GentooPlayer

[Ronald Vergeer]

I am not able to connect to gentooplayers.com today. Is it down for a schedule maintenance?

[antonellocaroli]

45 minutes ago, Ronald Vergeer said:

I am not able to connect to gentooplayers.com today. Is it down for a schedule maintenance?

should be OK now

[Ronald Vergeer]

3 minutes ago, antonellocaroli said:

should be OK now

Yes, thanks again

[antonellocaroli]

When it comes to minimal systems:
GP-X86 - Kernel-MIN
IP-Static (dhcp disabled)
WI Disable (Excute Command1 > Stop WI)

ssh enabled and connected
htop

 

[Auke]

On 7/16/2023 at 10:19 PM, WuBai said:

Glad you took the time to make an edit just to tell me how dull it is, LOL!  😁  I love it.

Glad you can laugh about it.. Humor is evenly or maybe more important than a Kernel or two...😉

 

But i'm back to 5.15.92-GentooPlayer-MIN-NOGRAPH-EUPRCU. Its just more musical, my feet are tapping right away.

[Dandou]

3 minutes ago, Auke said:

But i'm back to 5.15.92-GentooPlayer-MIN-NOGRAPH-EUPRCU. Its just more musical, my feet are tapping right away.

That's also my favorite kernel that I'm using on my Allo USBridge. 

[PML]

I kept 37 on my side, better on my System.

[PML]

A little OT but I got this week HAF convolution filter from www.homeaudiofidelity.com and it's far far better than Dirac, I really enjoy Tonality, Stereo Image and natural without any loss, that's a nice service, the best money I spent (with GentooPlayer of course !)

Convolution can do miracle !

[WuBai]

2 hours ago, PML said:

A little OT but I got this week HAF convolution filter from www.homeaudiofidelity.com and it's far far better than Dirac, I really enjoy Tonality, Stereo Image and natural without any loss, that's a nice service, the best money I spent (with GentooPlayer of course !)

Convolution can do miracle !

Once you have the filter, is there a way to implement it in my Gentooplayer LMS+R2 playing process?  I'm very interested in doing this!

[PML]

I do not know in that case how set convolution filter

On my side I set the convolution in vst3 plugin on Audirvana which is used as Host and Diretta target is on GP...

I'm not a specialist of convolution, that's why I used Dirac before, I had a look on rew but without dig a lot...

I think other on this thread use convolution perhaps

[PML]

6 minutes ago, PML said:

I do not know in that case how set convolution filter

On my side I set the convolution in vst3 plugin on Audirvana which is used as Host and Diretta target is on GP...

I'm not a specialist of convolution, that's why I used Dirac before, I had a look on rew but without dig a lot...

I think other on this thread use convolution perhaps

I get the filter in wav with separate Right & Left by Frequency, but perhaps there are differents possibility of export : you can ask [email protected]

 

extract from site :

Here is a list of players compatible with our technology: Roon, HQplayer, JRiver, Foobar (together with the VSTconvolver plugin) and any other player with VST plug-in format compatibility or using Brutefir convolution engine (like Volumio).

Filters can be implemented in Audirvana using our dedicated plugin.

With the filters we deliver an installation instruction for your audio player.

For audio players having only a classic stereo convolution we can generate "downgraded" versions of the correction (no cross talk for instance) Such filters can also be used with hardware solutions like the ones from miniDSP.

 

The classic stereo convolution is really nice dispite the fact cross talk filters is better

[bodiebill]

Looking at that list I am assuming that APlayer and aprenderer are also supported, and these can be run under GP. Here these work with filters created by Acourate or Focus Fidelity. For simplicity and results I can really recommend the latter.

[falco henri]

I m an old using of gentooplayer,! Since it was free !!! You Can thing that Aplayer is better,  😉.''  the diretta target is better ,,!!((

[Auke]

20 hours ago, WuBai said:

Once you have the filter, is there a way to implement it in my Gentooplayer LMS+R2 playing process?  I'm very interested in doing this!

Could this plugin work for it? Never installed it my self.

 

https://forums.slimdevices.com/forum/user-forums/3rd-party-software/113861-gathering-requirements-for-new-dsp-plugin-please-be-realistic

[bodiebill]

49 minutes ago, falco henri said:

I m an old using of gentooplayer,! Since it was free !!! You Can thing that Aplayer is better,  😉.''  the diretta target is better ,,!!((

 

Comparing apples with pears?

Actually, when I use APlayer, I use Diretta also :-)

They are two different things: the first is a player, the second a driver + network protocol.

[bollo]

Hoi,   keep reading a lot about Diretta. If I wanted to try this software, what do i need extra?  At the moment I have  a NAS with LMS > PI with SqPlayer 2  > coax DAC setup. If I wanted to try Diretta, I have to buy an extra PI 3 or 4? And on the NAS side, I use  LMS. Can i keep that or must i buy Miminserver?  Just curious  if is worth the investment?  

[PML]

Diretta can be implemented between 2 RPI one target and one host, but also just one with target and a PC with Asio Diretta Driver and a Player like Audirvana as Host, or a PC on linux with Alsa Driver as Host.

[Auke]

42 minutes ago, bollo said:

Hoi,   keep reading a lot about Diretta. If I wanted to try this software, what do i need extra?  At the moment I have  a NAS with LMS > PI with SqPlayer 2  > coax DAC setup. If I wanted to try Diretta, I have to buy an extra PI 3 or 4? And on the NAS side, I use  LMS. Can i keep that or must i buy Miminserver?  Just curious  if is worth the investment?  

I wil pm you .i have helped someone with info about this in dutch. I will copy and paste that

[Wladimir]

Hi guys, so when you were commenting about different kernels, I got intrigued and did my experiments, so I'm posting my findings now.

 

My Gentoo is running as Diretta target on Pi4, based on PurePi platform and the rest of the build is ShieldPi, Isolator II, FifoPiMa w Accusilicon clocks powered by 2x 325F Supercapacitors (UcConditioner) and output is handled by TransportPi AES.

 

Preceding network chain is carefully designed from several daisy-chained mid-fi switches, powered by LPSs with upgraded fuses treated by Q45T, connected with 14AWG or star-quad 20 AWG cables. And most of all, special care went to vibration control of all the switches and their supplies. Diretta host is Fidelizer Nimitra2.

 

In my system I was preferring RT-EUPRCU-CLTO version and was happily living with 6.1.1. The sound I'm getting with it is captivating, even intoxicating. After every track I throw at it, I want to make a standing ovation and shout BRAVO 🙌

 

So yesterday I tried 5.15.93 and was expecting already mentioned musicality, but what I heard was just more bloated / smeared and atmosphere-less sound (in comparison to 6.1.1, not overall :) ) Switching back to 6.1.1, I'm getting back that more focused / spacious / holographic sound again. Not a world of difference, but easily noticeable and appreciable. 

 

Then 6.1.37 is even more precise, revealing and surprisingly intense (!), I even have to turn down the volume to be on the same level of loudness (but I don't wanna haha).

This one sounds like the EQ of all bands went up a bit - bass digs deeper, highs are higher and perhaps the most prominent are upper-mids now, so that could explain why someone didn't stand the perceived harshness.

 

But the kernel isn't doing the sound harsh, it's just revealing the faults in your system more - probably power supply or resonance related, could be also wrong cabling. In my system - zero harshness, can listen louder than ever before and loving it.

 

As always YMMV & each system is different, etc ;D

Kudos to developers for such an ongoing progress 👏

[Auke]

1 hour ago, Wladimir said:

 

But the kernel isn't doing the sound harsh, it's just revealing the faults in your system more - probably power supply or resonance related, could be also wrong cabling. In my system - zero harshness, can listen louder than ever before and loving it.

 

As always YMMV & each system is different, etc ;D

Kudos to developers for such an ongoing progress 👏

Interesting explanation of what is happening. Will think about it.

Thanks!

[Auke]

@Wladimir

 

Again thanks for your experiment's and posting it. I have experimented today with my rpi setups, vibration control and power supply. It helped to get rid of the harshness with 6.1.37 kernel. So all you wrote is right. What you hear with the different kernels i can agree at for 100%. I have swapped a few times to my sdcards with 5.15.93. i get that bloated / smeared sound. Buth i kind of like it also. it have more swung to it what i kinda miss with the cleaner, more focused and precise .37 kernel.

 

What a great and sometimes frustrating hobby 😁😉

 

 

 

 

[PML]

This pyramid of Ian Canada is quite impressive ! (Finaly I got Holo Red and not Ian Canada - waf has a great power.... ;-)

I feel less alone with the 37 that is so good on my system too !

[WuBai]

Not sure if anybody else only plays local files and does no streaming but if so, it is very beneficial to access your internet router and find your GP IP address and disable web access for that IP if your router has that ability.  This really calms the sound down considerably.  I think this has more to do with my router than with Gentooplayer or my Host RPI4, but then again I have no clue what is actually happening other than it having an calming effect on the sound.  Worth a try for those few of us who play local only.

[bodiebill]

8 hours ago, WuBai said:

Not sure if anybody else only plays local files and does no streaming but if so, it is very beneficial to access your internet router and find your GP IP address and disable web access for that IP if your router has that ability.  This really calms the sound down considerably.  I think this has more to do with my router than with Gentooplayer or my Host RPI4, but then again I have no clue what is actually happening other than it having an calming effect on the sound.  Worth a try for those few of us who play local only.

 

When playing a local file you could even try to disconnect the ethernet cable altogether.

[WuBai]

53 minutes ago, bodiebill said:

 

When playing a local file you could even try to disconnect the ethernet cable altogether.

This would be ideal, but unfortunately it wouldn't work for my setup.  I'm running Diretta so I have a direct ethernet connection between my Target and Host RPIs.  My Host RPI is connected to my router via a Wifi Dongle and I need this connection in order to control what track plays.  This is the IP address that I disable Internet Access for in my router.

 

But you do bring up a new experiment for me to try.  Maybe if I create a long enough playlist, I can begin playing then pull out my Wifi dongle completely and see if it will play through the entire playlist.  The Wifi Dongle is much better in my system compared to an USB/Ethernet connection to the router.  It may have something to do with grounding, I'm not sure.  Filtering the noise from the dongle also makes a huge improvement.  I use an Ian Canada UcConditioner along with a small IFI USB filter.  If I could negate 'any' EMI from the dongle while playing by physically disconnecting it, well that would be amazing. I will try later today!