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    Immersive Music Favorites, Part 6

         

         

        

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    Growing up on a steady diet of Led Zeppelin, The Who, Van Halen, and Pearl Jam, I'm fully aware of the limits of my worldly musical knowledge. These limits lead to enjoyable discoveries, as I found out a couple weeks ago. I had a guest over listening to my immersive audio system. I played him a new recording I'd just purchased from TRPTK. He immediately asked if the musician was playing the viola da gamba. I showed him the album cover that said 12 Fantasias for Viola da Gamba, and immediately thought to myself, what is a viola da gamba?

     

    TTK0043-scaled.jpgI later dove into the viola da gamba, composer Georg Philipp Telemann (1681-1767), and musician Ralph Rousseau. As I read, I also continued listening to this new immersive release by TRPTK titled Telemann: 12 Fantasias for Viola da Gamba. The compositions, the story of how they were lost and found, and a meeting through pure happenstance that lead to this recording, much of this detailed int he PDF liner notes, all help to setup one heck of a musical performance and immersive album. 

     

    Unbeknownst to me, the viola da gamba is more akin to a cello than a traditional viola. I found this out from the little known Viola da Gamba Society of America. It's an absolutely beautiful sounding instrument in the right hands, and Ralph Rousseau has those hands. 


    "In the historical center of Utrecht, on the edge of the Catharijnesingel, you’ll find the Geertekerk. This church is characterised by its extraordinary acoustics and rich history." According to the liner notes. This is the church in which TRPTK engineer Brendon Heinst and his team recorded Ralph Rousseau playing an early 18th century 6-string viola da gamba by Georg Aman with Gerhard Landwehr bow, over two and a half days in 2019. 

     

    Music lovers and audiophiles will also find the following information from the liner notes reassuring and exciting. 

     

    "This created the perfect opportunity to make a true no-compromises recording. Because, well, let’s face it: unfortunately every recording has compromises as part of the process, however microscopically tiny. You have a limited number of recording days, you have to work with the elements of what’s there, and so on and so forth.

     

    But not for this recording. Starting with the location — together with Ralph, we chose the magnificent Geertekerk in our hometown of Utrecht. Built in the 13th century, this church has some of the most incredible acoustics in the country, making it perfect for a period instrument such as the gamba. Of course, we also had to use the best tools for the job, so we reached out to DPA Microphones
    in Denmark, who were kind enough to supply us with their latest 4006A omnidirectional and 4015A subcardioid microphones. We wanted to record the Geertekerk as it is, in surround, with nothing added or removed from it, making the DPAs the clear choice. Paired with the most high-end microphone cabling in the world, custom-built for us by Furutech, and suspended on their NCF Boosters, we were sure of creating the most accurate reproduction of the sound of Ralph’s instrument in the space were we spent two and a half days of intense recording."

     

     

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    The more I listened to the Dolby Atmos TrueHD version of Ralph Rousseau playing in the Geertekerk, the more enthralled I became with this album. Both Rousseau and Heinst are masters of their own domains. Right from the opening piece, Fantasia No. 1 in C Minor, TWV 40:26: I. Adagio - Allegro - Adagio - Allegro, my listening chair was transported to the Geertekerk in Utrecht, Netherlands with Ralph Rousseau playing in front of me and the sound of the venue's acoustics all around. To those who may haver reservations about a single instrument being reproduced in Atmos, I challenge you to listen to this album and remain unconvinced. 

     

    The entire hour and fifteen minutes of music goes by in the blink of an eye, with one piece flowing right into the next while capturing the listeners' attention and audibly sending them into the year 1735. I've listened to this album, start to finish, several times and not once picked up my phone to check email or messages. After pressing play, I don't want it to end. I can't recommend it highly enough. 

     

    Purchase and download the immersive version directly from TRPTK here, or listen to the stereo version through the streaming service of your choice. 

     

     


    goldberg.jpgTwo other gems I've been listening to are Benedek Horvath's Golberg Variations (TrueHD Dolby Atmos) and the forthcoming Trondheim Symphony Orchestra's Henning Sommerro: BORDERS (October 6, 2023 on 2L, 2L-173-SABD). Horvath's Goldberg Variations is just beautiful for both the music and the recording / immersive mix. This is a more traditional immersive mix, but rightfully so. The listener is placed in the room with Horvath as he works his magic. The piano reverberations on the TrueHD Dolby Atmos version just can't be reproduced like this in stereo. This is another album that captures my attention from beginning to end, nearly one and a half hours of music. 

     

    Recorded by 2L's Morten Lindberg, Henning Sommerro: BORDERS is absolutely cutting edge immersive audio at its best. Norwegian musician and composer Henning Sommerro has a way of creating such engaging pieces that even I, the antithesis of a classical aficionado, enjoy immensely. Listening to this album immersively, I imagine the journey of the character(s) to the eternal city just before the Summer solstice, with daylight abound. I get completely lost in the music and the story. 

     

    The album was recorded in the round, with immersive audio in mind from the beginning. This is another configuration that many who lack 2L-173_front_3000_1024x1024@2x.jpgexperience listening to immersive audio struggle with. I don't blame them, I was in the exact same boat! Why would one want to sit in the middle of all the musicians, when all the musicians sit in front of the audience at a concert? As Bowers & Wilkins used to rightly advertise, "Listen and You'll See." Once this album is heard on an immersive system, it feels like a large compromise to jam all the musicians into the front of the room. Attempting to hear individual instruments or even groups of instruments, when they are spread out around the listener, is a piece of cake. As the musicians are compressed into the front of a room, this becomes more difficult. Increasing the difficulty even more is fitting all of this into two speakers. It can be done gracefully, but not with ultimate fidelity and ultimate realism. 

     

    I listened to the 7.1.4 DXD Discrete Immersive version of this album. That's 12 channels of 24/352.8 with a bit rate of 101,606 Kbps (CD is 1,411 Kbps). I have no doubt the TrueHD Dolby Atmos version of the album will be equally as engaging and highly recommend every pre-order it now (before the October 6, 2023 release date). The music is fantastic. The engineering is fantastic. What's not to love!

     

     

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    I'll wrap up this edition of my immersive favorites with a new video about Dolby Atmos music from the American Public Broadcasting Service (PBS). I usually roll my eyes when watching videos like this, but PBS and those interviewed really nailed it. It's a good watch for those who have immersive systems, those interested in the technology, or even those who are skeptical because it reiterates what many of us have been saying for a while. While we didn't share notes or experiences, it's interesting to hear some of the same descriptions of what's heard through Dolby Atmos music, from those in this video.  

     

     

     


     




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    pausing to listen to a record

     

    I know that works 😄

     

    and hey !! I did get my Atmos discs ripped and can play them to my Trinnov via HDMI with Media Player so huge progress in just a few days. I'm calling that a win ...  

     

    Now I need a player that will send my multichannel DSD files over as PCM and my multichannel DVD-A that I ripped to Flac. Roon will do that but hoping for something I don't have to subscribe to

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    problem solved almost

     

    I decided to try UPnP since the Trinnov AL16 can use that. So I searched how to set that up on PC. I found info on how to turn on streaming and file sharing. I thought, why not try Media Player again and it now sends multichannel Flac files I ripped from DVD-A discs to the AL16? It won't play AIF or DSD files though. So I thought, I'll try JRiver again and now that works too. It will play all of my audio files, DSD converted to PCM, AIF, Flac, etc and multichannel if they are.

     

    Also got it to import and play my mkv files but it isn't passing Atmos, the AL16 says they are PCM... tomorrows project

     

     

     

     

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    4 hours ago, bbosler said:

    problem solved almost

     

    I decided to try UPnP since the Trinnov AL16 can use that. So I searched how to set that up on PC. I found info on how to turn on streaming and file sharing. I thought, why not try Media Player again and it now sends multichannel Flac files I ripped from DVD-A discs to the AL16? It won't play AIF or DSD files though. So I thought, I'll try JRiver again and now that works too. It will play all of my audio files, DSD converted to PCM, AIF, Flac, etc and multichannel if they are.

     

    Also got it to import and play my mkv files but it isn't passing Atmos, the AL16 says they are PCM... tomorrows project

     

     

     

     

    Nice progress!

     

    Make sure JRMC is set to import MKV files. In the options you can tell it which files to associate with JRMC. 

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    I found the bit streaming option in JRiver... I think maybe I have it all working

     

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    16 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    I found the bit streaming option in JRiver... I think maybe I have it all working

     

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    I was also thinking about trying MKA files becuase it's audio, but I guess we can cross that bridge if necessary. 

     

    You should try JRemote as well. Great remote app for JRiver. 

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    56 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    You should try JRemote as well. Great remote app for JRiver. 

     

    aaarggghhh

     

    now have to figure out how to get it to connect to the server

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    1 minute ago, bbosler said:

     

    aaarggghhh

     

    now have to figure out how to get it to connect to the server

    I believe you just use the Access Key in Tools > Options > Media Network

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    2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    I believe you just use the Access Key in Tools > Options > Media Network

     

    ahh

    I was using my license key, how stupid 😅

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    I can play everything. The MKV as videos and the rest as music. I haven't figured out how to get it all to play natively. If I get it all set so the AL 16 sees the mkv as Atmos then it wants to play everything at 48K and says it is Atmos. If I get it set so the music files play natively it doesn't see the MKV as Atmos. There are so many possible combinations of settings in JRiver + settings in Windows Sound + settings in  the AL16 it is very easy to get it where it stops working at all. Sometimes the AL16 gets confused and I have to reboot it

     

    so slow going

     

    It is currently set so it plays MKV Atmos properly but the AL 16 says everything I send is Atmos, 2 channel AIF is Atmos 48K, DSD  converted to PCM is Atmos 48K, etc. It plays but I don't like that. 

     

    I did get the remote to connect but haven't played with it

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    I think I got it, it is decoding everything properly, DVD-A , DSD, AIF, WAV all at their native rate or downsampled to the AL16 max rate (96 or 88,2) as appropriate and detects and plays Atmos. Correctly detects mkv encoded with DTS Master Audio = Los Lobos "Kiko Live" which is an awesome BluRay 

     

     

     

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    40 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    I think I got it, it is decoding everything properly, DVD-A , DSD, AIF, WAV all at their native rate or downsampled to the AL16 max rate (96 or 88,2) as appropriate and detects and plays Atmos. Correctly detects mkv encoded with DTS Master Audio = Los Lobos "Kiko Live" which is an awesome BluRay 

     

     

     

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    Nice!

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    One question for you @bbosler, can the AL16 accept WAV files with more than eight channels, over any of its inputs?

     

    The reason I ask is becuase 12 channel 7.1.4 WAV files are a thing, and they open up other options for playback. 

     

    Just curious.

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    43 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    can the AL16 accept WAV files with more than eight channels, over any of its inputs?

     

    I am thinking not but I don't know... what software can play them, and where can I get one?

     

    I see a 352K 5.1.4 wav on TRPTK but don't want to spend € 60,00 just to try it

     

    BTW I got the Los Lobos "Kiko" video to the AL16 by mirroring my PC screen. so I can see it on my 14 foot screen..   The performance is excellent and mesmerizing to see while listening in glorious surround. Of course you get the same thing by just playing the BluRay, but that would not have consumed 3 days of my life getting it to play from my PC  so well worth it 😂

     

     

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    2 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    BTW I got the Los Lobos "Kiko" video to the AL16 by mirroring my PC screen. so I can see it on my 14 foot screen..   The performance is excellent and mesmerizing to see while listening in glorious surround. Of course you get the same thing by just playing the BluRay, but that would not have consumed 3 days of my life getting it to play from my PC  so well worth it 😂

     

    Ha! 

     

     

    2 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    I am thinking not but I don't know... what software can play them, and where can I get one?

     

    I'll send you a test file. 

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    1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    I'll send you a test file. 


    Won't play in Media Player, with JRiver it plays. I get 7 bed channels, the L-R rear plays in the L-R surround and vice versa, ( I could reassign the surrounds to fix that )   the subs play a tone from LFE,

     

    but no height. I tried 7.1, then 7.1 with 4 extra channels, then 12 channels, with 12 channels it reverts to stereo

     

    I'll ask over at the Trinnov forum at AVS Forums and see if anybody has pulled this off

     

     

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    2 minutes ago, bbosler said:


    Won't play in Media Player, with JRiver it plays. I get 7 bed channels, the L-R rear plays in the L-R surround and vice versa, ( I could reassign the surrounds to fix that )   the subs play a tone from LFE,

     

    but no height. I tried 7.1, then 7.1 with 4 extra channels, then 12 channels, with 12 channels it reverts to stereo

     

    I'll ask over at the Trinnov forum at AVS Forums and see if anybody has pulled this off

     

     

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    Thanks Bruce!

     

    When I output to my Merging gear over Ravenna from JRMC I have it set to 12 channels on that screen. 

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    image.thumb.png.c3abc04aed1ddf75dbe27b041a82c799.png

     

    from Trinnov support .....  Are you using the HDMI port for the PC? If so, you will automatically be limited to 8 channels (7.1). 
    You would need a device that could convert in Atmos directly (which i don't think it exists at this point in time). 
     
    Something you could do is using the DCI input (16 channels) but it would mean that you need an eternal sound card that can handle this... Not practical here.  Same for Roon but it's up to 8 channels (7.1) there as well... Sorry to disappoint... 
     
     

    So the 7.1.4 file would need to be put into a form like Atmos (maybe DTS or Auro3D ?) that can be coded with more than 8 channels that the Trinnov  can decode. With a setup like yours it would be possible to use the AL32 as the 12 channel DAC using the digital inputs, not practical for us mere mortals, and I only have an AL16 which does not have the 16 channel digital input  port.

     

    did you drop your plans to audition the AL32?

     

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    28 minutes ago, bbosler said:

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    from Trinnov support .....  Are you using the HDMI port for the PC? If so, you will automatically be limited to 8 channels (7.1). 
    You would need a device that could convert in Atmos directly (which i don't think it exists at this point in time). 
     
    Something you could do is using the DCI input (16 channels) but it would mean that you need an eternal sound card that can handle this... Not practical here.  Same for Roon but it's up to 8 channels (7.1) there as well... Sorry to disappoint... 
     
     

    So the 7.1.4 file would need to be put into a form like Atmos (maybe DTS or Auro3D ?) that can be coded with more than 8 channels that the Trinnov  can decode. With a setup like yours it would be possible to use the AL32 as the 12 channel DAC using the digital inputs, not practical for us mere mortals, and I only have an AL16 which does not have the 16 channel digital input  port.

     

    did you drop your plans to audition the AL32?

     

     

    Thanks so much for the info!

     

    Plans for AL32 aren't dropped compeltely, but there is a hiccup. 

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    Bruce,

    I understand you have Kodi passing Atmos in a Windows environment via HDMI, is that correct?

    I'm not sure I found anyone that could do that before. If so would you please share the Kodi & Windows config settings.

    I use VLC to pass Atmos in Windows, but have no issues using Kodi to pass Atmos in my PCLinuxOS build. But still can't make VLC pass Atmos in Linux.  Strange.  LOL

     

    For those playing with Auro 3D, I've had no issues running Auro embeded in flac files most anywhere. If only Atmos should be so easy.

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    hmmmmm

     

    it has been a month since those experiments and I tried a LOT of different things so my memory may be a bit fuzzy, but looking back through this thread I don't see where I ever said I got Kodi to properly play Atmos. I did say it played but I only got 2 channels. 

     

    I did get Windows Media Player and JRiver to work properly. I am using JRiver

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