Why Do People Come To Computer Audiophile To Display Their Contempt For Audiophiles?

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, Superdad said:

 

Got any measurements for those instincts?

Measurements?? We don't need no stinkin' measurements

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, Superdad said:

 

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1 hour ago, AJ Soundfield said:

I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff

 

 

But clearly not the instinct to recognize sarcasm.  

[AJ Soundfield]

2 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

Why? Do you have one of those bracelets?

2 per channel

[AJ Soundfield]

3 minutes ago, Superdad said:

 

But Jonathan, such is expressly dismissed!  

 

Seriously though.  This is the crux of the "battle."

So then you accept the sensory perceptions of millions of bracelet wearers too I hope

[AJ Soundfield]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Life isn't black or white / all or nothing. 

I agree, but some consistency is nice. Especially when accepting/dismissing perceptions.

[AJ Soundfield]

1 hour ago, jabbr said:

 

people get all sorts of sensory experiences with jewelry -- I accept that ?

Me too. I like all kinds of fancy audio jewelry.

I just don't make any silly claims as to why.

[AJ Soundfield]

18 minutes ago, Superdad said:

 

Speak for yourself.  My ears are just fine.  Can tell the difference between an average clock and a low phase-noise one, a good or great power supply, and different film types in a capacitor--among a few hundred other things that are claimed to be irrelevant or inaudible.

Well sure and I can leap tall buildings.

Problems only arise when we are asked to demonstrate this ability. 

[AJ Soundfield]

1 hour ago, Teresa said:

 

Hey, I don't dismiss anything. If those power bracelets work for the wearers, who I am to question them?

Bingo, me neither. Only their verifiably false objective claims as to why.

[AJ Soundfield]

8 minutes ago, jabbr said:

I would like your description, as detailed as possible, of what the audible difference between an average qnd low phase-noise clock is?

I'd be sorely disappointed if it didn't involve veils and PRAT

[AJ Soundfield]

10 minutes ago, jabbr said:

There are those of us who would like to know, given the mathematical effect of phase error on DAC signal output

Wait, it's not just those crazy "Objectivist" folks insisting relevance only at DAC output? Who knew...

 

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The mathematical effect is very clear (feel free to run a simulation if you question), so the real question is: what is the audible effect and at what level are the effects audible?

And how do you propose to establish this audibility correlation? Using what method?

Or is that presumed done and we are about to hear all about this "linewidth" sound?

[AJ Soundfield]

1 hour ago, jabbr said:

I don't claim to have the audibility correlation. If people could agree on what measurements are relevant (I have my ideas) then an audibility correlation could be worked on.

So on what basis are these products sold?

How was it first decided to design, engineer and manufacture in lower "phase noise" a priori?

 

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What I can tell you is exactly what the electrical difference between a "100 femtosecond" and "10 picosecond" difference in "jitter"/phase error look like.

A measure showing this at the DAC output would be terrific, TIA

[AJ Soundfield]

36 minutes ago, Jud said:

A J, I’m curious: Do you have any control over the amplification used for your speakers at shows?

Yes, I insist that a remote is provided, with at least volume control.

 

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If so, how do you choose?

A check for 1/2 the room cost is usually suffice.

 

Btw, I'm disappointed it took this long to redirect to me/my speakers. Let's keep focus there, lest we start talking about USB widgetry and phase noise hearing etc

[AJ Soundfield]

33 minutes ago, semente said:

But apparently AJ also uses fancy cables:

And amps etc!

 

[AJ Soundfield]

11 minutes ago, semente said:

 

 

Amp fancyness is bit more difficult to judge unless you recognise the model/manufacturer.

How about fancy kettle leads, is that where you draw the line?

Cary Audio and no I don't draw such lines. Something makes you happier/more satisfied, buy it!

A TAG-Heuer doesn't have to tell 1 femtosecond "better" time for me to prefer wearing one over a Timex.

I can prefer something purely subjectively, without any need for objective reasons.

[AJ Soundfield]

1 minute ago, semente said:

 

Do you demo 2 channel or multi-channel?

2ch audio shows, 2ch, my personal demos like the upcoming club meet, will be MCH.

[AJ Soundfield]

14 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

Curious, since you demo your speakers you want to use the best amps to show them off

I'm about to remove that possibility of audiophile "best" nervosa by going all active

 

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what dac/music player are you fond of to demo your speakers?

Depends on the audience, since that's who I'm demoing for.

For my personal needs, Foobar and Audioengine D2s are suffice

[AJ Soundfield]

2 hours ago, Dragonfyr said:

Why can't you trust your ears? 

I do. That's why I take blind tests without fear. The definition of a blind listening test is trust your ears. That's all you can do in a blind listening test.

OTOH, the folks who bray endlessly about "trust your ears", are always the ones who have zero trust of the ears.

That is exactly why they shun blind tests and come up with every excuse to avoid them, preferring to stare at audio components for weeks to judge "sound", because their hearing stinks and have zero trust of their ears.

[AJ Soundfield]

56 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

It was a sincere and serious question

And my answer was sincere jest. 

Are you asking what amps I prefer personally or say, would recommend to customers if they ask?

My personal preference is anything from Bruno Putzeys. I'm a bit green conscious, so Class D fills the bill there.

Hypex NCore based amps are my number one choice. However, if you've visited my site, you'll see a design that is very specifically designed for low power high output impedance amps, like typical SETs. So I design for the tastes of others as well.

[AJ Soundfield]

2 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

I am mentally adding you to users opinions I trust (grin).  I agree wireless cheap dac will suffice!

Well, to be fair it was $600 new, but I see now going for $400, so I'd say "inexpensive:, rather than "cheap".

Keep in mind it can also be used as a bit "transport", since it does have optical out, which can then be use with the fancy DACs.

I'm not one who hears big differences if any at all with DACs, regardless of price, though I must admit a recent comparison between the Chord Dave and Berkeley had me a bit puzzled, as the Dave indeed seemed to have a "sound" which I couldn't quite put my finger on. I will have to revisit, as being a non-believer, I cannot discount it being due to the "test" conditions, aka sighted...and my fallible perceptions!

I've done enough blind tests to know about witch effects.

[AJ Soundfield]

46 minutes ago, firedog said:

I'm doubtful about the efficacy of blind listening tests in practice.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w5903

http://www.upworthy.com/this-orchestras-blind-audition-proves-bias-sneaks-in-when-you-least-expect-it

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/million-dollar-strads-fall-modern-violins-blind-sound-check etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

I'm not.

A victim of my education and non-audiophile as is currently popular status. YMMV

[AJ Soundfield]

18 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

That may be true, but i will play a record before i will play a CD....

You'd be another perfect candidate for my vinyl dual output with one through 16/44 ADA loop comparison.

Funny stuff. 

[AJ Soundfield]

8 minutes ago, Dragonfyr said:

Explain this method and why it's relevant? What does it prove? 

That I enjoy humor and can catch sarcasm eventually

[AJ Soundfield]

4 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

So we’ve got a couple of articles saying there are problems with bias in sighted tests

The gist is that controlled (Blind) testing is the de facto scientific valid standard for all audio, not just electro-acoustic widget audiophoolery

[AJ Soundfield]

18 minutes ago, beerandmusic said:

Of course, predominantly TEST B will be better than TEST A...plus the buzz gets better as the day goes on.

 

No labels, just tell me which is vinyl when playing

[AJ Soundfield]

14 minutes ago, esldude said:

The method is to have the direct phono preamp output, and an ADA stage signal to switch between and compare.

Yep, real time on the fly clicks, pops, everything comparison. Loads of fun with vinylphiles and digital-creates-drama-philes