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    The Immersive Audiophile Update 3

     

     

    My research into Atmos and other immersive audio continues. In fact it consumes most of my time every day. All the variables in immersive audio make two channel seem like child's play. Fortunately, one area that's pretty straight forward is amplification. In this update I'll cover some of my amplification considerations and reveal the amp choice for my Atmos / immersive audio system.

     

    7.1.4 Meaning.jpgDolby is pretty loose with its consumer requirements for playing Atmos content. Configurations from headphones, to a single sound bar to 11.1.8 systems and everything in between are OK. Take a look at this speaker setup guide from Dolby (link) to see many of the options. I bring this up only because one can't get too deep into amplifier selection without knowing how many channels need amplification. 

     

    When I first decided I needed to go down the path of an Atmos system, I reached out to friends and people in both the consumer and professional industries. I wanted to know which of the seemingly endless configurations is recommended. What I heard from most people was that I needed at least a 7.1.4 system to do it right. I was also directed to the Dolby Atmos Music delivery specification for professionals (link). This specifications says, among other things, "All deliverables must: have been approved for home listening and monitored in a room with at least a 7.1.4-ch speaker layout." My roads were all leading to a 7.1.4 system. 

     

    Note: This specification also states, "All deliverables must: use 24-bit PCM resolution at a sampling rate of 48 kHz." 

     

    A 7.1.4 system requires 12 channels of amplification. Given that my two channel system is the foundation of the Atmos system, I'll continue to use my Constellation Audio Inspiration mono amps for the front left and right channels. This is where Constellation amps come in extremely useful, in addition to sounding fantastic. Constellation amps have three inputs, 1 RCA, 1 Balanced XLR, and 1 Direct XLR. I never use the RCA inputs and don't plan to do so in the Atmos system. The balanced XLR input is a traditional balanced input using an XLR connection. The Direct input also uses an XLR connection, but is designed to receive its signal from a Constellation preamp. I connect this Direct input to my Constellation Inspiration Preamp's output. A benefit of this Direct input is that it bypasses one gain stage in the amplifier and produces even better sonics. 

     

    In the image below, one can see the little switch for Direct, BAL, and RCA. When listening to two channel audio, I will leave this switch set to Direct. When I want to listen to Atmos / immersive audio, I'll flip the switch to BAL. The BAL input will receive audio directly from a DAC or processor. In a perfect work this switch would be remote controllable or auto-sensing, but I'm not complaining. 

     

     

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    Two of the 12 channels are covered by the Constellation amps. The .1 (point one) channel is already covered because I will use a powered subwoofer. This leaves me with 9 channels in need of amplification. It's a difficult number because high end audio companies don't design 9 channel amplifiers. There's zero chance I'm going to use a jumbo AV receiver with "a million" channels of amplification, so it's time to get creative. 

     

    In addition to the number of channels, I also need to consider the type of amplification I'll use. Class A is out because the heat would make my listening room unbearable. Class A A/B is a possibility as is Class D. I though about a Krell Theater 7 XD Multi-Channel Amplifier with an iBias Class A topology, but I'd have to use two of them to cover 9 channels. Sure, I could use the 7 Krell channels and use a 2 channel amp for the remaining two, but I moved on. After talking to friends, I decided to look more seriously at using Class D amplification. 

     

    The NAD M28 7 channel amp uses new Purify amp technology and should be outstanding. I still run into the issue that it's "only" a 7 channel amp and I need 9. I decided to go down a different route. Use Class D stereo amplifiers that I know perform very well. This also gives me great flexibility with respect to placement of the amplifiers. If I want to place two on the left side of the room and two on the right, I can easily do that. The more I thought about this approach the more I liked it. 

     

    Note: I considered amps from a few other manufacturers, even some that build them based on the number of channels needed, but I was unsure of the reputation of these manufacturers. I had no experience with them and neither did anyone I know.   

     

    Mytek Brooklyn+.jpgAfter endless research, I decide to go with 5 Mytek Brooklyn+ amplifiers. Four of the stereo amps will power the surround and height channels. I'll use a single Mytek Brooklyn+ in bridge mode to power the center channel. I love this configuration because the amps are very small and efficient, I have great placement flexibility, and I know how well the Brooklyn+ amps perform. I haven't decided on the final placement of the amps though. A couple on each side of the room, with XLR cables under the floor is a possibility. I've also considered placing the bridged Brooklyn+ behind the center channel, but I think this is a bit difficult to do because running a power cable to the amp in the middle of the floor will be more difficult than a speaker cable. At least that's what I'm thinking for now. I could change it up and test each setup as I get to installing equipment. 

     

    One other amp I considered for the Atmos / immersive system was the Schiit Vidar. I love the Vidar! Two things give me hesitation when I think about using Vidars in this system. First, in order to use them with balanced XLR connections, each amp has to be use as a monoblock. This means 9 Vidar amps would be needed. Second, the Vidar puts off quite a bit of heat. Nine Vidars in my room could turn it into a sauna.  

     

    Readers may be thinking to themselves, how can one select amplification without knowing which loudspeakers the amps will drive? Oh don't worry, speakers have been selected. Be patient, that will be included in a later Immersive Audiophile update :~)


     

     

     


     




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    57 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Does this make any sense?

    Thanks Chris, yes that does  make sense, at least  in general terms.  

    It would be great to have some kind of table that lists Atmos formats and sources, where the decode is happening and what the a. minimum and b. ideal playback chains would look like (where a. still means something better than you would get via normal FLAC over 2ch stereo)  

     

    For example, if I playback an Atmos track using the Tidal app on my iPad and listen via the iPad 3.5 HP out, I’m guessing that I get no benefit whatsoever as there is no decoder in the signal path?  Whereas if I listen on the same but via Apple Music maybe I do?  Similarly, if I use the MConnect app to  send a Tidal Atmos track over DLNA to my Bryston BDP>legacy DAC again I presume there is no decode  and thus no possible benefit?

     

    For me, not looking yet to invest in MCH, I guess the simple question is, is there any potential benefit from Atmos playback in a 2 channel speaker or HP set up?  If so, what do I need to achieve?  Thanks.

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    Here’s an interesting, but long winded, video about why Atmos mixes can sound better than the traditional stereo mixes. Dynamic range in Atmos mixes is much better. 
     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, Norton said:

    is there any potential benefit from Atmos playback in a 2 channel speaker or HP set up?

    For headphone setup, ATMOS downmixing (or more advanced: space simulation using HRTF) is more natural than BS2B IMHO.

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    2 hours ago, vortecjr said:

    For standard multichannel video the center channel can be the most important output and very nice l/r speakers are demoted to mostly foley effects. I’m curious for Atmos content how good the individual channels need to be. 

     

    Of course it's different for every mix, but I know that music uses the channels far more than movies. Here is one track in 7.1.4 Atmos. You can see each channel and the content within. This is pretty normal for music. 

     

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    8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I love doing the research, talking to experts, figuring things out, then writing articles about it and helping people in the forums etc

    Thanks for your efforts Chris, getting clearer.  Will be interesting to see if MCH now goes mainstream, at least within the audiophile market.

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    5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:
    7 hours ago, vortecjr said:

    For standard multichannel video the center channel can be the most important output and very nice l/r speakers are demoted to mostly foley effects. I’m curious for Atmos content how good the individual channels need to be. 

     

    Of course it's different for every mix, but I know that music uses the channels far more than movies. Here is one track in 7.1.4 Atmos. You can see each channel and the content within. This is pretty normal for music. 

     

    My limited experience matches what Chris says. On a lot of the Atmos I've listened to while watching the output meters on my processor,  the L-R are doing most of the work while the center is used for effects often with very little if any output, the opposite of many movies. 

     

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    5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    This is a comparison of the front right and left channels in an Atmos mix to the right and left channels of the stereo mix. Both are from a commercial album from a major band, not some niche thing. I left out the rest of the Atmos channels, but I can say the dynamic range was equivalent to the front right and left. 

     

    These don't even look like the same song! The sound quality difference is humongous as well. DR isn't everything, so we must listen without ears. I've done it and think the Atmos mix is fantastic. Much more to come on this development.

     

    Official stereo release

     

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    Official Atmos release

     

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    Trying to digest what I'm seeing here. The top stereo looks louder, but I don't see where the dynamic range is that much different. It would be easier to compare if you adjusted the vertical scale so the peaks were the same. 

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    2 minutes ago, bbosler said:

     

    Trying to digest what I'm seeing here. The top stereo looks louder, but I don't see where the dynamic range is that much different. It would be easier to compare if you adjusted the vertical scale so the peaks were the same. 

     

    The numbers on the dynamic range are as follows. 

     

     

    Stereo version - DR 7, 7.9 LU (DR128)

     

    Atmos version - DR 13, 12.0 LU (DR128)

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    3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    That article is not correct. Apple Music on a Mac will play Atmos and is a fantastic way to do it.

     

    I was actually just looking at the music side of it as I'm set as far as  hardware and software  for playing the files, but he does mention a Mac with headphones.

     

    What hardware are you hooking up to the Mac to play Atmos? If you are referring to the way you've been detailing in this series it can hardly be considered "fantastic" or practical for the consumers being targeted in the Sound and Vision article ... color me curious

     

     

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    1 hour ago, bbosler said:

    What hardware are you hooking up to the Mac to play Atmos? If you are referring to the way you've been detailing in this series it can hardly be considered "fantastic" or practical for the consumers being targeted in the Sound and Vision article ... color me curious

    If you have multiple 2ch USB DACs, you can connect to a Mac and make an aggregate device in Audio MIDI Setup. macOS will treat it as a multichannel DAC for ATMOS outputs. This won't cost too much but limited to PCM only. 

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    4 hours ago, bbosler said:

     

    I was actually just looking at the music side of it as I'm set as far as  hardware and software  for playing the files, but he does mention a Mac with headphones.

     

    What hardware are you hooking up to the Mac to play Atmos? If you are referring to the way you've been detailing in this series it can hardly be considered "fantastic" or practical for the consumers being targeted in the Sound and Vision article ... color me curious

     

     


    A Mac output to Merging hardware over Ravenna is fantastic. No HDMI needed or cable length restrictions etc… Excellent DAC. State of the art room correction if desired. 

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    4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    A Mac output to Merging hardware over Ravenna is fantastic.

     

    no doubt, but the target audience for the Sound and Vision article is not even going to consider that route or aggregating multiple 2 channel DACs, so in practical terms for the vast majority of people...  you can't use a Mac.

     

    BTW I've been listening to the RHCP album... lots of fun

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    4 minutes ago, bbosler said:

     

    no doubt, but the target audience for the Sound and Vision article is not even going to consider that route or aggregating multiple 2 channel DACs, so in practical terms for the vast majority of people...  you can't use a Mac.

     

    BTW I've been listening to the RHCP album... lots of fun

    I definitely hear ya there. 

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    A warning: I already have a very good SACD based 4.1 muti-channel system that takes a lot of room, so I wanted to simply add a Sonos Atmos soundbar to experience Spatial Audio through Airplay from my MacBook Air that already decodes it to its two tiny speakers: WRONG! Airplay only sends 2 channels, same as the headphone output! The only way to get it is with an Apple TV 4K connected to a TV that has ARC/eARC HDMI output. I don't. I have an old model with only optical out so I'm stuck with Dolby 5.1 from other sources or PCM 2.0...

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    29 minutes ago, GillesP said:

    A warning: I already have a very good SACD based 4.1 muti-channel system that takes a lot of room, so I wanted to simply add a Sonos Atmos soundbar to experience Spatial Audio through Airplay from my MacBook Air that already decodes it to its two tiny speakers: WRONG! Airplay only sends 2 channels, same as the headphone output! The only way to get it is with an Apple TV 4K connected to a TV that has ARC/eARC HDMI output. I don't. I have an old model with only optical out so I'm stuck with Dolby 5.1 from other sources or PCM 2.0...

    Technically incorrect. Apple Music streams both Dolby Atmos and Spatial Audio from Mac computers as well. 

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    Then please tell me how. Through HDMI? I don't have the port on the MacBook Air, although I see there is a USB-C to HDMI dongle available.

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    6 minutes ago, GillesP said:

    Then please tell me how. Through HDMI? I don't have the port on the MacBook Air, although I see there is a USB-C to HDMI dongle available.

    I do it using an Ethernet based DAC that supports the Ravenna protocol. Set Apple Music to “Automatic” for Atmos and I get 7.1.4 audio. 
     

    Plug in headphones to your Mac and set it to Always and I believe you’ll get the Spatial Audio version that Apple sends to its headphones, just without head-tracking. 


     

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    5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    An HDMI adapter, properly configured in Audio MIDI Setup, should also do it for you. 

    Thanks for the answers! I will try the HDMI adapter. I might also try updating the OS to the latest, although I'd rather not. That's maybe why I only get stereo through headphones.

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    1 minute ago, GillesP said:

    Thanks for the answers! I will try the HDMI adapter. I might also try updating the OS to the latest, although I'd rather not. That's maybe why I only get stereo through headphones.

    Do you didn’t get the Dolby icon when using headphones?

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