bobfa Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 There are many ways to build a computer system for desktop or specifically for audio systems. Linux is used on many audio system devices for many reasons. I am a bit of a computer geek, so I keep digging to see what I can find that works better, sounds better, and can get into more peoples systems to enjoy music. The internet is a BIG place and until about a month ago, I missed seeing Tiny Core Linux. It is designed to do many things that we have found are required for better sound quality. Less overhead, no extra processes, run in RAM, small footprint. The OS requires 46 MB (megabytes) of RAM to run in. In intel land it needs a i486DX processor. Pop open a tab with http://tinycorelinux.net/welcome.html and check it out. There are ports to various platforms, such as Raspberry Pi. I "discovered" Tiny Core Linux because PiCorePlayer is built on it. PiCorePlayer is a complete music system OS for Logitech Media Server and Squeezelite Player. I "wonder" what more can be done here? Create a variant that runs Roon Bridge, or NAA, etc. Like I said, this is an introduction. I am writing about my experience with PiCorePlayer Here --RJF Currawong 1 My Audio Systems Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 IMHO the footprint should be fairly unbeatable, though even more benefits could be easily reaped for free https://github.com/supreme-neck-protecta/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments (Don't forget to change the URL from https://github.com/dynobot/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments/raw/master/install.sh to https://github.com/supreme-neck-protecta/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments/raw/master/install.sh) Here's another freebie https://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/p/the-skit-pcp.html https://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2021/08/introducing-skit-15.html Of course the "stock" Linux kernel provided by the developers of piCorePlayer should be nothing to write home about IMHO, once we compare something like that with Xenomai 2 / Xenomai 3 etc. https://wiki.csie.ncku.edu.tw/embedded/xenomai/rtlws_paper.pdf#page=6 http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1148515/FULLTEXT01.pdf#page=69 If that link to first PDF file above weren't working, try this Google link instead by going for the first result on top and then take a look at page 6 afterwards https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.csie.ncku.edu.tw%2Fembedded%2Fxenomai%2Frtlws_paper.pdf And then we've got Xenomai 4 / EVL right now https://evlproject.org/core/ As usual it's also available for free with quite a few interesting options https://www.stsd99.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=20179#p20179 NoKVM2 HDs https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDs.img.7z.001 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDs.img.7z.002 NoKVM2 HDx https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDx.img.7z.001 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDx.img.7z.002 Quote piCorePlayer 8 Powered by Kernel 5.13.1 EVL Just a few typical reactions, actually pretty much everyone who gave that a shot (Noël Edition was still Xenomai 3 back then but now it's already Xenomai 4 / EVL) turned out to be pretty darn happy about it https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/60691-how-is-the-pi-4/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-1102195 Quote Thank you so much! This is truly amazing and sounds so good. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/60691-how-is-the-pi-4/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-1102488 Quote Overall the NOEL piCorePlayer Version in combination with the Squeezelite version by soundcheck sounds absolutely amazing. So far that OCXO clock board for 50 bucks (I mentioned that on page 3) also worked fantastically for audiophiles in Taiwan and Vietnam etc. Currawong 1 Link to comment
bobfa Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, seeteeyou said: IMHO And then we've got Xenomai 4 / EVL right now https://evlproject.org/core/ As usual it's also available for free with quite a few interesting options NoKVM2 HDs https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDs.img.7z.001 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDs.img.7z.002 NoKVM2 HDx https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDx.img.7z.001 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pcp-44.1KHz/master/pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDx.img.7z.002 OK I am going to give this a try. What are the two variants above? I assume that 001 and 002 have to be combined in some way.??? My Audio Systems Link to comment
bobfa Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 OK I am going to give this a try. What are the two variants above? I assume that 001 and 002 have to be combined in some way.??? My Audio Systems Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Basically those variants (i.e. NoKVM2 HDs / NoKVM2 HDx) were created with different compiler options, some preferred the former one while the others liked the latter one. In other words, some system-dependent variables might be involved so please feel free to compare both. Simply grab both 001 and 002 parts and then put them together, finally use 7-Zip to extract either image (e.g. pCP8-Quantum_NoKVM2_HDx.img) automatically without having to combine anything whatsoever. GitHub might not like it very much if someone were uploading a relatively large file, that's the whole point of splitting it up in the first place. Link to comment
bobfa Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 OK Got it! The one I tried did not seem to appear on the network. I will re-test today. Thanks again for the pointers. Klaus at soundcheck blog is outstanding. A great resource to set up the whole system. My Audio Systems Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Previous version of piCorePlayer kernel with Xenomai 3 (most likely the same deal with EVL then?) seemed to require 5V / 3A (as a bare minimum amount of power) in order to boot properly, someone else tried 5V / 2.1A and that's no go https://www.stsd99.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=19815#p19815 Then he tried another 5V / 3A PSU and it's working just fine afterwards. Farad Super 3 should provide up to 3A but you should be going through multiple steps (from barrel to USB-C → from USB-C to the PCB of Argon ONE → from PCB to GPIO) in your own setup, in the end maybe it's hard to tell if there were still 5V / 3A left or otherwise? In addition, M.2 SATA storage itself could also draw quite a bit of power to begin with and not sure if that were competing with everything else? And then doing stuff like this wouldn't be all that pretty as well https://tech.scargill.net/argon-one-case-for-raspberry-pi4/ If you weren't exactly enjoying all that "fun" stuff at all, could it be somewhat easier to purchase another unit of Raspberry Pi 4B instead? FYI - in reality they're actually assigning the first Pi 4B to be NAS, the second Pi 4B to be music server, and the third Pi 4B to be endpoint. (i.e. Pi ❶ = OpenMediaVault → Pi ❷ = piCorePlayer w/ LMS → Pi ❸ = piCorePlayer w/ Squeezelite) Other than that, sometimes it's kinda picky about the boot drive and therefore having that USB 3 ⇔ SATA adapter wouldn't be all that helpful in the first place. Usually the developer himself would recommend trying micro SDXC cards instead of USB storage. Link to comment
bobfa Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 The system design I am using is a Pi4 with SSD (4 TB) powered from an HDPLEX power supply as the LMS server. When done, I will have three endpoints: two USBridge Sig devices (CM3) and a pi4 in the primary system. I am changing the case on that pi4 to an entirely passive one with more metal mass and no internal connections. I have meant to ask Farad to make USB-C power cables; I need to do that! Furthermore, I think not to have a third computing device (NAS) and associated network traffic fetching the NAS files. I have not looked at the slim protocol to see how that all works. I can test this with my existing Synology NAS at some point. This is all a lot of fun! My Audio Systems Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 7:04 AM, bobfa said: I "wonder" what more can be done here? Create a variant that runs Roon Bridge, or NAA, etc. piCorePlayer RoonBridge https://github.com/sam0402/pCP-addon/tree/main/RoonBridge Someone actually did put NAA on piCorePlayer 8 Powered by Kernel 5.13.1 EVL while previously he's running Jussi's NAA image for RPi4, then he compared the SQ of both flavors and (of course) pCP seemed to be far superior https://www.my-hiend.com/vbb/showthread.php?13157-piCorePlayer6-1-0-Xenomai-44-1-48KHz雙機入門簡易安裝教學&p=244635#post244635 NAA images https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/images/ I guess that maybe the executable of NAA could be extracted from the NAA image naa-4122-raspberrypi4.7z and then simply copy everything to the micro SD card / SSD with piCorePlayer 8 then? Date Time Attr Size Compressed Name ------------------- ----- ------------ ------------ ------------------------ 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... etc 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... etc/networkaudiod 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 4471 8192 etc/networkaudiod/networkaudiod.xml 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... etc/systemd 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... etc/systemd/system 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 41 0 etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/networkaudiod.service 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... lib 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... lib/systemd 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... lib/systemd/system 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 455 4096 lib/systemd/system/networkaudiod.service 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... lib/systemd/system-preset 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 29 4096 lib/systemd/system-preset/98-networkaudiod.preset 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... sbin 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 385568 389120 sbin/networkaudiod 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... usr 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... usr/share 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... usr/share/common-licenses 2018-03-09 12:34:56 D.... usr/share/common-licenses/networkaudiod 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 7040 8192 usr/share/common-licenses/networkaudiod/LICENSE 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 22 0 usr/share/common-licenses/networkaudiod/generic_Proprietary 2018-03-09 12:34:56 ..... 38 4096 usr/share/common-licenses/networkaudiod/recipeinfo Or something similar to the aarch64 version of this one? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/hqplayer-network-audio-daemon/ https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=hqplayer-network-audio-daemon package() { bsdtar xf data.tar.xz -C "$srcdir" install -Dm644 "$srcdir/etc/default/networkaudiod" "$pkgdir/etc/default/networkaudiod" install -Dm644 "$srcdir/etc/networkaudiod/networkaudiod.xml" "$pkgdir/etc/networkaudiod/networkaudiod.xml" install -Dm644 "$srcdir/lib/systemd/system/networkaudiod.service" "$pkgdir/usr/lib/systemd/system/networkaudio.service" install -Dm644 "$srcdir/networkaudio.service" "$pkgdir/usr/lib/systemd/user/networkaudio.service" install -Dm644 "$srcdir/usr/share/doc/networkaudiod/copyright" "$pkgdir/usr/share/licenses/$pkgname/COPYING" install -Dm755 "$srcdir/usr/sbin/networkaudiod" "$pkgdir/usr/bin/networkaudiod" } Just extract this Debian package with 7-Zip etc. and then figure out what should be copied after checking what's inside data.tar https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/buster/networkaudiod_4.1.1-46_arm64.deb Date Time Attr Size Compressed Name ------------------- ----- ------------ ------------ ------------------------ 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 . 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./etc 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./etc/default 2020-03-21 13:45:00 ..... 0 0 ./etc/default/networkaudiod 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./etc/networkaudiod 2020-03-21 13:45:00 ..... 4471 4608 ./etc/networkaudiod/networkaudiod.xml 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./lib 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./lib/systemd 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./lib/systemd/system 2019-10-01 21:06:24 ..... 438 512 ./lib/systemd/system/networkaudiod.service 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./usr 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./usr/sbin 2020-03-21 13:45:00 ..... 927264 927744 ./usr/sbin/networkaudiod 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./usr/share 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./usr/share/doc 2020-03-21 13:45:00 D.... 0 0 ./usr/share/doc/networkaudiod 2020-03-21 13:45:00 ..... 1996 2048 ./usr/share/doc/networkaudiod/changelog.Debian.gz 2019-10-01 21:06:24 ..... 7359 7680 ./usr/share/doc/networkaudiod/copyright ------------------- ----- ------------ ------------ ------------------------ 2020-03-21 13:45:00 941528 942592 6 files, 12 folders Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 FYI - here's a script for installing NAA on piCorePlayer 8 Powered by Kernel 5.13.1 EVL https://www.stsd99.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=20230#p20230 ssh [email protected] Password: piCore wget -O - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sam0402/pCP-addon/main/HQPlayer/naa_install.sh | sh Though Music Player Daemon should be the best bet for playing files processed by PGGB https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62699-a-toast-to-pggb-a-heady-brew-of-math-and-magic/page/39/?tab=comments#comment-1161895 MPD for piCore http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=20664.0 http://bz31.tuxfamily.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=core:picore Or extract the latest ARM64 / aarch64 version from one of these sources instead https://pkgs.org/download/mpd https://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=config(mpd) https://github.com/jcorporation/myMPDos/tree/master/repository/aarch64 Link to comment
Zauurx Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Which version do you download to install on the Allo USBridge and try to use it only for HQPlayer (NAA) by removing all other services and check if it works better than a GentooPlayer. I have some doubts, but it should be tried. I have an RPI4 but the hardware optimisation of the Allo is great and superior to the RPI4. ROON + HQP / Hdplex H3-i5 + 400ATX >Gustard A26 (NAA twk) > SQM > Benchmark AHB2 / Recital Audio Illumine HEFA Link to comment
Zauurx Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I installed PicorePlayer on my Allo and configured it in NAA. It works without a hitch but in IPV4. I would like to have IPV6... I can't find the solution. However ipv6-netfilter-5.10.77-piCore-v8.tcz is present and loaded in the onboot.lst !! ROON + HQP / Hdplex H3-i5 + 400ATX >Gustard A26 (NAA twk) > SQM > Benchmark AHB2 / Recital Audio Illumine HEFA Link to comment
Zauurx Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 It required: "tce-load -wi iproute2" ROON + HQP / Hdplex H3-i5 + 400ATX >Gustard A26 (NAA twk) > SQM > Benchmark AHB2 / Recital Audio Illumine HEFA Link to comment
Zauurx Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Finally, connected live under IPV6 with ip fix and webgui disable. NAA is launched without going through the "tweaks" page but via the bootlocal.sh 👍 sudo -u tc /usr/sbin/networkaudiod & sleep 5 taskset -p 0x00000008 $(pgrep networkaudiod*) renice -10 $(pgrep networkaudiod*) ROON + HQP / Hdplex H3-i5 + 400ATX >Gustard A26 (NAA twk) > SQM > Benchmark AHB2 / Recital Audio Illumine HEFA Link to comment
WuBai Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 10/5/2021 at 11:39 AM, seeteeyou said: IMHO the footprint should be fairly unbeatable, though even more benefits could be easily reaped for free https://github.com/supreme-neck-protecta/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments (Don't forget to change the URL from https://github.com/dynobot/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments/raw/master/install.sh to https://github.com/supreme-neck-protecta/TinyCore-Sound-Adjustments/raw/master/install.sh) Here's another freebie https://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/p/the-skit-pcp.html https://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2021/08/introducing-skit-15.html I'm running Sam's build for my LMS RPI4 server and am looking to optimize my Allo USBridge Squeezelite player currently running PcP using the Skit tweaks that you linked here. Very good read! However, I'm wondering if the TinyCore Sound Adjustments do anything above and beyond what the SkitTweaks already do. I am unable to get them working because the Supreme-Neck-Protecta link files still reference the old Dynobot files, and he deleted everything. In fact, he was working on an 'Opal' player but that website suddenly disappeared, just like his tweaks on github and even his account here. Strange. Wondering if you or anyone else has had experience getting these tweaks to load on pcp using the new Github location on Supreme-Neck-Protecta. Allen Link to comment
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