Jeff Dorgay & TONEAudio Declare War on CA

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15 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Wow. 

 

Would you you have preferred the he said - he said situation?

 

 

 

 

I doubt it.

 

I happen to agree with them, and I will challenge anyone who calls me a troll after the length of time I have been around here. What I feel you and many others are missing is that although it is your right and you are right, the high road would have been to apologize and remove all of TA feeds after he refused your suggestion. Sure he was a bully, and likely a dumb ass, but it is not an excuse to make a scene nor push back publicly with this high school BS. It is his feed and his decision however stupid it might be. Don't you have better things to do than attempt to school a nitwit? I expect this crap from some of the posters here, but I thought you were better than that.

 

I'll not post further on this stupid topic.

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11 hours ago, Jud said:

 

Hi Alex - You are of course right that there are moral/ethical issues regarding confidentiality of correspondence.  But I think one might find a better case for moral issues than to keep threats and bullying a private matter.

OK, I said I wouldn't post, but c'mon Jud. Are we to believe that Chris was for any moment actually in fear of anything? There is a difference between a blow hard and someone who is actually litigious with any sort of case. If there was true danger, then perhaps CC was right to do this, but I somehow doubt that there really was any actual fear. This all seems like two angry middle aged dudes puffing their chests while a bunch of people goad them on because they too need the release.

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1 hour ago, crenca said:

 

I appreciate @4estand @mav52position, as well as others who have chimed in with essentially the same opinion.  I would note (not to denigrate them in any way) that is the "civility" argument in slightly different guise.  The "high road", the framing of this exposure of bullying being adolescent or "high school".  Once again the ambiguity and even basic disagreement of what civility (and in this case, maturity) even means is exposed.  Whose civility, which maturity?

 

Also, it appears that the most (all?) of those expressing this opinion are from the subjectivist side of the audio divide.  Probably not because of any inherent reason, other than the computer revolution and forums such as this one are still a bit of a "disruptive" force for some folks.  They tend to have a older or different expectations when it comes to things like the "privacy" of emails, electronic communication of threats, etc.

 

I send my children to the local private RC school, for a mix of academic and social/cultural reasons (i.e. no gangs, they learn to read, etc.) even though we are not Roman Catholic.  One of the issues has been smart-phones & screens, social media, etc.  The majority of the parents are very concerned about the hypothetical school shooter even though the statistics reveal that the chances of your child being harmed at school by a random deranged shooter are up there with them getting hit by a piece of falling space junk.  The two most harmful incidents in our school in the past 5 years was a male teacher (35, married with kids) having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old female, and a suicide of a very recent high school graduate.  Cell phones, social media, texting, and eletronic bullying were intimately involved in both cases.

 

So I have a different perspective than @4est and others.  Sometimes you can "take the high road", and at other times such an instinct would prove positively harmful to those involved.  Electronic communication is 'different', to pick a word - something relatively new and what ever it means, the old rules don't necessarily apply.

I get what you are saying, but can we please not bring the Ob vs Sub thing in to this? I consider myself a moderate. I also happen to have some background in EE and run the type of business that requires both objective and subjective skills. This business also requires long term relationships with people of varying back grounds. Civility may be passe in your view, but not mine nor most of the people I deal with in the real world. Chris has stated that this site is to be viewed as the local pub. My question is, do we want this place to be a biker bar in the hood or the English pub around the corner where you wouldn't be scared or ashamed to bring your spouse or kid. I grew up in the hood. I know what I would choose.

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1 hour ago, crenca said:

 

I hear you.  However, respectfully, you are making some assumptions about "this place", forums, and the internet in general that are "outdated" to pick a term.  Do you open doors for ladies who are not your wife and daughters?  Why not?  Does not Civility and being a gentleman demand it?  It is not a yes or no question, because the answer is really "it depends".  100 years ago, even 50 years ago the answer and expectation was one thing.  Today things are different.  If you insist that "civility" demands opening the door (or standing when a lady walks into the room) today you are revealed to be a Victorian anachronism.  

 

"This place" might be like a local pub, but this is a local pub on the internet.  Respectfully, your morals, your version of Civility that you assume should be reflected here and elsewhere, is positively dangerous.  I don't say that lightly, but I believe it to be true.  You appear (and only appear - perhaps not really and we are having a miscommunication) to support the kind of morality and civility that would sweep bullying underneath the "maturity" rug in a false effort to hide the real biker in our midst.  I would not willingly bring my kids to such a pub, even if it had the artificial air of friendly banter and English civility.

 

In other words, you are not really considering an alternative perspective - a different kind or aspect of civility.  You just assuming that Chris has overreacted or is being "high school", etc.  You are assuming the threat is not real.  You are assuming that your perspective is right and that it should be obvious what the mature thing is in relationships and persons of various backgrounds "in the real world".

 

When the biker walks into your friendly local pub and starts grabbing asses, puffing his chest, throwing bottles, what do you do?

I am not really sure where to go with this, but let me flog ole Nellie a lil more. Your last analogy is bogus. Chris is taking their content and starting a thread on this site and grabbing asses is a whole lot different than getting pissy and saying you'll sue if they don't abide. Seriously, if you want to discuss this, at least be real about it. It was legal threat, not a physical one. No baby seals are at risk here.

 

And speaking of baby seal deaths, I just don't buy this as bullying. It was an empty threat by a blow hard. Yes, they do exist. If there had been a letter from an attorney, perhaps. But to say that whenever some nitwit says something stupid he should get defamed publicly seems too far. If nothing else, the RSS feed should be stopped as Jeff has been clear about that.