Guido Del Giudice Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I would like to connect my Mac to a Lead Audio NF DAC-384 using a 7m USB cable I also have an iFi USBpower so the power supply would be separate for the USB signal Before I go and search for a quality 7m USB cable is this even possible? Auralic Aries Femto > Yulong DA8 Hoer-Wege mods > KEF LS50W, [iSine 10, Denon D7200] Desktop - Adam Artist 5 and Sub 8 Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I would like to connect my Mac to a Lead Audio NF DAC-384 using a 7m USB cable I also have an iFi USBpower so the power supply would be separate for the USB signal Before I go and search for a quality 7m USB cable is this even possible? No. The USB standard is for 5M maximum without a USB extender, which if used is likely to cause increased Jitter which will quite likely degrade audio quality . How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Man in a van Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Why not try it and see? https://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-Repeater-amplification-expandable-gold-plated-10m-metres-black/dp/B00NORHCE8/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=AEB9F56C3A3O6 Link to comment
bogi Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Standard is standard ... but I noticed Supra produces USB2.0 cables of 0.7m, 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m, 5m, 8m, 10m, 12m, 15m lengths. Supra cables - HDMI cables for 4k, Digital Video and Audio, USB, Cat7+ Ethernet, Fibre Optic, Quadrax, LoRad power cables, Sword Analogue and Speaker cables https://www.amazon.de/Supra-Cables-USB-2-0-Kabel/dp/B00GTSSTF0 If anyone is using lengths over 5m, with or without active extender: what are your experiences? i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
Le Concombre Masqué Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 corning I would like to connect my Mac to a Lead Audio NF DAC-384 using a 7m USB cable I also have an iFi USBpower so the power supply would be separate for the USB signal Before I go and search for a quality 7m USB cable is this even possible? Link to comment
Astralark Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 corning Correct ! This is the only right choice that far superior than other solutions Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
Kal Rubinson Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Correct ! This is the only right choice that far superior than other solutions The Corning is excellent in this application but it is not the only solution. Side-by-side, I have a 30' Shunyata that is equal but different. Kal Rubinson Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I use Corning Optical, no issues so far. Link to comment
Guido Del Giudice Posted August 27, 2016 Author Share Posted August 27, 2016 Why not try it and see? https://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-Repeater-amplification-expandable-gold-plated-10m-metres-black/dp/B00NORHCE8/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=AEB9F56C3A3O6 ok, ordered....will report back Auralic Aries Femto > Yulong DA8 Hoer-Wege mods > KEF LS50W, [iSine 10, Denon D7200] Desktop - Adam Artist 5 and Sub 8 Link to comment
esldude Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 ok, ordered....will report back That looks similar to those Monoprice has. Those work up to at least 82.5 ft (25 m). I have a 15 meter one I use all the time. No issues at all. 192khz/24 bit no glitches, dropouts or any other problem. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I have a 15 meter one I use all the time. Perhaps that explains a lot ? (grin) The best USB cable is no USB cable, or the shortest possible USB cable ,with wherever possible no noisy +5V from the computer in it ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
richard kimber Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 No. The USB standard is for 5M maximum without a USB extender, which if used is likely to cause increased Jitter which will quite likely degrade audio quality . That is the maximum that guarantees you standard USB performance. But I've successfully used a 7m cable without any problems. However, knowing that I was exceeding the standard, I did buy a better than average cable. - Richard. LMS on Odroid XU4; HQPlayer on i7-8700; iFi iGalvanic; T+A DAC 8 DSD; Benchmark AHB2; Quad ESL 2805s + two Acoustic Energy subs. Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 That is the maximum that guarantees you standard USB performance. The problem is that not all USB cables, despite what they may have printed on the jacket, are really USB 2.0 compliant. I have seen USB cables where the data and power leads aren't individually twisted pairs, and a 5M long USB cable that didn't have any screening (!!!), presumably to reduce capacitance and make sure it worked. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
richard kimber Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 The problem is that not all USB cables, despite what they may have printed on the jacket, are really USB 2.0 compliant. I have seen USB cables where the data and power leads aren't individually twisted pairs, and a 5M long USB cable that didn't have any screening (!!!), presumably to reduce capacitance and make sure it worked. That was my point about buying a good cable. - Richard. LMS on Odroid XU4; HQPlayer on i7-8700; iFi iGalvanic; T+A DAC 8 DSD; Benchmark AHB2; Quad ESL 2805s + two Acoustic Energy subs. Link to comment
plissken Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 No. The USB standard is for 5M maximum without a USB extender, which if used is likely to cause increased Jitter which will quite likely degrade audio quality . He can safely use a USB to CAT5e Balun to extend the run. The DAC will reclock the incoming signal and successfully remove jitter therefore successfully reconstructing the data-gram. Link to comment
plissken Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Standard is standard ... but I noticed Supra produces USB2.0 cables of 0.7m, 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m, 5m, 8m, 10m, 12m, 15m lengths.Supra cables - HDMI cables for 4k, Digital Video and Audio, USB, Cat7+ Ethernet, Fibre Optic, Quadrax, LoRad power cables, Sword Analogue and Speaker cables https://www.amazon.de/Supra-Cables-USB-2-0-Kabel/dp/B00GTSSTF0 If anyone is using lengths over 5m, with or without active extender: what are your experiences? I've used, multiple times, both USB and HDMI extenders with zero issues. Link to comment
plissken Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I haven't tried this one but I trust Tripplite: https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Hi-Speed-Extension-U026-10M/dp/B008VOPEQW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472479749&sr=8-1&keywords=U026-10M Link to comment
Guido Del Giudice Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 I haven't tried this one but I trust Tripplite:https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Hi-Speed-Extension-U026-10M/dp/B008VOPEQW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472479749&sr=8-1&keywords=U026-10M I got this one and it works perfectly https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00LA6ZY4U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 probably like the one in your link... Auralic Aries Femto > Yulong DA8 Hoer-Wege mods > KEF LS50W, [iSine 10, Denon D7200] Desktop - Adam Artist 5 and Sub 8 Link to comment
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