Popular Post Solus Posted November 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2022 I’ve used Sonore’s opticalRendu streamer on a daily basis for the past 16 months. It’s provided me with lots of satisfaction, so I’d like to share my experience here. The opticalRendu (oRendu henceforth) is “a Roon Ready network player and network streamer that turns your USB DAC into a network DAC, delivering a clean and highly-revealing sound”. I quote the makers here to (a) relate their definition of the product and (b) preface my findings as a listener. This high-end streamer justifies its substantial cost with truly excellent sonic performance. I listen primarily to acoustic jazz and classical music, streamed from Tidal via the Roon interface (which I adore). My primary system is in a dedicated, acoustically treated loft (12’ x 23’ x 9.5’) that is windowless but open on one end: facing sloping skylights above the living level below. My loft system consists of: Small Green Computer’s STi5 music server; the oRendu with systemOptique ancillaries and In-Akustic USB cable; Gustard’s R26 DAC; Rogue’s original Pharoah amp; and Duevel’s Bella Luna radial speakers (which sound great in this room, but don’t work in my wildly asymmetrical living area). Puritan’s PS106-DC power purifier cleans up electricity for all components. Ethernet cable is from BlueJeans Cable (using shorter runs for better coherence), while Grover Huffman’s Pharoah interconnect (RCA, 1m) and Zx speaker wire (3m) serve further down the chain. The value of these components new is on the order of US$20,000. Together they provide the best sound I’ve had at home over 30 years in the hobby. I put that down to growth in my experience and knowledge (supported by increased communication with other enthusiasts), increased disposable income, and the availability of a good room for dedicated use. I don’t use my phono section much anymore and won’t describe it here. But I will note that the attainable sound quality of streamed music, vast libraries online, superior ease of use and low cost of music have all combined to make me lose interest in vinyl and focus my attention and resources on digital. My experience with streamers began in 2018, when I tested Google’s Chromecast audio receiver as an alternative to streaming out of my MacBookPro over Lifatec optical cable to my DAC. Around the same time I signed up for Roon and acquired my first and only music server (the STi5). As primitive as the Chromecast puck is, it sounded easier and more enjoyable than what came out of my computer. It also proved to me that untethered control devices are much more practical and convenient. Hence I went onto the used market to pick up Sonore’s original Signature Series Rendu streamer (c. 2015), which outputs via I2S or SPDIF via BNC. This (using SPDIF) brought a big jump in performance – even on Chord’s relatively modest Mojo DAC – and taught me that whatever handles the digital signal feeding the DAC is as important as the DAC itself. Many audiophiles, including some professional and semi-professional reviewers, are still learning about this: despite the fact that stand-alone DACs have been common for over a decade, and streaming now appears to be the most popular way of listening to music. In 2019 I bought Bluesound’s Node 2i for my second system: bypassing its indifferent DAC for use as a streamer only. With its inferior power supply it lacks the warmth and organic presence of the original SSR. But with streaming circuitry developed a few years later – in a time of rapid advancement in that field – the Node 2i is equal in resolution and better spatially, with better bass. From this point I decided to invest in the best streamer that I could afford from Sonore, as a manufacturer that I’d come to trust. Hence I purchased the oRendu online from Small Green Computer, a closely allied company. In this review I treat the Node 2i streamer (using SPDIF via coax) as a primary point of reference: first because I’m very familiar with it and have it on hand for direct comparison; and second because it loosely represents the current entry level of performance in audiophile streamers. (Reportedly the current Bluesound Node offers the same streaming performance as the Node 2i.) I’m thinking here of readers who may be trying to decide if a streamer upgrade will be worthwhile for them. Sonore itself offers more affordable ethernet-to-USB streamers including the well-regarded ultraRendu; but I haven’t (to my knowledge!) heard those products. Here are my notes from a direct A/B comparison of the oRendu and the Bluesound Node 2i in my primary system. The oRendu is completely noiseless with a black background. By contrast, the Node2i has a very fine layer of noise. Its resolution, transient acuity and dynamic contrasts are all reduced in comparison with the oRendu. The better the recording, the more evident are the performance differences. Overall, the oRendu sounds more pure, potent and accurate, and provides a more compelling and involving listening experience. During this A/B comparison, I was surprised at how well the Node 2i stood up in view of its much lower cost and simpler form factor. But listening to sounds in an A/B test is not the same as listening to music in a relaxed frame of mind. After 40 minutes of comparative testing I took a break and then returned to regular listening for musical enjoyment. Now I was surprised not at how well the Node 2i stood up, but rather at how much more I enjoyed music through the oRendu. Without any reservations or qualifications, its performance in my primary system is clearly and obviously much better. Still the value question remains. For whom is the oRendu worth the money? A high-end streamer is a no-brainer for wealthy enthusiasts who stream music; but those of us living on ordinary earnings or fixed incomes might need to be more careful. The answer to this question obviously depends on the overall quality of the entire system. The oRendu represents a solid investment for someone with a very good DAC and downstream components. But it’s not such a good investment when matched with entry-level audiophile equipment. In particular, the better the DAC, the more it deserves and will reward a streamer of the oRendu’s pedigree. The superior performance of the oRendu was audible on the Chord Mojo, but not worth the large premium over a streamer like the Bluesound Node 2i. Conversely, using an entry-level streamer with a DAC costing e.g. $5,000 likely wouldn’t make good sense or represent a balanced investment. This principle of commensurate quality is well known among audiophiles, and I don’t want to belabour the point; but I will substantiate my conclusions in this paragraph. Over the past four years I’ve progressed in DACs from Chord Mojo to Schitt Gungnir Multibit V to Denafrips Pontus2 to Gustard R26. Typically I’ve had two or three of these DACs in rotation in two systems for a few weeks or months at a time. The superior performance of the oRendu became increasingly obvious and meaningful as I scaled the ladder of DAC cost, engineering and results. (I find the R26 DAC to be substantially better than Pontus2 in overall sound quality. But while R26 draws my attention outward to the full scope and beauty of music, Pontus2 uncannily pulls my attention inward: inviting me to attend to my response, and leading me into a contemplative state. So I believe that some listeners will prefer the Pontus2 despite its more modest sonic proficiency; and I’m happy to keep mine in my second system. In any case, there’s no doubt that the oRendu reveals the divergent sound characteristics of these mid-priced DACs very clearly.) When I bought the oRendu I knew that it outclassed my best DAC, but intended to improve the DAC afterward. I’ve since done that twice, and am pretty sure I can further upgrade my DAC without outclassing the oRendu. I played it this way in view of the source-first principle, which seems to work in dynamic tension with the principle of commensurate quality. My point here is that a streamer is actually a source component, so that an audiophile’s choice of streamer should take account of its particular sound quality as well as its functionality and connectivity. This is obvious to many enthusiasts but apparently not to all. Those who like to take skeptical “bits is bits” postures will get the sound quality they deserve, while the rest of us can move on to fabulous digital playback. Are there reasons not to buy the oRendu? Initially I was concerned, as a non-technical person, about undue technical complexity involving several tiny boxes. In practice this hasn’t been an issue. I like being able to easily place (and hide) the tiny boxes, and take advantage of the optical cable with a long and penalty-free run from server to the streamer. Does this system operate reliably? My experience has been that it does. This doesn’t stop network issues and Roon issues from coming up. But I’ve had fewer glitches – and more stable network and Roon performance – compared with the other streaming solutions I’ve used. Is qualified technical support available for set-up and troubleshooting? The answer to this is a resounding Yes. The principals of Sonore and Small Green Computer stand 100% behind their products, and typically respond to requests for assistance and advice within 1-4 hours. I’ve never had a problem they didn’t help me solve on a timely basis, including streaming issues not caused by their products. Andrew Gillis has also advised me on choice of ethernet cable and switch, and guided me in replacing a wifi extender with a homeplug adapter. Jesus Rodriguez even helped me answer technical questions from prospective buyers of my old SSR. All of this is a big deal for a non-technical audiophile like me, given the technical demands of developing a high-performance network-driven system. And having direct access to top-level designers is nothing to sneeze at for any serious audiophile. Of course there are several alternatives in high-end streamers. I’m not at all qualified to comment on those; but I can comfortably say that I’ve no doubts or regrets about using the oRendu and systemOptique in my primary system. I don’t really listen to rock but can confidently tell you that it rocks! – end – llatpoh76, ShawnC, muski and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
llatpoh76 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 This is an excellent write up, thanks for sharing your experiences, very helpful. What homeplug adapter are you using? Link to comment
sandston Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Have you tried the ethernet in on your Gustard R26 DAC? This gets rid of the need for the Optical Rendu altogether. I just oicked up the R26 for a second system and run run the ethernet straight into it with a dedicated roon server on an old MacMini. Pretty impressed with this running into a Wilsenton R8 with some Electrovoice Senty III speakers. My primary system has two etherregens in series into an optical rendu. Both rendus have AfterDark clocks and are powered by high end linear power supplies all around. This all running to a Terminator 2 dac. Once the Gustard is burned in I am curious to see how it fares against the T2 with and without all the ethernet toys in front. EtherRegen powered by Sonore UltraCap LPS1.2 -> Optical Cable ->OpticalRendu powered by SGC 50w LPS -> Ghent silver plated ->star quad USB (JSSG360)->Denafrips Hermes DDC -> i2S HDMI (Clocked by Terminator Dac via BNC)->Denafrips Terminator II Dac->Linear Tube Audio Preamplifier->Melody 845M Monoblocks -> Silversmith Fidelium Speaker Cables->Pure Audio Project Trio15 Coaxial Open Baffle Speakers->2X SVS 4000 Subwoofers->All connected to PSAudio P10 Power Plant Link to comment
Solus Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Ilatpoh76, my homeplug is TP-Link AV600 Powerline Ethernet Adapter (TL-PA4010 KIT) per Andrew's recommendation. Seems to work faultlessly. Vastly better than a wifi extender. Sandston, I did try the ethernet input on the Gustard R26 DAC. It sounded very proficient sonically without being clinical or over-analytic, but still I found I wasn't connecting to the music on a gut level (especially noticeable on vocals). Once I got the oRendu working into the Gustard's USB input everything felt much better. I should note that I tried this during the initial stages of burning in the DAC, so I will compare its USB vs. ethernet performance again at some point. But I suspect the Gustard's onboard facility doesn't really rival the oRendu for sound quality. /// I don't know about the etherregen but will definitely check it out. /// I'm really curious about Soundnews' claim that the R26 rivals Denafrips's Terminator DACs. Cool that you are in a position to test that! Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 You don't get very much for your money with the Sonore products do you? It always puts me off spending my money on them. Tiny little boxes that require separate quality LPSU to work at their best. For the cost of an Optical Rendu and LPSU there are a multitude of beautiful and capable transports. I'd like to listen to one in my system to see what the fuss is about, but I'm not sure I'd feel much pride of ownership and that's important when spending £2K on anything in life. Link to comment
Da Horsey Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 This is a thoughtful and detailed review providing important context. It's definitely chock full of insight from actual experience comparing different DACs and giving some context that is useful to others. Would be curious is the Node got a similar galvanic treatment coming from a router just with a couple of media converter boxes with fiber. I've set that up (with a 5v lps into both) and am very impressed by the improvement on my sensitive system. Was also curious about the Sonora options more along the lines of an UltraRendu but that's not in the cards right now. What I've done is use Aurdivana 2.1 from may M1 MacBook Air as the base to a 2011 Mac Mini which is rigged with the fiber and media converters. Wanted to use the Mac Mini as a "Sonore" type device and installed JRiver so the laptop can "see" it. Not only did it work; it's working the best ever. The fiber with converter boxes was a very nice jump. Now, it's taken another leap. I'm curious about the new Wiim Pro streamer coming later this month. I will test it with the fiber and media converter boxes. It could prove interesting if nothing else. Thanks again for the shared insights here. Link to comment
Boulder Bob Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just found this post - I have been enjoying my opticalRendu for about 6 months. I previously had a microRendu and wasn't happy even though I was using the galvanic isolation with two media convertors. I take my feed off of my router with a 60 foot long Cat 6 ethernet cable because our router is in a different part of the house than my listening room. I thought about using a homeplug and have used them in the past but I feel they introduce noise onto the power line. My "expert" on networking says there is no loss on a 60 foot run of Cat 6. It did cost me $200 to have him make the run but I feel it worth it, even if it's just the placebo effect. The first thing the ethernet cable goes into is a commercial grade CISCO Switch that I bought on eBay for $80. My music sounds "better" with the router in the chain. More musical? Slightly better clarity and sound stage? Hard to describe but it's there. I know there are much more expensive switches out there that are above my budget. The ethernet cable goes into a tp-link MC200L media converter - $20. It's powered by a Small Green Computer LPS, $189. So far no expensive cables. I tried a $400 ethernet cable and did not hear a difference. I come out of the tp-link with a garden variety fiber optic cable into the opticalRendu. I am powering the opticalRendu with another SGC Power Supply. Coming out of the opticalRendu with a fancy USB cable purchased from Small Green Computer - IN-AKUSTIK. Sounded better to me than a basic cable and an Audioquest cable. Now here comes another little box, thanks to Tom Gibbs. Douk Audio U2 Pro ($65) - converts the USB to I2S. I have an I2S input on my Gustard x26 pro DAC. I'm using ANOTHER SGC power supply for the U2. Again, a small but hearable improvement. If anyone has an I2S (HDMI) input on their DAC I recommend giving it a try. I tried an expensive HDMI cable but it didn't sound any better than an 8K cable I bought on Amazon. I look at all these little black boxes and say: "How can this be better?" - but it is to my ears. I've also recently added an Afterdark clock to my Gustard. BIG DIFFERENCE. Here's the rest of my system: Schitt Freya+ preamp (I'm coming out of the Gustard balanced). Bryston 7B ST monoblocks. Magnepan Tympani ID speakers. (I have an analog front end also). I'm accessing Qobuz with the mconnect app on my iPad. I tried Roon and loved the interface but it didn't sound any better to me. The mconnect HD interface on an iPad is quite good. The multi room thing is not meaningful to me. Also - I have a USB drive with a few hundred WAV files - ripped CDs. the drive shows up on mconnect when I connect it to the USB input on my router. I can play these files and they sound good, although I have to play one song at a time. This isn't a big deal to me as almost everything have ripped is on Qobuz and almost always the Qobuz tracks sound "as good as" the files on the drive. It's kind of liberating to not have any computers. I did my DAC comparisons when I still had the microRendu. I started with a first generation Schiit Bifrost, and tried a Chord Qutest, Benchmark and Gustard x16. Decided the x26 improvement was subtle, but I spent the extra money. Pretty easy to try stuff when you buy it on Amazon! (not that I don't support and appreciate my local shops!) So - address the initial premise of this thread: I'm very happy with the performance of the opticalRendu and like the idea of being able to achieve galvanic isolation without another little box - my system is very musical now and my digital rig sound compares well to my analog. I have questions - why would I want a "streamer"? What would it do for me? Solus, did you consider an x26? Since you're not using the ethernet input it would seem to be a good alternative. DuckToller 1 Link to comment
DuckToller Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 18 hours ago, Boulder Bob said: Just found this post - I have been enjoying my opticalRendu for about 6 months. I previously had a microRendu and wasn't happy even though I was using the galvanic isolation with two media convertors. I take my feed off of my router with a 60 foot long Cat 6 ethernet cable because our router is in a different part of the house than my listening room. I thought about using a homeplug and have used them in the past but I feel they introduce noise onto the power line. My "expert" on networking says there is no loss on a 60 foot run of Cat 6. It did cost me $200 to have him make the run but I feel it worth it, even if it's just the placebo effect. The first thing the ethernet cable goes into is a commercial grade CISCO Switch that I bought on eBay for $80. My music sounds "better" with the router in the chain. More musical? Slightly better clarity and sound stage? Hard to describe but it's there. I know there are much more expensive switches out there that are above my budget. The ethernet cable goes into a tp-link MC200L media converter - $20. It's powered by a Small Green Computer LPS, $189. So far no expensive cables. I tried a $400 ethernet cable and did not hear a difference. I come out of the tp-link with a garden variety fiber optic cable into the opticalRendu. I am powering the opticalRendu with another SGC Power Supply. Coming out of the opticalRendu with a fancy USB cable purchased from Small Green Computer - IN-AKUSTIK. Sounded better to me than a basic cable and an Audioquest cable. Now here comes another little box, thanks to Tom Gibbs. Douk Audio U2 Pro ($65) - converts the USB to I2S. I have an I2S input on my Gustard x26 pro DAC. I'm using ANOTHER SGC power supply for the U2. Again, a small but hearable improvement. If anyone has an I2S (HDMI) input on their DAC I recommend giving it a try. I tried an expensive HDMI cable but it didn't sound any better than an 8K cable I bought on Amazon. I look at all these little black boxes and say: "How can this be better?" - but it is to my ears. I've also recently added an Afterdark clock to my Gustard. BIG DIFFERENCE. Here's the rest of my system: Schitt Freya+ preamp (I'm coming out of the Gustard balanced). Bryston 7B ST monoblocks. Magnepan Tympani ID speakers. (I have an analog front end also). I'm accessing Qobuz with the mconnect app on my iPad. I tried Roon and loved the interface but it didn't sound any better to me. The mconnect HD interface on an iPad is quite good. The multi room thing is not meaningful to me. Also - I have a USB drive with a few hundred WAV files - ripped CDs. the drive shows up on mconnect when I connect it to the USB input on my router. I can play these files and they sound good, although I have to play one song at a time. This isn't a big deal to me as almost everything have ripped is on Qobuz and almost always the Qobuz tracks sound "as good as" the files on the drive. It's kind of liberating to not have any computers. I did my DAC comparisons when I still had the microRendu. I started with a first generation Schiit Bifrost, and tried a Chord Qutest, Benchmark and Gustard x16. Decided the x26 improvement was subtle, but I spent the extra money. Pretty easy to try stuff when you buy it on Amazon! (not that I don't support and appreciate my local shops!) So - address the initial premise of this thread: I'm very happy with the performance of the opticalRendu and like the idea of being able to achieve galvanic isolation without another little box - my system is very musical now and my digital rig sound compares well to my analog. I have questions - why would I want a "streamer"? What would it do for me? Solus, did you consider an x26? Since you're not using the ethernet input it would seem to be a good alternative. @Boulder Bob A streamer would theoretically receive the signal per Wi-Fi/Ethernet and forward it to the DAC, it would be controlled by the IPAD. Actually, your OR is a designated network streamer, thus you are already using one (perhaps not all of its functionalities)... Edit: a streamer may pull media from local network sources like a NAS and forward them to the DAC. Link to comment
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