Several months ago I suggested that you contact him about it. I forgot about it since then as it is ultimately not very important to me. I just thought that at some point down the road that it may become an issue for you. BTW, are we getting close on 2.8? If you want to send me a prior to release version of 2.8, I will test it for you or I will just wait for the release.

 

Thanks

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2 hours ago, simon_pepper said:

Yes, that listed "New modern Kernel, updated apps, return of Spotify (beta). I'm also trying to include Compact Disc Digital Audio Streaming as discussed here"

 

So kernel updates were made with the 2.5 update, which was physical delivery, but since then there was the 2.6 & 2.7 which were download based updates.

 

"updated apps" - which ones, and with what additional functionality/features?

 

With the replacement SD card with the 2.8 release at $29 plus shipping - what is included and what difference to an existing system will this update make?

 

What is the impact of not making paying for this update?

 

These details are normally covered in Release Notes - what bugs are fixed, what new functionality is introduced, what are the known renaming issues etc.

 

As I remember, 2.6 & 2.7 also required the replacement of the SD card. If everything is working fine for you, then don't upgrade.

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2 hours ago, simon_pepper said:

I had a SonicOrbiterSE which ran at 2.3 & update to 2.5 wasn’t supported, but added significant kernel updates.

I then upgraded this for an UltraRendu which came with 2.5, then 2.6 and 2.7 were downloaded via the Software Upgrade route.

 

So just trying to determine what is included with 2.8 and what is delivered for upgrade cost.

Simon

You probably are not going to get any more detail than what has already been provided so it will cost you $29 to try it out, but as I said, if everything is working fine then there is no urgent need for you to upgrade.

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4 hours ago, OldBigEars said:

Jesus, can you confirm clearly if there are any sonic improvements with 2.8, or is it only new features and functions? 

He never does that. He always leaves that judgement up to you the user.

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2 hours ago, OldBigEars said:

I’ll take that as a no, just smoke ‘n mirrors. Maybe some necessary bug fixes.  Nothing most will notice. 

Don't put words in my mouth.I have no relationship with Sonore. All I said is that in the past JR has never made a judgement call about sound quality when software upgrades come out. I personally thought that one of them did improve SQ but that was just my call. If there is a SQ improvement with 2.8 it is going to cost you $29 to find out. If everything works fine for you then no need for you to update to 2.8 right now. Hang around and see what we all report when we install 2.8. And, please, enough with the attitude.