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    A Recording Way Ahead Of Its Time

     

     

        

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    I was tipped off to this recording by Wilson Audio’s Peter McGrath, a stellar recording engineer himself, by any measure. As a self-admitted classical music novice who deems any recording with a violin as borderline classical and who also doesn’t understand classical sub-genres, I felt a bit out of my league after discussing the recording with Peter. On one hand, this probably puts me in a group with most people on Earth, but on the other hand I’m very eager to listen and learn.

     

    Impressing a novice is usually easy. It’s much harder to impress the experts in one’s field of study or work. This is why I sat up in my chair and took notice when Peter McGrath told me about this recording. Yes, Mahler’s Third and the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Jascha Horenstein are enough to make most aficionados listen, but this recording is special on another level. It’s one of those rare recordings that entices casual classical fans into a “beginning to end” listening session, pausing for a brief moment to silence one’s phone midway through the opening movement.

     

    Mahler-3rd-Horenstein-Cover_809x.jpg.webpWhy is this recording so special? The answer can’t be narrowed down to a single reason, as there were so many talented professionals involved (musicians, composer, conductor, recording engineer, editor, and restoration professionals, etc…), but I believe that recording engineer Jerry Bruck played an outsized role in enabling us to enjoy this magnificent music more than 50 years after the original performance in Croydon, London on July 27, 28 and 29, 1970 at Fairfield Concert Hall.

     

    The liner notes of this album detail much more information, such as the fact that there were two different recordings of this performance using different gear and different engineers, and I encourage everyone to read them. The really fascinating parts for me revolve around Jerry Bruck’s recording techniques. Jerry was so ahead of his time that he recorded for immersive audio 50 years before it became a thing!

     

    Stereo listeners stick with me because you’re also in for a real treat. The way Bruck recorded this Mahler piece, and the way Peter McGrath still records to this day, makes the two channel stereo version fantastic while the four channel version ads concert hall information making it even better. Stereo listeners don’t miss out on anything “placed” in the other channels. In fact, I can listen to the four channel version with the rear channels muted, and the sound is 100% identical to the stereo version. Un-muting the rear channels is amazing because it opens the space of the concert hall in one’s listening room better than any other playback adjustment or format.

     

     

    But Wait, There’s More

     

    The stereo and four channel versions of this recording, now available through High Definition Tape Transfers, are fantastic. But, nothing I said yet explains why Bruck was so ahead of his time in my opinion, what’s immersive about his recordings from 1970, and how listeners can reproduce these recordings exactly as Bruck recorded them.

     

    From the liner notes:

     

    “Bruck used a unique mic set-up that captured the sessions with remarkably well-focused clarity… This experimental array was situated relatively near the orchestra, with the two front mics recording the left and right channels, another one facing the rear wall of the hall in the same plane, and the fourth pointed straight up at the ceiling. Unlike some recording set-ups that place mics in the rear of the space to capture ambient signals, Bruck captured the ambient hall sound as reflected back to the nominal listener’s ears from the hall’s rear walls and ceiling, with that nominal listener seated roughly in the center of the mic array. The intent was to capture a hemisphere of sound where the nominal listener was situated, with the “up” and rear channels consisting entirely of reflected sound (an exception is the flugelhorn solos in the third movement; that instrument was situated in the back of the hall).

     

    … if a listener wants to reconstruct the original set-up, all that has to be done is route the right rear channel to an overhead speaker and the left rear channel to a center rear speaker; the two “hall” channels devoted to reflected sound are still intact, as recorded.

     

    The effect of hearing all four channels is not to swamp the music in reverb but rather to add another dimension of clarity and realism, an effect that is clearly perceived when the rear channels are suddenly muted. The locational cues are of course still provided entirely by the front channels, as the direct sounds captured in those channels arrive to the listener first.”

     

     

    Bruck recorded Mahler’s Third in an immersive way, capturing height information and enabling listeners with immersive audio systems to reproduce the performance extremely close to how it was captured. But, this is where we enter uncharted territory, at least for me.

     

    The pertinent part of the liner notes for those of us attempting to play the rear and height channels as they were captured, is this, “route the right rear channel to an overhead speaker and the left rear channel to a center rear speaker.” I don’t know of many audio systems that have center height and center rear channels (home theaters yes, but not music systems). My solution to this issue is to route the audio a bit differently to my 7.1.4 system (7 ear level, 1 subwoofer, and 4 ceiling height channels).

     

    As I said, this is uncharted territory for me, so I’m willing to admit mistakes and happy to make corrections to this technique, in service of the music. I’m testing several different channel routing options, which are easy to play given the flexibility of my immersive audio system.

     

    Using Music Media Helper, I routed the audio in the following way for my first attempt at reproducing this as captured. Front left and right remain front left and right. The rear left channel that captured the rear of Fairfield Concert Hall is routed to both rear left and right channels. The rear right channel that contains what the microphone pointed upward captured, is routed to all four of my ceiling height channels.

     

    I honestly don’t know if this is technically a “correct” way to do things. Perhaps I need to reduce the level in the rear channels by 50% because I went from 1 to 2 speakers, and reduce by 75% for the height channels because I went from 1 to 4 channels reproducing the sound. Or, perhaps this is something in my head that I’m overthinking. I’m eager to accept corrections.

     

    The input to Music Media Helper was the four channel 24/192 version of the recording. The output is a 7.1.4 twelve channel WAV file with music in the aforementioned channels, and nothing in the center, side, and subwoofer channels.

     

    For the technically inclined, the FFMPEG details are = FFmpeg Filter: pan=7.1+TFL+TFR+TBL+TBRIc0=c01c1=C11c6=c21c7=C21c8=c31c9=c3/c10=c3e11=c

     

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    Time Capsule / Listening Session

     

    This is all about listening to music for me. All of the channel routing and thinking about how best to reproduce it as Jerry Bruck intended, is all in service of the music. I love music and go to great lengths to make listening an incredibly enjoyable experience. After about 5 seconds of listening to Mahler’s Third “immersively” I easily concluded it was worth the extra effort up front, to enjoy this time capsule of a recording for a lifetime.

     

    Pressing play on Kraftig Entscheiden and immediately hearing the horn section and percussion sound so realistic and as if I’m sitting in Fairfield Concert Hall in July of 1970, five years before I was born, was an otherworldly experience. We’ve all seen photographs from a time before we were born, but most people have never experienced being audibly / virtually placed in a concert hall 50 years ago and listening to the London Symphony Orchestra play right in front of them, like Jerry Bruck has enabled us to on this impeccably captured and restored recording.

     

    It’s experiences like this, playing a 1970 orchestral recording through an immersive audio system, that turn me and other novices into classical fans. I doubt I took many breaths for the entirely of the nearly 34 minute first movement! I was in awe of the music, the performance, the recording, and the experience as a whole. Just magnificent!

     

    A huge thank you to Jerry Bruck at Posthorn Recordings, Bob Witrak at High Definition Tape Transfers, and John H. Haley at Harmony Restorations LLC, for making this possible. This is what most audiophiles and music lovers I know live for.

     

     

     

     

    Purchase this recording at High Definition Tape Transfers: Mahler Symphony No 3 & Strauss Death And Transfiguration - Jascha Horenstein LSO (HDTT15476) (link)

     

     

     

     

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    Thanks, Chris for all those kind words and for spreading the word on this new HDTT release, which all of us who worked on it (Bob Witrak at HDTT, me, and the immensely talented recording engineer Jerry Bruck, with good contributions and assistance from Misha Horenstein and Jerry's wife Louise) are very proud of.  We are also very grateful to have the opportunity to follow upon the work of two towering musical geniuses, composer Gustav Mahler and conductor Jascha Horenstein.  And thanks to you, jrobbins, for posting the link to John Marks' excellent article in The Tracking Angle.  Another detailed review by Rushton Paul has appeared in the webzine Positive Feedback, here:   https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/music-reviews/horensteins-mahler-third/ . 

    You are correct, Chris, that no content was added to the front L and R channels for the stereo version. We experimented with mixing in some of the reflected sound from the rear and/or "up" channels, but the result was a loss of clarity.  Much of the stunning clarity that Jerry achieved is due his mic placement scheme that maximized phase coherence in the sound that was captured by his four mics, and mixing in seriously out-of-phase reflected sound from one or both of the two "hall" channels degraded that clarity.  The big contrast here is with the multi-miked Unicorn recording, which was well recorded for its day by a leading engineer (Bob Auger), employing an unknown number of mics, perhaps 20, mixed into eight recorded channels, and from there further mixed down into two, with that result of course compressed for LP release.  

    I applaud your experimenting with playback thru your immersive system, especially since you have an array of overhead speakers that most listeners will not have.  My suggestion is to set the levels such that the "up" and "rear" material never overpower what you are hearing coming off the stage in the front channels.  However, expect that at the huge climaxes the two "hall" channels will add quite a good volume of sound to the listening space, which is correct.  That is how this recording sounds. 

    I would just point out that four channel playback of this recording still works remarkably well in a more traditional 4 channel set up, with the 4 channels all in one plane.  This aspect is discussed at greater length in my piece in the liner notes, which you have kindly linked.  

    It is gratifying that you are enjoying this wonderful music and Jerry Bruck's splendid recording of it!  

     

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    14 minutes ago, John H. Haley said:

    Thanks, Chris for all those kind words and for spreading the word on this new HDTT release, which all of us who worked on it (Bob Witrak at HDTT, me, and the immensely talented recording engineer Jerry Bruck, with good contributions and assistance from Misha Horenstein and Jerry's wife Louise) are very proud of.  We are also very grateful to have the opportunity to follow upon the work of two towering musical geniuses, composer Gustav Mahler and conductor Jascha Horenstein.  And thanks to you, jrobbins, for posting the link to John Marks' excellent article in The Tracking Angle.  Another detailed review by Rushton Paul has appeared in the webzine Positive Feedback, here:   https://positive-feedback.com/reviews/music-reviews/horensteins-mahler-third/ . 

    You are correct, Chris, that no content was added to the front L and R channels for the stereo version. We experimented with mixing in some of the reflected sound from the rear and/or "up" channels, but the result was a loss of clarity.  Much of the stunning clarity that Jerry achieved is due his mic placement scheme that maximized phase coherence in the sound that was captured by his four mics, and mixing in seriously out-of-phase reflected sound from one or both of the two "hall" channels degraded that clarity.  The big contrast here is with the multi-miked Unicorn recording, which was well recorded for its day by a leading engineer (Bob Auger), employing an unknown number of mics, perhaps 20, mixed into eight recorded channels, and from there further mixed down into two, with that result of course compressed for LP release.  

    I applaud your experimenting with playback thru your immersive system, especially since you have an array of overhead speakers that most listeners will not have.  My suggestion is to set the levels such that the "up" and "rear" material never overpower what you are hearing coming off the stage in the front channels.  However, expect that at the huge climaxes the two "hall" channels will add quite a good volume of sound to the listening space, which is correct.  That is how this recording sounds. 

    I would just point out that four channel playback of this recording still works remarkably well in a more traditional 4 channel set up, with the 4 channels all in one plane.  This aspect is discussed at greater length in my piece in the liner notes, which you have kindly linked.  

    It is gratifying that you are enjoying this wonderful music and Jerry Bruck's splendid recording of it!  

     

     

    Hi John, thanks for the additional details! you are 100% correct that this recording works very well in "just" a four channel setup :~)

     

    I listened quite a bit to the four channel version as designed versus my re-routed version. So much fun to do, without any right or wrong answers. 

     

    Thank you for all the hard work that went into putting this together. 

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    Just listening to the online sample through a pair of headphones (HD800) tells me, that this is quite special. I like classical recordings that capture the sense of space and texture in the notes and this one does both quite well. I can only imagine how this will sound through high quality speakers in a well conditioned listening room.

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    Just bought the stereo version.

    Yes, it has unusually good sense of hall, space and depth.

     

    Just another example of what we all know: it's not the equipment, it's the skill of the engineer. Maybe it's a dying skill, but guys who know how to place mics always get really good recordings. There is stuff from the mid 50's on (where the equipment wasn't nearly as good as later stuff, especially the tape recorders) that sounds fantastic, even today. 

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    Well this recording certainly does have incredible DR.

    Went from this straight to playing a modern pop album and had to turn down the volume by about 10db because it was deafening otherwise.....

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    When we talk about classical music we actually mean western art music, a term which hasn’t really caught up in most music circles. But when contemporary classical music comes to play, we understand why art music makes more sense.  

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    22 minutes ago, FIndingit said:

    When we talk about classical music we actually mean western art music, a term which hasn’t really caught up in most music circles. But when contemporary classical music comes to play, we understand why art music makes more sense.  

    That’s 100% Greek to me 🙂

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    15 hours ago, firedog said:

    Just another example of what we all know: it's not the equipment, it's the skill of the engineer.

    In this case, it is an engineer who knew the music intimately and then knew "how to place mics."  I have and prize some of Jerry Bruck's other recordings:

    MAHLER:  Symphony No.3
    redball.gif Mignon Dunn (Mezzo soprano), Columbia/Barnard Chorus, Riverside Women's Choir, Manhattan School of Music Children's Chorus, Manhattan School of Music Symphony Orchestra and Chorus Conducted by Glen Cortese (Live performance) redball.gif Titanic Records Ti-252 (Two CDs) 

    MAHLER:  Symphony No.6
    redball.gif Manhattan School of Music Symphony Orchestra Conducted by Glen Cortese (Live performance)
    redball.gif Titanic Records Ti-257 (One CD)

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    I wonder if anyone has compared this release with the old Unicorn recording of the same performance.  I have it and it is awesome, even if only 44.1/16 …

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    2 minutes ago, austinpop said:

    Wow, this is a truly stunning release. I am a sucker for Mahler 3rd's, but when it's done with this combination of performance and recording quality, it becomes more than just a listening session, it's an emotional experience.

     

    While all the praise for the recording is justified, I must in fairness add that you still have to add "for the period" to every accolade. Some limitations of the period are just hard to overcome. There is that telltale tinniness in the upper treble which is evident especially in the massed violins, trumpets, french horns, and especially cymbals. On the other hand, the woodwinds sound absolutely glorious here, as do tympani.

     

     

    That said, every recording makes compromises, so you have to look at the totality of the experience. And on that score, this recording stands as one of the great Mahler 3rd's and is a vital addition to any collection. It certainly is to mine.

     

    I was eagerly awaiting your comments @austinpop. I'm happy you like this one as well, because I know how much you know and love Mahler. Keeping perspective is always important. Thanks so much for the comments. 

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    I have bought it in stereo and DSD 64 and the quality of the recording is impressive.

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    Quick question only tangentially relevant… does Music Media Helper work with dsd files?

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    12 minutes ago, Audio_ELF said:

    Quick question only tangentially relevant… does Music Media Helper work with dsd files?

    Yes, but not all the tools. Here's one with a DSF file

     

     

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    Thanks Chris.

     

    looks like I need to dig out a Windows computer and see what it will do (primarily reallocating channels is my desire). Trying to get some 5.1 SACD rips to work.

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