I have had it with Roon, their lack of support, their user forum, and it's users...

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4 minutes ago, Jud said:

and the DAC to be connected via USB

… it can discover upnp endpoint too, when I tried it I could play to my SOTM sMS-200 and to and rpi4 with RoPieee XL with UPNP/DLNA enabled

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9 hours ago, Richard Dale said:

it works just fine with client apps BubblePnP on Android and MconnectHD on iPadOS

It works because those apps do manage login to Qobuz and not MPD/Upmpdcli, you can verify it by sweeping off the app … streaming will stop.

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On 9/6/2021 at 11:42 AM, Miska said:

ALAC is practically Apple-only format not really used on any other platforms. Goes into same category as WMA on Windows. There are good truly open source cross-platform lossless formats such as FLAC and WavPack which are both supported by HQPlayer. And as they are all lossless, you can losslessly convert between these formats.

That’s true but having thousands of Alac files it could be a very tedious and time consuming task converting them, I agree that a conversion can be easily done in batch way but you loose metadata (for example XLD do not respect embedded metadata)

JRiver, Audirvana, MinimServer, moOde, Volumio and many other players on different OS do not have any difficulty with them … should be fine if you could reconsider your point of view

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My opinion is that the perception of sound also depends on other factors.
For example, for me Roon sounds badly because the management of the classical music library is bad, the worst I’ve ever found, a total mess, I can't find what I look for because metadata are completely wrong, a real disaster.

It goes a little better Audirvana, but here the search is complicated due to the filters that cannot be reset immediately and then there are still too many bugs, the database integrity is still very critical, ergonomics is still to be improved.
The best result ever is when I use Minimserver with HQPlayer Embedded, in this case navigation for metadata is perfect, with Lumïn app I can easily do cross references on artists, conductors, orchestras and so on starting from what I’m listening to and the sound is exceptional.

When there are mess or bugs mood becomes the worst and this hits your perception of everything.

To give an example about the metadata mess of Roon these are the corresponding works I find for Mozart’s Die Zauberflöte:

Die Zauberflöte 

Die zauberflöte

Die Zauberflote 

Die zauberflote

Act1

Act2

Act3

this is totally unacceptable.

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3 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

Really ?

While something can be subjective the Roon mess on metadata, look the example, is objective 

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… the right name of the work, from Köchel's Catalog of Mozart's Works, is

Opera (Grosse Oper) "Die Zauberfloete", K.620

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No, I tried Roon one year ago and that was enough …

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It's not my job testing software, if when I have the opportunity to try it it doesn't work for me it doesn't work ... after all a year ago Roon was mature enough and if it still had similar defects it was to be discarded.

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6 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

Linking roon SQ to roon metadata management seems just be weird to me and a bit disconnected.

When mess breaks the mood there is nothing to do … we are looking for something easy to use and without bugs or mess and we want a relaxing experience not a fight against mess and bugs

 

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48 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

This is link to your own brain and mindset

In fact, they are fundamental to the liking of something … it is like trying a car whose engine runs three cylinders of four but it has a lot of gadgets … discarded

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1 minute ago, R1200CL said:

Well, it seems the Minimserver has evolved the last year as well

Not in strictly functional features … just some useful add on, for now.

Metadata management and “intelligent browsing” were working without any issue on version 1 too …

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6 hours ago, Mauidj7 said:

Suggestions for a robust and great sounding replacement please.

Daphile is another option (and it’s free), it’s a sort of Logitech Media Server/Squeezelite optimized version, it needs a dedicated pc (x86 only) and it’s very easy to install, it can run from usb stick. Thanks to C-3PO plugin you can upsample to PCM/DSD, in this case it’s better to run a two layer setup: Daphile as server and Squeezelite as client (can be a raspberry pi4 running RoPieeeXL/Squeezelite). The library management is the the same of LMS. You can use iPeng, iOS/iPadOS only, as remote control app, it has a better UI than the original Daphile one.

 

A perfect setup for HQPlayer embedded is to use it as an UPNP renderer running  Minimserver as library manager and using (on tablet/smartphone) control points apps like Bubbleupnp, MConnect, Lumïn, Linn, Linn Kazoo depending on mobile device OS (Android or iOS/iPadOS). Minimserver can run on Windows, macOS and Linux, can run on a Nas too (better Qnap or Synology).

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@steveoat you should give a try to Minimserver… if you have the patience and consistency to manage metadata and artwork you can get what you want.

here some examples using Lumïn app

 

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10 minutes ago, steveoat said:

The question is how to have individual art to show for each CD in a box set.  How do you do this?

I’ll post detailed instructions tomorrow …

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@steveoatHow to display in Minimserver different artworks for each disc in a multidisc/box album.

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For first you need to manage the SET SUBTITLE tag, each disc (and all tracks of each disc) of a box should have its own metadata.

Tag editor sw can manage it, I use Yate/2manyrobots on macOS, you should check in you tag editor which name is used to map SET SUBTITLE.

Then you need to find the artworks for each disc of the box, once done embed the artwork in all tracks/files of each disc, and put the .jpg artwork file inside the folder of the multidisc album.

These are the .jpg files in the previous posted multidisc album (in the list there is a booklet.pdf file too but you can ignore it):

You need to put the album (box) artwork .jpg inside the same folder too.

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Disc and album .jpg should be named exactly as the the names used in SET SUBTITLE tag and Album tag. Be aware of special characters, here you can find which they are and how to manage them:

https://minimserver.com/ug-library.html#Artwork
https://minimserver.com/ug-library.html#Illegal filename characters

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MinimServer uses a special tag named DISCSUBTITLE to obtain the results shown in my previous post

In order to remap/rename SET SUBTITLE into DISCSUBTITLE you need to use the aliasTags property as follows:

aliasTags = SET SUBTITLE:DISCSUBTITLE 

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Should you like to browse into subtitles you need to add in indexTags property DISCSUBTITLE:Album Subtitles where Album Subtitles can be a name of your choice

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You should set Album tag too in indexTags property.

Once you’ve done this you’ll obtain the “root” view of Minimserver in Lumïn app as follows (red and yellow boxes)

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That’s all … should you need some more help feel free to ask 

 

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@steveoatto use HQPlayer embedded with Lumïn app you need Bubbleupnpserver that can be installed on the same pc/nas where Minimserver is running.

It is needed as Lumïn app needs OpenHome compatibility and Bubbleupnpserver can provide it.

To configure HQPlayer embedded in Bubbleupnpserver is very easy, once installed reach the configuration page using ip-address:58050 where ip-address is the ip address of the pc/nas where Bubbleupnpserver is running, select Media Renderers tab and configure the HQPlayer entry

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and you’ll find it in Lumïn 

 

 

 

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@steveoatI use Hqplayer OS, just burn a usb stick with Balena Etcher and boot from usb ... done ... and no headache ...

You can get it from here, chose the one compatible with your pc: avx2 or sse42 depending on if your pc has support for avx2 or not

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24 minutes ago, steveoat said:

Thanks Stefano.  I will be using a 13th generation intel core i9.  Does this support avx2 or sse42.  Thanks.

It is ok with avx2, sse42 is for old cpu only

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@steveoat … to reach HQPlayer embedded configuration page use in your browser:

• hqplayer.local
• http://hqplayer.local
• ip-address (your pc ip address)

depending on you browser.

you’ll be requested for user and password:

user: hqplayer

password: password

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5 minutes ago, jvvita said:

Two other notes:

- sometimes, I have difficulties using the default login and password. The easiest way is to login in the machine running hqplayer and change username and password. To do this, run hqplayerd -s followed by your login and password of choice. Let's say you want admin as login and music as password. You would run hqplayerd -s admin music

 

- if you are running hqplayer from any Linux distro (Ubuntu etc), to login you have to use the IP followed by the logical port 8088. So if the IP of your machine is 192.168.1.5, you would run 192.168.1.5:8088

 

Hope it helps.

 

We were talking about HQPlayer OS on which you can only change password.

No need of :8088 for HQPlayer (OS) embedded