Jump to content
  • The Computer Audiophile
    The Computer Audiophile

    My First 24 Hours With MQA

    thumb2.jpg

    1-Pixel.png

    It all started with an email on December 4, 2014. “Hi Chris, It is my great pleasure to provide details on Meridian’s breakthrough technology, MQA (Master Quality Authenticated). The press release is pasted below. And attached is a white paper …” That seems like forever ago. In the ensuing months MQA has been growing like a snowball rolling downhill. More manufacturers getting on board, more content partners signing up, and more chatter within Computer Audiophile community (among others). Based on objective site analytics, I can easily say that since CES 2016 the interest in MQA has grown immensely here on CA. Much of the talk since MQA’s first introduction has been speculative because only a relatively small number of people have actually heard MQA music. Even those who’ve heard it, have likely not heard it in their own audio systems. That was until Meridian officially released the MQA enabling firmware for its Explorer2, Prime, and select components (818v3,*808v6 and Special Edition Loudspeakers) Thursday February 4, 2016. I downloaded the firmware and updated my Explorer2 to v1717. It’s now MQA enabled and I have a DAC that decode and render this content through my own audio system in my own listening room. I’ve been waiting for this forever. I’ve heard MQA at shows plenty of times, but never in my own familiar environment. Now that the hardware was enabled for MQA playback, I needed some MQA music to play. Late afternoon I received an email with a link to download ten MQA FLAC files. Click, save, unzip, play, listen … MQA rules, it’s the best thing since sliced bread. If only it was that cut and dry.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

    Listening To MQA

     

     

    Like most people, I wanted to listen to a single MQA track and have my mind blown by fidelity I could only dream of prior to MQA. I also wanted to compare MQA versions of tracks to non-MQA versions of the same tracks and come to sweeping conclusions that the MQA version was so much better I would never go back to such unsophisticated non-MQA music again. My list of wants was a bit unrealistic, but my expectations were set at a normal level while I hoped for the best.

     

    In addition to the ten tracks sent to me this afternoon, I purchased some content directly from the 2L record label’s website. This enabled me to purchase both the MQA and non-MQA versions of the same music. What could be more telling than two versions of the same thing? Or, so I thought.

     

    First up on my list to listen to was Stille lys (Quiet Light) by Jan Gunnar Hoff (link). I received the MQA version of track one titled Mitt Hjerte Alltid Vanker and I purchased the 24 bit / 192 kHz download of the same track. According to 2L the album was produced in DXD (Digital eXtreme Definition 352.8kHz/24bit). I would have downloaded the original DXD version but the Explorer2 doesn’t support sample rates over 192 kHz. The MQA version of the track appears in Roon as a 24/44.1 track because Roon sees the file like a DAC without an MQA decoder. Fortunately Roon, or any other application, simply needs to send the audio out to the DAC bit perfectly (unchanged) so an MQA enabled DAC can unfold the file into a higher resolution if needed. While playing this track through the Explorer2, the MQA light illuminates blue and the 4x sample rate lights are also illuminated. The LED lights up blue to indicate an MQA Studio file is playing. MQA Studio files are artist/producer-approved studio releases.

     

    Prior to this afternoon I had never heard this album at a show or in my own system. I would have preferred listening to music I am very familiar with, but at this point we have to take what we can get. I started with the MQA version of Mitt Hjerte Alltid Vanker and played it through three times. It sounded wonderful. Right from the beginning I noticed a clarity to the sound of each note as the hammers struck the strings and a superb decay as the tone faded into a black background. It really is a stellar sounding piece of music in all its MQA glory. That said, the 24/192 version of this track is also terrific. The main differences between the two versions of this track are 1) The MQA version has an uncanny clarity and sense of space around each individual note that is just not present in the standard 24/192 version. This space is specifically around each note, not necessarily presented as a larger or more airy soundstage as a whole. 2) The 24/192 version sounded like the microphone was closer to the strings and the sound was more narrow as if each note was compartmentalized its own silo. 3) On the MQA version, the tone of the decay of each note has a purity to it or an appropriate color to it that isn’t present in the standard version. I really noticed this sense of hearing the entire note, from the initial hammer strike to the last decibel of the decay, in all its glory.

     

    I’m not into hyperbole or writing something with which I am unsure. Thus, I gave myself a blind ABX test by putting the two versions of this track into a playlist, listening to them back to back, then setting the queue on repeat and random and pressing the next button several times without looking. I did this several times and immediately selected the correct MQA or non-MQA version of the track every time. Readers should keep in mind that just because I immediately picked the correct version of the track, doesn’t mean the differences are night and day. These things are subtle. But, once heard it’s hard not to hear the differences.

     

     

    Up next was the album Ein Song Frå Dei Utsungne Stunder by Berit Opheim, Nils Økland & Bjørn Kjellemyr, also known as The BNB (link). This album was originally produced at 16 bit / 44.1 kHz by 2L. Playback through the Meridian Explorer2 illuminated the MQA light in blue and didn’t light up the 2x or 4x LEDs. This MQA album remains at the same resolution seen by Roon, 16/44.1. The Explorer2 internally upsamples the audio to 4x (176.4) but that’s a topic for another time. This entire album sounds fantastic. Great vocals and great double bass accented by a sweet fiddle and viola. I noticed two subtle differences between the original and MQA versions of this album. 1) The original non-MQA version contained what I’ll call a plastic edge to the sound of some instruments. There was something synthetic about the sound that likely can’t be heard unless one has the MQA version for comparison. 2) The non-MQA version has a darkness or dullness to it that isn’t present in the MQA version. This isn’t darkness associated with the blackest of backgrounds or a low noise floor, rather its a deadness that’s heard with the sounds of the instruments. As with the previous album, the differences are not equivalent to bumping the volume by a few dB. They are subtle and may not be apparent all listeners, especially when listening to unfamiliar music.

     

     

    Switching to music that I am a bit more familiar with, I listened to a track titled When I Go from Judy Collins’ album Strangers Again. On this track Judy duets with Willie Nelson. Roon sees the track as 24/44.1 while the Explorer2 DAC sees it as 2x (most likely 88.2 as that’s the resolution of the HD version available from HDtracks and others (link)). The Explorer2 also illuminated the first LED as green rather than blue. Blue is the MQA Studio color, but green indicates that the unit is decoding and playing an MQA stream or file, and that the sound is identical to that encoded. I am not 100% sure what this means in terms of the MQA process to turn the music into an MQA album from a standard high resolution album. For all I know it may mean that the album was converted to MQA for its smaller file size, without much of the wizardry that goes into the MQA white glove process of creating MQA Studio files. Don’t quote me on that, it’s just a wild guess. (see edit 2 below) Perhaps that wild guess has something to do with the very small sonic differences I heard on this Judy Collins / Willie Nelson track. I thought if there was one track, out of the ten I received, in which I would really notice a difference, it would be this track. Most of us have heard Willie Nelson a million times and are familiar with folk music (more so than classical for many people). After listening over and over to the MQA and the original high resolution versions of this track I think the only noticeable difference I hear is a touch more natural or appropriately soft sound in Willie’s voice. On second thought, I believe there is also a difference in the sound of the opening drums. (I literally went back and listened a few more times). The MQA version of the track seems to reproduce more of the drum’s frequencies or make more of the drum audible. It’s not that the drum has a super wide frequency response, rather the non-MQA version seems to lose some of the drum sound into the background. The MQA version seems to reproduce a fuller drum sound with better decay than the non-MQA version. Either way, this track was a tough one for me as I struggled to hear the differences I wanted to and I thought I would hear.

     

    Edit 1: I just received a quote from Alan Silverman, Mastering Engineer on the Judy Collins track When I Go:

     

    “We have done many blind comparisons of my original high-resolution masters with and without the MQA process. MQA is the consistent winner. What mystifies me about the technology is the purity of tone and natural realism that MQA unlocks from my high-resolution recordings. The MQA playback is more satisfying and not by just a subtle shade. MQA has educated my ear to digital artifacts that still exist, in spite of the best practices with the best equipment, by eliminating them. It is perhaps a holy grail of digital audio.”

     

    More specifically about the track When I go Alan said, "I’ve just compared the MQA playback with my original 88.2k 24-bit master and find the MQA to be mystifyingly more satisfying, and not by just a subtle shade. Listening to Willie and Judy, their voices sound much more real, at the same time, they have a textural filigree and detail of tone that I am not hearing in the original master! The same holds for the banjo and the subtle electric guitar in the right channel. I am delighted and extremely enthusiastic about the MQA process.”

     

     

    Edit 2: This just in from MQA ltd., "There is no sonic difference between files marked as green or blue, it is only about Provenance or Approval." In addition, "Today Alan Silverman asked us to move the Judy Collins [album] up to Studio."

     

     

    Wrapping Up The First 24 Hours

     

     

    Overall I am happy with the MQA music I’ve heard. I wish I could render an opinion, that would carry across all MQA products and music, that MQA is always better by a wide margin, but this isn’t the case. The differences I’ve heard so far are subtle and my opinions are limited to the music and hardware I used in the last 24 hours. I also have a suspicion that the MQA process will be more beneficial to recordings that were done under less than stellar circumstances (i.e. lesser quality A to D converters, etc…). The 2L recordings are done with the utmost care using very good equipment and very good engineers. While there is still improvements MQA has made to the original 2L masters, I’m willing to bet there are greater improvements to be made to more traditional popular recordings or very old recordings. On the other hand, it may not be easy to compare an MQA version and non-MQA version of some old recordings because the MQA version has been done with the white glove process. It would be the same as comparing two difference masters of the same album, of course they’ll sound different. There will be clear differences with or without MQA. The real question many people will want answered is, how much of the difference is MQA and how much is the white glove process? But, does this question really need to be answered? I’m not so sure because we don’t have the option of getting new white glove masters of some of our favorite music. If MQA is the impetus to get us better sounding music, that’s all that really matters. In a dream world we may have the option of a white glove MQA and white glove non-MQA, but this is the real world. The options are, MQA or live with what we already have. Anyway, the MQA train is finally leaving the building. I’m cautiously optimistic that everything will work out and we’ll have better sounding music without too much trouble.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    System I used for playback:

     

    Roon software running on SOtM sMS-1000SQ Windows Edition server and SOtM sPS-1000 power supply > Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 USB 2.0 Cable > Meridian Explorer2 DAC > AudioQuest Yosemite 3.5mm to RCA Cable > Constellation Audio PreAmp 1.0 > Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 7 Interconnects > Constellation Audio Mono 1.0 Amplifiers > Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 7 Speaker Cables > TAD CR1 Loudspeakers.

     

     

     

    1-Pixel.png




    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    If only our favorite music was released by boutique labels :~(

     

    I've been buying more SACDs recently. I'd love it if major labels allowed Audio Fidelity, MFSL etc to release PCM remasters on DVD-ROM or even downloads. Acoustic Sounds is selling DSD downloads which are also on SACD. And some are done by well known engineers. I can't see buying a download that's available on disc. Especially when the discs are the same price and sometimes less than the download.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I've been buying more SACDs recently. I'd love it if major labels allowed Audio Fidelity, MFSL etc to release PCM remasters on DVD-ROM or even downloads. Acoustic Sounds is selling DSD downloads which are also on SACD. And some are done by well known engineers. I can't see buying a download that's available on disc. Especially when the discs are the same price and sometimes less than the download.

     

    The only caveat there is getting those SACDs from disc to disk. Annoyingly difficult! -Paul

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'm not in the US, but if you want to send me a couple of tracks electronically in ripped form for comparison, I'm sure we can work something out. The DVD is a DVD/CD set, with the CD being the remaster you don't like. It wouldn't shock me if the original CD sounds better, I've definitely come across that with classic rock remasters.

     

    Got the CD today and just ripped it to flac, ran the tmeter on it and it is the DR13 master I wanted. I'd be glad to get you a few files if you got a way. I never fooled with dropbox or anything like that. I can transcode it to any format if you'd like something other than flac.

    Just PM me with any ideas.

     

    Analyzed: If I Could Only Remember My Name / Artist: David Crosby

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DR Peak RMS Duration Title [codec]

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    DR14 -0.00 dB -20.88 dB 3:20 01 - Music Is Love [flac]

    DR12 -0.00 dB -15.04 dB 8:10 02 - Cowboy Movie [flac]

    DR14 -0.00 dB -18.48 dB 3:31 03 - Tamalpais High (At About 3) [flac]

    DR13 -0.00 dB -15.26 dB 5:25 04 - Laughing [flac]

    DR12 -0.00 dB -18.98 dB 4:13 05 - What Are Their Names [flac]

    DR14 -0.01 dB -18.58 dB 3:46 06 - Traction In The Rain [flac]

    DR13 -1.21 dB -17.29 dB 6:00 07 - Song With No Words (Tree With No Leaves) [flac]

    DR12 -0.00 dB -18.06 dB 2:00 08 - Orleans [flac]

    DR9 -2.41 dB -18.54 dB 1:18 09 - I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here [flac]

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Number of files: 9

    Official DR value: DR13

     

    Sampling rate: 44100 Hz

    Average bitrate: 829kbs

    Bits per sample: 16 bit

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    If only our favorite music was released by boutique labels :~(

    Yep, If only is right Chris. :(

    If only the major labels cared enough about what they were releasing in the HDA formats to use people like Wilson or Hoffman to head the projects and give us the best sounding product they could, the inflated prices being charged for the old classic rock/blues releases be worth it.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Back around 2010 when hi-res was just starting to become popular, some releases like Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Tom Petty etc were available and advertised as "uncompressed". Why did it stop?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Back around 2010 when hi-res was just starting to become popular, some releases like Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Tom Petty etc were available and advertised as "uncompressed". Why did it stop?

     

    Guess: it didn't sell that well. If it had, they'd still be doing it. McCartney's last solo album, was DR 7 in mp3 and CD. DR 10 in hi-res.

     

    10 isn't great, but it's a lot better than 7.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Guess: it didn't sell that well. If it had, they'd still be doing it. McCartney's last solo album, was DR 7 in mp3 and CD. DR 10 in hi-res.

    10 isn't great, but it's a lot better than 7.

     

    Maybe they used compression during mixing. Wikipedia says McCartney started recording his first solo album at home with no mixing desk, on a Studer 4 track machine with no VU meters. Nice!

     

    All Things Must Pass isn't particularly dynamic sounding either. So maybe those albums weren't the best to market as "uncompressed".

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Guess: it didn't sell that well. If it had, they'd still be doing it. McCartney's last solo album, was DR 7 in mp3 and CD. DR 10 in hi-res.

     

    10 isn't great, but it's a lot better than 7.

    Looking at a couple sources that album is a bit of a funny duck.

    This info comes from the HDTracks About posting. Looks like the 24/96 files are upsampled? from various digital recordings? I'm not sure what they mean by "mastered at 96/24?

    "Please Note: Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 12 are 48/24 recordings mastered at 96/24; tracks 5, 11 are 44/24 recordings mastered at 96/24"

    Four different producers were used at various times, it's kind of all over the place. I would guess the SQ also varies greatly from track to track?

    Not my cup of tea in any case.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Looking at a couple sources that album is a bit of a funny duck.

    This info comes from the HDTracks About posting. Looks like the 24/96 files are upsampled? from various digital recordings? I'm not sure what they mean by "mastered at 96/24?

    "Please Note: Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 12 are 48/24 recordings mastered at 96/24; tracks 5, 11 are 44/24 recordings mastered at 96/24"

    Four different producers were used at various times, it's kind of all over the place. I would guess the SQ also varies greatly from track to track?

    Not my cup of tea in any case.

     

    I see a lot of those notes on HDtracks site. I can't imagine other download sites don't get the same files. However, as the owner of an audiophile record label, I feel Chesky is being disingenuous with some of the crap they sell. Like if it makes $$$$ they don't question it.

     

    BTW, I noticed the Christopher Cross albums say "Digital recordings, mixed analog, mastered to 24/192" I suspect they used the analog master tapes and didn't remix because they most likely would be mixed digitally these days?

     

    I wonder if they're recent hi-res digital transfers or upsampled redbook files? The CD's sound very well produced considering they were done on that early 3M digital recorder.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Looking at a couple sources that album is a bit of a funny duck.

    This info comes from the HDTracks About posting. Looks like the 24/96 files are upsampled? from various digital recordings? I'm not sure what they mean by "mastered at 96/24?

    "Please Note: Tracks 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 12 are 48/24 recordings mastered at 96/24; tracks 5, 11 are 44/24 recordings mastered at 96/24"

    Four different producers were used at various times, it's kind of all over the place. I would guess the SQ also varies greatly from track to track?

    Not my cup of tea in any case.

     

    No, I think the sound across the album is pretty consistent. It's simply an album purposely done with different producers. That was part of the idea. It's actually not uncommon for recordings to be in 24/ 44 or 48 and then upsampled for mixing and mastering - to preserve all the headroom during the various manipulations. At least they were honest about where it came from.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    No, I think the sound across the album is pretty consistent. It's simply an album purposely done with different producers. That was part of the idea. It's actually not uncommon for recordings to be in 24/ 44 or 48 and then upsampled for mixing and mastering - to preserve all the headroom during the various manipulations. At least they were honest about where it came from.

     

    Please, let's get this thread BOT.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Maybe they used compression during mixing. Wikipedia says McCartney started recording his first solo album at home with no mixing desk, on a Studer 4 track machine with no VU meters. Nice!

     

    All Things Must Pass isn't particularly dynamic sounding either. So maybe those albums weren't the best to market as "uncompressed".

     

    They simply made a more volume compressed version for the non audiophile market. I think it shows an assumption that that market is mostly mobile listening, therefore higher compression is warranted and expected.

     

    All Things Must Pass was heavily compressed during the original mixing of the tracks for vinyl. So many tracks in the Phil Spector production that it had to be heavily compressed to even produce the mix and get it on vinyl. But it still sounds much better without more volume compression being added to make it "louder"; in 2010 there was a hi-res remaster with a DR of 12, very similar to the original album. In 2014 they did another remaster and compressed the volume down to a DR of 9. The 2010 version is way better, but the Harrison family pulled that one in favor of the 2014 version.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    In 2014 they did another remaster and compressed the volume down to a DR of 9. The 2010 version is way better, but the Harrison family pulled that one in favor of the 2014 version.

     

    Wow! You can't win!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Wow! You can't win!

     

    You can torrent a copy of the 2010 version that they pulled from the market...but don't tell anyone I said that.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I see a lot of those notes on HDtracks site. I can't imagine other download sites don't get the same files. However, as the owner of an audiophile record label, I feel Chesky is being disingenuous with some of the crap they sell. Like if it makes $$$$ they don't question it.

    Just to be clear I don't mean to pick on HDTracks, it just that I've always bought from them and have the most experience there. You are correct, all the retailers are getting the same files from the labels. To bad they're all using that as an excuse for delivering some less than stellar masterings.

    OK Sorry for going so far OT, let's all get back to bashing MQA. :)

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Just to be clear I don't mean to pick on HDTracks, it just that I've always bought from them and have the most experience there. You are correct, all the retailers are getting the same files from the labels. To bad they're all using that as an excuse for delivering some less than stellar masterings.

    OK Sorry for going so far OT, let's all get back to bashing MQA. :)

     

    The one exception is Acoustic Sounds, which sometimes has it's own masterings in addition to the same ones as all the other vendors.

    Also, also tangentially relevant - there are Japanese masterings which are often different than the ones in Europe and the US, and can be bought online.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Hi Guys - I have Bob's response to the MQA questions in hand and should have it up in the site this evening. It's a very nice piece of work at 30 pages long.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Hi Guys - I have Bob's response to the MQA questions in hand and should have it up in the site this evening. It's a very nice piece of work at 30 pages long.

    Holy cow!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Hi Guys - I have Bob's response to the MQA questions in hand and should have it up in the site this evening. It's a very nice piece of work at 30 pages long.

     

    I have no idea of the quality of his answers, but he was asked some tough questions, and I find it both admirable and amazing that he put the time in to answer in what is apparently great depth.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Hi Guys - I have Bob's response to the MQA questions in hand and should have it up in the site this evening. It's a very nice piece of work at 30 pages long.

    Does it say anything of interest. LOL

    Guess we'll see.

    Thanks Chris for all the work invested!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Does it say anything of interest. LOL

    Guess we'll see.

    I guess we know what colored glasses you'll be reading through :~)

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I guess we know what colored glasses you'll be reading through :~)

    You know they're rose colored Chris. I always see everything in the best possible light.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Wow, what a comprehensive response. Clearly the MQA folks have a lot of respect for the CA community. This took a lot of work. Many thanks for the effort team MQA!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Does it say anything of interest. LOL

    Guess we'll see.

    Thanks Chris for all the work invested!

     

    I think it does. He gave pretty comprehensive answers to some of the doubts and questions people had about MQA.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Guest
    This is now closed for further comments




×
×
  • Create New...