Popular Post beerandmusic Posted February 24, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 Is it ok to make posts that infer name calling as long as we don't call them a name? Like your comments are moronic ? Or post pictures that infer someone is idiotic? How about general troll posts just to stir the pot? How do we go about reporting abuse? Can't we do anything to curb the disrespectful and troll posts? It seems certain individuals are allowed to make troll and disrespectful posts more than others? It would be nice to have a more respectful and mature website STC, christopher3393, jriver and 7 others 7 3 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 My guess is that this thread itself will show the exact disrespect I am speaking about. I am willing to be the scapegoat, if something can be done to improve the site for others that don't want all the BS. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 I am sure KumaKuma, semente, and elsdude will have some valuable input here right on topic. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 I would hope that one could provide input that shows historical abuse where action would be taken. Example, take fictitious users ELDUDES and CEMENTE and show that in any week they post 10 obvious troll posts that do nothing but stir the pot showing disrespect, that they could be suspended for a month. look&listen 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, Spacehound said: Start by not calling someone a moron. happily if we can some how curb the moronic and troll comments I just want to know where we draw the line....are troll and disrespectful posts allowed as long as we don't just call someone a moron? It seems things have been getting worse, and not just toward me...their just seems to be a lot of hostility lately...and clearly there are some that abuse far more frequently than others. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, crenca said: Respectfully Beerandmusic, this thread is itself disrespectful. It is the very essence of a trolling post/thread. When Chris deletes it, hopefully a bit of this silly bickering will die down... Respectfully crenca, i think it is very important that it be brought to the attention forefront the hostility, abuse, and full understanding of how to report and what to expect from abuse of TOS. There are some people that abuse the TOS multiple times daily. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: what if you call someone a moron and they are really an idiot - or an imbecile? points for the upgrade? And who is to judge..the person doing the name calling.....chances are, the person doing the judging is many times the bigger idiot. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, crenca said: You may think that, but so what? What you think matters little - it's up to Chris to moderate. I think he does a fine job - nearly perfect actually. He is a model benign dictator. I don't disagree....but he is not in all threads all the time. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, rickca said: You are. thats not possible...half the threads are on mqa (grin). Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, rickca said: You started the other half (grin). well then you should be happy there is something besides mqa (grin). Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 hours ago, sdolezalek said: Name calling isn't the core problem, nor is Computer Audiophile in any way out of line with the mainstream. The problem is that the level of anger and disrespect generally on the web either suggests that we cannot behave online consistently with what we would refer to as human decency in a face-to-face exchange or worse that the world has been divided into a series of warring tribes that completely fail to accord each other any level of plausibility. Not a formula for a great place to live. I would suggest even further that the people that are most abusive of decency likely have disrespect for themselves in the real world and lash out at civility because they don't know where to turn, because of their lack of faith in where there is hope. Superdad 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Fluffytime said: An even bigger problem are the people who think that anyone who disagrees with them on the internet must be "angry" and "disrespectful". I agree with this to a point....but clearly many times it is clear that people take things personal and are genuinely disrespectful. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Alcap said: . Sometimes people share very personal things about themselves. They reveal secret emotions, fears, wishes. Or they show unusual acts of kindness and generosity. We may call this benign disinhibition. On the other hand, the disinhibition effect may not be so benign. Out spills rude language and harsh criticisms, anger, hatred, even threats. Or people explore the dark underworld of the internet, places of pornography and violence, places they would never visit in the real world. We might call this toxic disinhibition. bingo! Where hate and disrespect is displayed, they are displaying their true colors about themselves. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 hours ago, TubeLover said: You need only wait for them to suddenly appear in a discussion and watch them bring mayhem and ill will and eventually destroy any value of the discussion. JC +1 on everything you said....and especially above statement, where you know it is just a matter of time before they show up like a pack of wolves... I wouldn't be surprised to see semente, elsdude, kumakuma, or even rolf11 post a picture of wolves eating bunnies or kittens....or even a peacock at their attempt at humor. Also, when people jump in and encourage that type of behavior, it encourages others, even new members to think that this is what this board is about. If people took a stand against this type of behavior and people saw that it wasn't encouraged, then perhaps it would weed out those type of individuals and encourage more adult discussion. you can have healthy debates, without the childish behavior. Sure, it's ok to be silly at times and have fun, but when it turns to disrespecting others, then it has gone too far. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Spacehound said: You could learn a lot of wisdom from Bill Scott. And a lot about Hifi from Esldude. Even though their approach sometimes damages snowflake's safe spaces. Please don't make this personal, as i could very well tell you where you can learn a LOT from. I think there is a vast amount of knowledge on this board that can be obtained without hatred and disrespect. There is no communal desire for anyone on any site for anyone that damages even "snowflakes"...the only people that desire those types of personalities are those that are lost in society in the same way, and have the need to bond with those types of personalities... Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, Spacehound said: And the only ones left would all agree with each other. That's not a forum at all, it's a mutual grooming club, I disagree...you can have 2 totally different intelligent people with totally different perspectives and be able to debate and have meaningful discussion. Take Mansr and mani as perfect example....i don't consider either to be in the same "pool as some trash". Sure, it can get heated, challenging, and even raise to the point of fierce competition...but both are respected even though both may have moments of being silly, sarcastic, but it never raises to the level of hatred or disrespect. George is another one that is very intelligent, has a lot of knowledge, and may be challenged and get "loud" at times....but again never raises to the level that a few cross the line do. I suggest that 95% of the people here are fine, and only about 5% that clearly ruin it for the other 95%. It is easy to see those that cross the line "habitually". Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Spacehound said: Humans are not herd animals. I think you "get it" but just won't admit it, because you are very close to the same type of personality i am discussing. There is a clear difference between competitive and hurtful. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spacehound said: Fine. Just change my "Intelligence is how we behave" to "Intelligence is how I behave" and it's fixed. For everyone. I am just suggesting there is a line and those who cross it. Many people will avoid the line all together. Some will push it to the line at every chance. Some will sometimes go over the line sometimes...... In those cases, it is acceptable.... where it is unacceptable in my opinion, is where people cross the line habitually. It is easy to see that they enjoy stirring the pot more than they are either seeking information or sharing knowledge, or even just socializing. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, Summit said: You asked - How much disrespect is allowed on Computer Audiophile? I would say that it depends on what you mean by disrespect. To me respect is something you earn. If you instead mean bullying, harassment etc I don’t think it should be allowed. To state different view and to have passionate arguments for them, should not be seen as disrespectful IMO. But it can be a thin line between how thing states and perceives depending on purpose, approach and context. I agree...respect is something earned as in regard and high opinion... Disrespect in the context I am speaking of, is the respect that is owed to all mankind as to not demean or hurt others for the sake of your own enjoyment. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, Spacehound said: What do I think about this thread you started? In a broad sense it's the most meaningful thing that has ever been on this forum. But it's not what we came here for I don't know what you came here for if this is the MOST MEANINGFUL.... That goes a long ways to showing your ego. If there is nothing meaningful here, then why have you posted nearly 1000 messages in 2 months. Part of me believes you have another userid here...you seem very comfortable suggesting there is little meaningful here. I would guess most people come here to learn and gain or share knowledge and to socialize in a mature manner....but i understand "some" people come here for other reasons. I am glad you are not commenting here anymore....i hope you keep to your word. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, semente said: Beer, I admit to being a bit sarcastic in my humour at times but you have to agree that you do often ask for it...maturity works both ways. i was having an off day, and i felt guilty to upset both Barrows and superdad. I have a lot of respect for both of them, and they both have shared a lot of valuable information that i have gained from. I know that i queston the enet adapter as being superior to other enet interfaces....(not just to their obvious competition, but pretty much any streamer).... I know it is their business, and they rely on it for income, so i did feel bad...but i am just curios as i do not understand, what makes one enet interface better than another. I have made a conscious effort not to question the Sonore products anymore, because in hindsight, i think i have gained as much information as i can about it at this time, and it really serves no purpose. Also I had more than a few people ask me not to leave. Currently, i really don't have much "current' interest here other than perhaps outcome of the mani/mansr debate, 2d/3d sound or multi-channel, and answering current responses. I likely won't spend a lot more time here (at least that i foresee), and last time i took a break it was for over a year. Plus i pretty much got the alexa part of nd8006 working quicker than i thought. I don't mind being suspended if it can bring to light the hostility that i witness here, not just against me, but many here. I really think a line should be drawn for habitual abusers. Summit 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Spacehound said: I lied. I also like meaningful stuff. That's true. Why do you object to my saying yours is possibly the most meaningful thread? I don't object to it...i just found it laughable that it is possibly the most meaningful when you have posted 1000 messages in 2 months. Besides, imho, there is far more meaningful information on this site than this thread. I consider this thread "very common sense", but unfortunately a few rare individuals don't get it. I knew you couldn't stay away....darn my luck. Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 One more thing before i take a nap.... Even if nothing comes of this thread, just bringing it to light to some of the offenders, i will hope they can see that they are being hurtful to others for simply their own amusement, or the others they "tag along with".... ....just maybe the offenders will think twice before they make their "so-called witty post" realizing they may be hurting others, not just the person they are attacking, but all the others that witness their abuse as well. With every action in life, one is either contributing or destroying humanity....the choice is theirs. Teresa 1 Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, bigbob said: You have implied that my reviews about iFi and Schiit products. I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked if you got any compensation. I wasn't aware of a program they offered where you can get a free loaner and free shipping (both directions?). That is compensation imho....I probably would have done it myself so i could have avoided paying a couple hundred bucks in restocking fees. I guess with one company you got free merchandise after the review....Maybe that is how it works in some cases...i really didn't know which is why i asked. You just misunderstood my questioning as accusations, when that was not true. The fact that you resort to getting hostile about some simple questioning is curious in itself. You even admitted that you wouldn't want to say anything bad against any manufacturer....and that is understandable as you do build a type of relationship....that is bias... Link to comment
beerandmusic Posted February 25, 2018 Author Share Posted February 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, bigbob said: No bias no payment no free stuff. Honest opinion based on my listen. What difference does it make to you anyhow? You have been lured in by "Professional" reviews which you implied we're corrupt. Now retired they can be honest... your words. I think you are jealous... Green with envy. I decided to be a real reviewer, and accept no compensation. So they send me entry level items. And by return freight, they get them back. No restocking fee because I don't want to buy them. When I get $350, I will pay full price for my stack of Schiit. You already admitted bias and free stuff. (just that the free stuff came after the review and your statement that you wouldn't want to say anything bad about any manufacturer shows bias. I would not say corrupt, that is your choice of words, and it is akin to your saying that you wouldn't want to say anything bad about any manufacturer. I wasn't lured by them in anyway either....i don't know where you got that from. I think everyone understands that a professional reviewer that doesn't say good things about the products they review, isn't going to stay in business long....corrupt no....that is your choice of words....it's just the nature of the business. Link to comment
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