Popular Post Sal1950 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 hours ago, mansr said: The implication here is that only the awful, terrible "objectivists" ever misbehave. The nice, friendly subjectivists are only trying to help when they are repeatedly rude, belittling, and condescending, even after being told to go away. Yep, the meanest, nastiest posts I ever read here were put up by a subjectivist having his feet held to the fire when asked to produce proof that what he believes he heard is real by supplying verifiable evidence such as DBT's or measurements. They just can't stand having their religion questioned and get reduced to name calling, snarky remarks and such. 7 hours ago, Allan F said: Why is it so difficult for you to understand the fundamental difference between threads that seek information and/or different points of view and which encourage the participation of all interested parties, and those that are intended to share experiences without the unwanted intervention of people telling them that their experiences are imaginary and/or contrary to the laws of physics? 7 hours ago, rickca said: I'm one of the guys who was very close to abandoning AS. I don't mind people who think I'm delusional and like to poke fun at me in a good natured way. It's the mean spirited endless confrontational posts that derail threads that I find objectionable. So to me, it isn't really a subjective vs objective thing. It's about the vibe. 5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Liking something is subjective. I'm guessing people listen to music because they like it or like the way it sounds or there is some subjective reason why they pursue music and audio. If people don't think audio is an inherently subjective pursuit, there is always Hydrogen Audio where nothing subjective is allowed. How could one take the approach that audio / HiFi as a hobby is inherently objective? If you look at graphs and charts only, then yes I get it. But, if you listen to music for enjoyment that's subjective. Please don't think I'm saying anything related to how components are designed and the masterful work done by people like Mitch using DSP and measurements to improve my room. I'm not. Of course engineering is involved. People are taking this way over the top and thinking I am anti-engineering for some reason. I'm anti-fighting when this is supposed to be fun. Providing a space for both parties to discuss topics is idea. That is, if both parties really want to discuss what they say they want to discuss. Life is gray. We will find out where to place specific threads in due time. nobody is going to get banned for good faith attempts at anything. Because HiFi is short for High Fidelity. The persuit of HiFi has since the very beginning been accomplished via the use of measurements and the advancement of the engineering community learning to apply scientific principles towards an ever improving SOTA. The human weaknesses toward sighted, known DUT, expectation bias used as a tool has been discounted for every scientific path from chemistry to medicine. If your only interest in this "hobby" is to assemble a system that produces a pleasing sound for you, that's fine. But if your interest is to follow a path that will bring you closer to the artist/producer/engineers intent, you need to take a verifiable path that insures your hearing resembles that which is your desire, High Fidelity. If someone comes here after going to a Copperfield magic show and insist he made a 747 disappear off the runway with his "magic", would you take that as gospel because he seen it with his own 2 eyes, or ask him to please look behind the curtain with a camera to prove the airplane was actually gone? 5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Stop with the made up fake news that anything is being censored. Not faked in any way Chris, that's exactly what your doing. If one of us posts a reasonable objective question to a thread that you or the OP doesn't approve of, you cast it off to Siberia. 4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: That place is very far from an objective pursuit of HiFi. But, I encourage people to have fun there if it's more their style. 4 hours ago, audiobomber said: ASR is another example of a place "where nothing subjective is allowed". Not true at all. Amir lets people post most anything they like, but they will probably be asked, mostly by members, to supply verifiable confirmation. That IMO is only fair. You can't just make up fake news there and expect to get away with it. 4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I often wish people would stop to look around a bit and realize there are people without a place to sleep for the night and without food. Yet, we're here arguing about where the appropriate place to post is on a site dedicated to first world problems. Take a step back people. We'll get through it. Nobody is being censored except Prof. Scott's sophomoric comments. Oh brother, that's a straw man if I ever heard one. "there are starving people the world over, what different does it make if people tell fairy-tales about creating audios SOTA?" BOOO Chris, I find it truly sad what your doing to CA/AS. I came here originally thinking this was a site dedicated to Computer Audio, a place where the technology of computers used for audio storage, etc; held sway. It has slowly swung towards just another WBF "I heard it, so it is so" site where any claim, no matter how foolish is taken seriously. Now it seems the final nail will be to turn this site into the subjectivist version of Hydrogenaudio, were little to any objective challenges will be allowed. Yes Sir, that is censorship in its worst form, to ban the process of critical thinking. Ralf11, Ajax, audiobomber and 7 others 3 2 5 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Popular Post Sal1950 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, One and a half said: Kind of confused as to understanding the purpose of that site. Very simple, finding the best performing/measuring components minus any non-verifiable BS. In search of real High Fidelity. One and a half, Iving, The Computer Audiophile and 4 others 1 5 1 "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
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