cordobaman Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 My goal is to stream multichannel dsf files from my ethernet-connected PC using Foobar2000 with SACD plugin to my Marantz SR6009 AVR. Running into two problems. The Marantz indicates WAV for the dsf files. Also multichannel files only play LF and RF channels. Can someone suggest what might be happening or is it not possible to do this? I just purchased a QNAP NAS and intend to try using MinimServer. Will I have better luck this way or am I still washed up? If I am SOL both ways, any better methods to stream my MCH DSD files? Note that my HDMI-connected SACD player (set to bitstream output) DOES indicate pure DSD playback thru/by the AVR. The AVR's manual state that dsf is a compatible format via ethernet. Thanks for any help/suggestions. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 My goal is to stream multichannel dsf files from my ethernet-connected PC using Foobar2000 with SACD plugin to my Marantz SR6009 AVR. Running into two problems. The Marantz indicates WAV for the dsf files. Also multichannel files only play LF and RF channels. Can someone suggest what might be happening or is it not possible to do this?It is a limitation on the streaming capabilities of the Marantz and is common, so far, to the vast majority of AVRs and prepros. I continue to find it outrageous that such multichannel devices are so constrained with their network and, in most cases, USB inputs. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
Cebolla Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Cordobaman If you're certain your AVR is capable of netwok streaming mutichannel dsf files, then why don't you try installing and using MinimServer UPnP media server on the PC, instead of Foobar2000? It supports DSD files without any extra configuration and is much less klunky at setting up than Foobar2000 (to use as an UPnP/DLNA media server). Slightly worryingly, you didn't mention installing the foo_UPnP plugin required by Fb2k for UPnP/DLNA server duties for network streaming. Also, I'm not sure you even need the SACD plugin for Fb2k, since you don't need the PC to do any actual playback of DSD files, just provide the files for native playback on the AVR. However, I can't be certain as I've never used the foo_UPnP Fb2k UPNP media server for streaming DSD files myself. John We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
cordobaman Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share Posted October 11, 2014 Cordobaman If you're certain your AVR is capable of netwok streaming mutichannel dsf files, then why don't you try installing and using MinimServer UPnP media server on the PC, instead of Foobar2000? It supports DSD files without any extra configuration and is much less klunky at setting up than Foobar2000 (to use as an UPnP/DLNA media server). Slightly worryingly, you didn't mention installing the foo_UPnP plugin required by Fb2k for UPnP/DLNA server duties for network streaming. Also, I'm not sure you even need the SACD plugin for Fb2k, since you don't need the PC to do any actual playback of DSD files, just provide the files for native playback on the AVR. However, I can't be certain as I've never used the foo_UPnP Fb2k UPNP media server for streaming DSD files myself. John John-- Yes, I was using foo_UPnP plugin and able to stream flac, and the dsf files played as WAV. BUT...Thanks for the suggestion to try Minimserver on the PC. I am now able to stream stereo DSD files to the Marantz, it shows up as DSD 2.8224MHz, and sounds awesome! NOW the only issue is multichannel. When I try to play a multichannel dsf the Marantz app on my iPhone says "Cannot play file". Any suggestions on a Minimserver configuration that will enable multichannel? Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Any suggestions on a Minimserver configuration that will enable multichannel?Have you asked Marantz if they support multichannel streaming at all? Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
cordobaman Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 Have you asked Marantz if they support multichannel streaming at all? That is the next step. I also tried multichannel dsf with a USB flash drive and no-go there either. Looks like a limitation of the unit. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That is the next step. I also tried multichannel dsf with a USB flash drive and no-go there either. Looks like a limitation of the unit.That's what I said earlier. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
cordobaman Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yes you did! And I agree with your "outrageous" statement. Link to comment
Cebolla Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Indeed. The AVR's issue of reporting it can't play a particular type of music file certainly shouldn't have anything to do with configuring MinimServer, since its default setup doesn't do any transcoding, so definitely WYSIWYG. We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
realhifi Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Have you asked Marantz if they support multichannel streaming at all? What company (specific hardware) does support multichannel streaming? David Link to comment
Cebolla Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The Oppo 103/105 universal BD players supposedly do, see: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/oppo-bdp105-103-105d-what-formats-21211/ We are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us. -- Jo Cox Link to comment
Paul R Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It is a limitation on the streaming capabilities of the Marantz and is common, so far, to the vast majority of AVRs and prepros. I continue to find it outrageous that such multichannel devices are so constrained with their network and, in most cases, USB inputs. +1 -Paul Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 What company (specific hardware) does support multichannel streaming?I have been told that the latest Pioneer AVRs will do this but I cannot confirm that. Same for their new BD players. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
jf1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Apart from the lack of mch streaming, what do you think of this receiver? I'm thinking of getting one. Not sure if my oppo 105 can output streamed mch dsd (that it receives) over hdmi to this unit. Link to comment
cordobaman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I had a slim-line NR1602 prior to the SR6009, immediate noticeable improvement. The direct DSD is truly wonderful and easily superior to PCM (flac). Also the use of the remote apps on iPhone and Android work much better than on the previous receiver. If they would enable MCH DSD streaming it would be just about perfect for me. Link to comment
realhifi Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 +1 -Paul Just as a curiosity I'd love to know what files you and Kal are wanting to stream. By stream I suppose you mean playback over the network rather than pluging a device into the Marantz. David Link to comment
cordobaman Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Just as a curiosity I'd love to know what files you and Kal are wanting to stream. By stream I suppose you mean playback over the network rather than pluging a device into the Marantz. My interest is with MCH .dsf files. Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Just as a curiosity I'd love to know what files you and Kal are wanting to stream. By stream I suppose you mean playback over the network rather than pluging a device into the Marantz.??? I can stream all the files I care about (including MCH DSD) over ethernet to the two renderers (computers configured with JRMC) that I use. Pluging a device into my Marantz is not desirable to me because their limited capacity. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
realhifi Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 ??? I can stream all the files I care about (including MCH DSD) over ethernet to the two renderers (computers configured with JRMC) that I use. Pluging a device into my Marantz is not desirable to me because their limited capacity. Whoa. I think you took my list the wrong way. I was genuinely interested in what specific music was available for streaming in multi channel format. Sorry for confusion. David Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Whoa. I think you took my list the wrong way. I was genuinely interested in what specific music was available for streaming in multi channel format. Sorry for confusion.Oh. OK. I have about 4.5Tb of MCH DSD files, mostly classical, from many sources. There are a few threads here about sources for these. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
realhifi Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Oh. OK. I have about 4.5Tb of MCH DSD files, mostly classical, from many sources. There are a few threads here about sources for these. Thanks for the direction on that. David Link to comment
wappinghigh Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 The Oppo 103/105 universal BD players supposedly do, see:http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/oppo-bdp105-103-105d-what-formats-21211/ Sure. Just not gapless. Or via UPnP am I still correct on this? New simplified setup: STEREO- Primary listening Area: Cullen Circuits Mod ZP90> Benchmark DAC1>RotelRKB250 Power amp>KEF Q Series. Secondary listening areas: 1/ QNAP 119P II(running MinimServer)>UPnP>Linn Majik DSI>Linn Majik 140's. 2/ (Source awaiting)>Invicta DAC>RotelRKB2100 Power amp>Rega's. Tertiary multiroom areas: Same QNAP>SMB>Sonos>Various. MULTICHANNEL- MacMini>A+(Standalone mode)>Exasound e28 >5.1 analog out>Yamaha Avantage Receiver>Pre-outs>Linn Chakra power amps>Linn Katan front and sides. Linn Trikan Centre. Velodyne SPL1000 Ultra Link to comment
wappinghigh Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I have been told that the latest Pioneer AVRs will do this but I cannot confirm that. Same for their new BD players. Kal, has Pioneer dropped multichannel analog inputs on these latest receivers? Wap New simplified setup: STEREO- Primary listening Area: Cullen Circuits Mod ZP90> Benchmark DAC1>RotelRKB250 Power amp>KEF Q Series. Secondary listening areas: 1/ QNAP 119P II(running MinimServer)>UPnP>Linn Majik DSI>Linn Majik 140's. 2/ (Source awaiting)>Invicta DAC>RotelRKB2100 Power amp>Rega's. Tertiary multiroom areas: Same QNAP>SMB>Sonos>Various. MULTICHANNEL- MacMini>A+(Standalone mode)>Exasound e28 >5.1 analog out>Yamaha Avantage Receiver>Pre-outs>Linn Chakra power amps>Linn Katan front and sides. Linn Trikan Centre. Velodyne SPL1000 Ultra Link to comment
wappinghigh Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 So are we still stuck for the perfect multichannel/streaming AVR/player? Oppo No gapless DSD ?? Marantz No multichannel DSD ?? Pioneer No 5.1 analog inputs... ?? Denon same as Marantz and Pioneer?? New simplified setup: STEREO- Primary listening Area: Cullen Circuits Mod ZP90> Benchmark DAC1>RotelRKB250 Power amp>KEF Q Series. Secondary listening areas: 1/ QNAP 119P II(running MinimServer)>UPnP>Linn Majik DSI>Linn Majik 140's. 2/ (Source awaiting)>Invicta DAC>RotelRKB2100 Power amp>Rega's. Tertiary multiroom areas: Same QNAP>SMB>Sonos>Various. MULTICHANNEL- MacMini>A+(Standalone mode)>Exasound e28 >5.1 analog out>Yamaha Avantage Receiver>Pre-outs>Linn Chakra power amps>Linn Katan front and sides. Linn Trikan Centre. Velodyne SPL1000 Ultra Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Kal, has Pioneer dropped multichannel analog inputs on these latest receivers? Wap I have no idea but I am sure the info is on their website. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
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