Ethan Winer Null Test For WIre

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On 11/11/2018 at 3:50 PM, mintakax said:

Please someone knowledgable comment on this ? 

 

Sure.  Ethan Winer wrote a book entitled "The Audio Expert" and claims that all components and all cables sound identical as all retain the fidelity of the input signal.  Ethan also claims that if your playback system does not sound like the live performance, it's due solely to the placement of the recording mic's at the live performance.

 

Kinda' silly if you ask me but 'nough said.

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Ask him yourself.  But if he also claims all cables sound the same and all components sound the same cuz they all retain the fidelity of the input signal doesn't seem to phase you, do you really think his response (whatever it may be) to your question, should you ask, would phase you?

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I've engaged in more "meaningful monologue" than I care to admit with "The Audio Expert".  Do your homework before you choose to follow somebody.  There are other audio forums you know.

 

 

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18 hours ago, 4est said:

I know that I am not supposed to go there, but sadly, many of those posters simply do not know how to listen, cannot hear or refuse to accept. I am utterly perplexed that this even needs to be argued. Some cables sound remarkably different than others-some for the better, many for the worse. Its pretty darned repeatable too. And talk about bias, Winer is a poster child for that...

 

Regrettably, in 21st century high-end audio we have witnessed our "untrustworthy" ears become unnecessary apendages and have been replaced with our "trustworthy" eyes.  Mind you, in an audio-only industry.

 

So rather than strive to improve ones ability to discern what they hear and improve their playback system, they instead try to bring everybody else down to their base levels.

 

The old holy grail of striving toward the live performance or the absolute sound has been replaced with measurements and paper tigers on audio websites.  Even though there has yet to be invented a measuring instrument to measure sound quality or levels of musicality.  Go figure.

 

Perhaps this explains why guys like Ethan (and many reviewers) have so many followers.  Sad fer sure.

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20 hours ago, esldude said:

Striving toward live performance is a worthy goal.  Stereo has inherent limitations making that impossible.  The path to maybe get closer to the illusive goal isn't gilding the lily of stereo, but doing something else instead.  No golden ear gilding will do the trick.  I've come to this conclusion recording music.  Not any base level other than I've heard the live sound, and the live feed and the recording.  Stereo can't get us there.  MCH is a significant though not fully sufficient step forward.  

 

Even then, the main impediment is over-processed recordings which is true of 99.9% of those you can buy.  

 

To follow your logic, since recording music brought you to this conclusion, then you must also think the MQA format is crazy outta' this world the most musical "hi-rez" format that ever existed.  That's what Robert Harley of The Absolute Sound and John Atkinson of Stereophile think and they are both sound engineers.  So you must think like them. 

 

Nobody said anything about golden ears but rather the simple ability to discern or interpret what we hear.  Without even basic audible discernment we probably would all derive at the same conclusions as you.  In other words, developing our ability to interpret what we hear helps us to realize just how far short of the mark a given playback system is. 

 

As for your plug for multi-channel, well, again you lack understanding of the severe distortions already plaguing virtually every last playback system and are compounded with every additional speaker, cable, and amplifier.  If the distortions are so severe with just 2-channels then, according to you, even more distortive channels will draw us closer to the live performance? 

 

Interesting.  Not surprising but interesting.