MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 I'm trying PGGB with 16GB 2017 MBP, and each 10 minutes track takes around 6 hours to convert. Some big tracks (above 15 minutes) can't be converted to wave neither to wavepack..., I'm uploading these tracks to Dropbox and will post the links later! PGGB_256_album_debug.log Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 4 hours ago, MemoryPlayer said: I'm trying PGGB with 16GB 2017 MBP, and each 10 minutes track takes around 6 hours to convert. Some big tracks (above 15 minutes) can't be converted to wave neither to wavepack..., I'm uploading these tracks to Dropbox and will post the links later! PGGB_256_album_debug.log 120.34 kB · 0 downloads https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g94v07uhg1k1hg9aymo4g/01.-Liszt-Grosses-Konzertsolo-R-18-SW-176.flac?rlkey=v4b166u7kqxc8y3nm6sjuqr0h&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/d4or3gqxy2qdrcg9atpc4/03.-Liszt-Harmonies-po-tiques-et-religieuses-III-S.-173-No.-3-B-n-diction-de-Dieu-dans-la-solitude.flac?rlkey=vrstltaw6zrstk2ntw5v5finn&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/70v0272zjltq06j5ups0n/10-Liszt-Totentanz-S525-R188-Totentanz-S.-525.flac?rlkey=4filz4i6odc12y4e0wlsi86wf&dl=0 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: With 16GB and 256 bit processing, on a Mac the longest track you can process without issue in reasonable time is 6 minutes long. Unfortunately, on a Mac there is no way to manage paging where you can increase the available virtual memory like one can in Windows, so it errors out when you run out of memory. Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Did you intend to ask a question? No, I converted several tracks around 12 minutes, so I don't understand an error with a 10 minutes track. I'm not planning upgrade my computer for buy PGGB... Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, austinpop said: Hi If you have longer tracks that you are trying to evaluate for this purpose, I'm sure ZB, I, or several here would be happy to process them for you: just ask. I'd like to try only these ones: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g94v07uhg1k1hg9aymo4g/01.-Liszt-Grosses-Konzertsolo-R-18-SW-176.flac?rlkey=v4b166u7kqxc8y3nm6sjuqr0h&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/d4or3gqxy2qdrcg9atpc4/03.-Liszt-Harmonies-po-tiques-et-religieuses-III-S.-173-No.-3-B-n-diction-de-Dieu-dans-la-solitude.flac?rlkey=vrstltaw6zrstk2ntw5v5finn&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/70v0272zjltq06j5ups0n/10-Liszt-Totentanz-S525-R188-Totentanz-S.-525.flac?rlkey=4filz4i6odc12y4e0wlsi86wf&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tq7vm32r02r7q1y5pc47o/02.-Liszt-R-miniscences-de-Norma-de-Bellini-R-133-SW-394.flac?rlkey=r0g6eqgsy11pbf6xgq1zbuje6&dl=0 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: I can process these for you, I will DM you to know the settings that fit best for your needs. I'm trying wavpack default, No Eq! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 3:43 PM, austinpop said: What is the target DAC? Oppo Sonica DAC-3 https://www.oppodigital.com/sonica-dac/ Any special recommendation? Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 2:33 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Your settings look all right with the defaults. It is a ESS based DAC, with a Min-phase sharp OS filter, not the ideal candidate for PGGB (defeating the OS filter or a linear phase very short (slow) filter would have been preferrable). Look forward to what you find. Which DAC's are the ideal candidates for PGGB? Did you process my longer tracks with 4 auto or 24 workers? Optimal settings are 4 auto workers, but the tracks I converted used 2 workers, why this happen? They sound better than the ones I converted with 2 workers, but with setting to 4 auto workers... Your conversion: [23-08-16 13:36:41] PGGB Version: 5.2.62, Date: 08-16-2023 [23-08-16 13:36:41] Processing with 256 bit precision [23-08-16 13:36:41] --------------------- 16-Aug-2023 13:36:41 ------------- [23-08-16 13:36:41] Start processing \\?\D:\Downloads\To upsample\Test\MemoryPlayer\Samples\01. Liszt- Grosses Konzertsolo R 18, SW 176.flac [23-08-16 13:36:41] Upsample by 4 to 768000 [23-08-16 13:36:41] Using optimal settings [23-08-16 13:36:41] HF filter on for PCM: NS Optimal (Fixed/Minimal) [23-08-16 13:36:42] Using 24 workers... My conversion: [23-08-08 11:57:05] PGGB Version: 5.2.53, Date: 04-15-2023 [23-08-08 11:57:05] Processing with 256 bit precision [23-08-08 11:57:05] --------------------- 08-Aug-2023 11:57:05 ------------- [23-08-08 11:57:05] Start processing /Users/Parish/Desktop/Novos/HQP Pro/Vyacheslav Gryaznov - Russian Transcriptions (2018) [24-192]/11. On the Dnieper Suite (Arr. V. Gryaznov for Piano)- V. Bride's Dance.flac [23-08-08 11:57:05] Upsample by 4 to 768000 [23-08-08 11:57:06] Using optimal settings [23-08-08 11:57:06] HF filter on for PCM: NS Optimal (Fixed/Minimal) [23-08-08 11:57:06] Using 2 workers... BTW: Sounds as the maximal workers will sound always better? Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 What happens with PGGB license if I upgrade to a new computer? There is a hardware ID with the trial one... Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 9:55 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Purely based on the digital path (in the order): 1. A Chord DAC because the DAC is based on a similar philosophy and they bypass the first stage of PCM filtering, doing no harm to PGGB tracks. 2. An R2R DAC in NOS mode which can allow a sample rate of 16fS or higher 3. Sigma Delta DACs (that accept 8fS or higher rates), that either disable OS filters for PCM automatically or those where they can be disabled. 4. Sigma Delta DACs that accept 16fS or higher rates that may not allow you to disable the OS filter but they have a choice of filters to choose from, especially a short, linear filter or a very short min-phase filter with a very slow roll off. The above needs to be taken in light of my post here. https://ifi-audio.com/products/pro-idsd/ is in your list, I use also an iFi Diablo that uses the same TI BB chip than the Pro iDSD! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: ...Or of course, you have already listened and have arrived at a conclusion. I liked a lot PGGB sound, but my computer can't handle this software well. After one month trying it, I converted less than 10 albuns, so sounds a nonsense I spend $1k with PGGB and more $5k for a new MBP ou Mac Studio for run it! For the same amount, is better I sell my Oppo and Diablo and buy a T+A DAC200, am I right? P.S.: BTW, the Oppo Dac is the only one that I know, that used is sold at double it's new retail price... Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 My preference always was listen to PCM upsampled to DSD, now I'm listening to the album below several times (at least 6 times). Each track I listen twice, the first one upsampled with PGGB optimal settings, and the second one, upsampled to 48k DSD256 / Sinc L / ASDM5ECv2 with HQPlayer Pro, the best combination for my taste and my Oppo DAC. Both albums were upsampled to Wavpack and the tracks with PGGB are more or less double the sizes of DSD256. Maybe the ideal comparation should be PGGB X DSD512, but my MBP goes only to DSD256! Tomorrow I will say which ones sound better! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 4:07 PM, MemoryPlayer said: My preference always was listen to PCM upsampled to DSD, now I'm listening to the album below several times (at least 6 times). Each track I listen twice, the first one upsampled with PGGB optimal settings, and the second one, upsampled to 48k DSD256 / Sinc L / ASDM5ECv2 with HQPlayer Pro, the best combination for my taste and my Oppo DAC. Both albums were upsampled to Wavpack and the tracks with PGGB are more or less double the sizes of DSD256. Maybe the ideal comparation should be PGGB X DSD512, but my MBP goes only to DSD256! Tomorrow I will say which ones sound better! PGGB 256 sounds better than HQPD PCM upsampling, always. More precise, linear, rounded and relaxed sound, with no traces of PCM digital sound. Comparing PGGB with HQPD DSD upsampling my preference remains DSD. Always. Even Audirvana Origin and Roon, both of them upsampling to DSD256 sound better than PGGB, I'm sorry but is my opinion after 4 days comparing the same tracks!!! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Both 32 minutes ago, MemoryPlayer said: PGGB 256 sounds better than HQPD PCM upsampling, always. More precise, linear, rounded and relaxed sound, with no traces of PCM digital sound. I can't explain the reason, but both generated the same amount of data with WAV and AIFF, see tracks size! With wavpack sounds as HQPD compress more than PGGB! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: 1) When you say 'DSD upsampling' was your source track DSD or PCM or both? 2) What did you like about Roon or Audirvana with DSD upsampling? Nothing to be sorry about, based on your DAC and your preferences, if that is what you like, that is what matters. 1) The same PCM tracks were used to compare! 2) I like the analog presentation of DSD upsample! Zaphod Beeblebrox 1 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, kennyb123 said: Can you share details on what leads you to prefer DSD scaling? What kind of music did your test tracks represent? I listen only to classical music, most of them piano music. For my taste DSD is more musical, relaxed and I never feel fadigue. With PCM I stop to listen to music after a couple of hours... The tests were made with this stunning record: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9247232--liszt-harmonies-poetiques BTW, for music lovers try these labels: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/labels/1356/browse?format=3 https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/labels/3696/browse?format=3 http://www.hunniarecords.com/DSD-Audio/ lwr 1 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, kennyb123 said: That shouldn’t happen. Which DAC are you using? Oppo Sonica DAC ou iFi Diablo. kennyb123 1 Link to comment
Popular Post MemoryPlayer Posted September 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2023 Great album released two days ago! https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9506311--rachmaninoff-piano-concertos-paganini-rhapsody austinpop and jhwalker 2 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Who can explain what Audirvana Audio Scan is saying in the attached pictures? The original 24Bits/192kHz file is fine, but after upsample it to 32Bits/768kHz with PGGB the detected quality is the same as a 16Bits/44.1kHz CD? I will post the same in Audirvana thread, because sounds as a bug... Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Does the track play fine? Both of them and the one upsampled by PGGB sounds much better! Zaphod Beeblebrox 1 Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 8:21 PM, Miska said: ...Curse of band-limited PCM! Want to get rid of this problem? Listen to real DSD recordings (not too many of such exist unfortunately)! This one is special: https://www.nativedsd.com/product/40719-virtuosismo/ Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 12/17/2023 at 9:27 PM, davide256 said: Audirvana I'm curious to know why upsample to 64Bits if the DAC accept only 32Bits? I also own a Audirvana Origin license... Did you compare the same file upsampled to 32 and 64 bits? BTW is there any available DAC that supports 64Bits input? Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 37 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: I did not see any mention of 64bits, only 24bits, where did you get that from? Your newest PGGB version doesn't upsample to 64 bits? Audirvana can play 64/768 wav, but output to DAC is 32/768! Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Yes, that is not meant for direct play back to DAC but to enable further processing by other players (like DSP), this way the upsampled files can have a higher resolution and allow the player to process at 64 bits. So, playing 64/768 sounds the same as 32/768? Link to comment
MemoryPlayer Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 8 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: @MemoryPlayer ...The only reason to keep them in 64bits in Audirvana would be to do EQ outside of PGGB. But if Audriana reads them as 32bit floats, then that would lead to truncation. If I want EQ outside with HQPlayer or upsample to DSD256 with Audirvana or HQPlayer, is better use 64its, am I right? Link to comment
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