HQ Player

[ericcatz]

On 2022/9/6 at PM12點09分, dericchan1 said:

@米斯卡 對不起，麻煩您了。實際上，我有一個舊的 allo usbridge 和閃閃發光的 sbc。預加載的dietpi gui 實際上在那裡顯示了一個NAA 守護程序選項。這真的可以作為 Hqplayer NAA 工作嗎？

 

 謝謝 

 

德里克

I also had an Allo USBbridge dusted for a long time.

I have to regret to say that the Allo USBbridge's compatibility with USB DACs is pretty baffling.

So I would rather DIY a Raspberry Pi 4B + 10M OCXO + super capacitor / software moOde + NAA,

(https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/buster/networkaudiod_4.1.1-46_armhf.deb)

In this way, not only the sound quality is great, but also switching between HQPe & moOde MPD play is very simple and convenient.

 

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 1:28 PM, dericchan1 said:

Hi Eric, How did that happen my message got translated to Chinese? 😂 

 

what is this NAA image file you provided in your previous message is for?

(https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/buster/networkaudiod_4.1.1-46_armhf.deb)

 

thanks

 

Deric

Hi Deric!

Chinese content is from Google Translate.

The usage of NAA image file is, putty logs in to moOde,

Enter the default username pi, password moodeaudio, log in to the ssh environment

Enter the following commands in turn to complete the installation of hqplayer NAA:

wget https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/buster/networkaudiod_4.1.1-46_armhf.deb

sudo dpkg -i networkaudiod_4.1.1-46_armhf.deb

After re-opening moOde, there is the function of HQPlayer NAA,

During MPD playback, when you want to switch to HQPlayer, you can easily switch to NAA playback by pressing the pause button of software playback first.

Hope the above information is helpful to you!

 

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:04 PM, dericchan1 said:

Thank you Eric. Just a couple more questions for clarifications.

 

1) the NAA image you provided 4.1.1.46-armed.deb

is this the image for sparky or this is actually the image for raspberry pi 4b?

 

2) during mpd playback in moode, if I want to switch to NAA, I will just press “pause” during the song then restart the song? I am just a bit confused here.

 

3) I am currently just using the NAA raspberry pi 4 image provided by Miska and with a windows hqplayer desktop license then use the hqplayer wv to control playback. I suppose your method is basically using moode as the library management and playback control app but you still need a hqplayer desktop to connect to the Raspberry pi 4 with moode/NAA?

 

thanks

 

Deric
 

 

 

The simple reply is as follows:

1.) The NAA image is applicable to all RPi playback software (including moOde, Volumio & piCorePlayer, etc.), and is a Linux-based RPi plug-in.

2.) 3.) Reply together, you can see that I am in the control environment of HQPe by looking at the playback screenshot I posted above;

In other words, when you press pause on moOde, moOde is in a paused state; all operations can be switched to the playback environment of HQPlayer, you can find and set your Network Audio backend device in Configuration, and then all operations are performed in All controls of HQPlayer are completed, HQPlayer4Client, HQPlayer wv, etc.

After you stop and close HQPlayer, go back to the moOde audio player web page and press the play button to continue playing MPD.

Anyway, you just need to understand that you are in the same player, controlling and playing two completely different software.

Above

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:54 PM, dericchan1 said:

Thanks for the trick above Eric, yes essentially I can use Moode for library management, add songs to play list, then press pause then switch to HQP NAA mode and play the songs with hqplayer. Then I can switch back to moode if say I want to use moode for internet radio......

 

Eric, one thing I noticed is you have chosen AMSDM7 512+fs and in DSD 512 playback. How do you like it compared to say using DSD256 with 7ECV2?

 

You had inspired me to give DSD512 a try and I started playing a remastered version of Led Zeppelin II and noted the sound is cleaner but "softer", lacking of attack a bit compared to DSD256, not sure if that's the right description of what I heard.

Ha ha! Deric!

I haven't heard DSD256 of 7ECV2, my HQPe engine is playing with INTEL J5105 miniPC, I am waiting for NUC or miniPC like 13900K or AMD ZEN4 to come out and can play DSD 1024 of 7ECV2 directly without GUDA!

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 3:30 PM, blueninjasix said:

The latest RopieeeXL image turns Usbridge Signature into a very capable NAA for HQPlayer

Ha ha! This discussion thread is a bit crooked, and it went to the RPi NAA!

The purpose of using RPI as NAA is to make the sound quality more extreme and more pleasing to the ears!

In addition to the above, RPi can add 10M OCXO & super capacitor,

You can also use the storage media to install playback software or music files,

For example, for moOde, I use Intel Optane M10 (16GB M.2 2280) in a USB external box to boot and play.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/tw/en/ark/products/series/132776/intel-optane-memory-m10-series.html

This product has been phase out, so the price is very cheap.

But the sound quality is amazing!

All RPi software that can play as NAA, except moOde & pCP can be booted with an external USB, other playback software does not seem to have this function (including Volumio or RopieeeXL).

[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 9:09 PM, dericchan1 said:

Sorry for derailing this thread a bit. Eric, I am interested to find out a bit more on the OCXO clock and super cap add on to your RPI4. Can you please refer to where you bought these?

 

thanks

 

Deric

It seems a little difficult to provide the purchase link of OCXO clock and super capacitor; because I bought it on Taobao.com, which is in the country, I wonder if you can open the webpage?

However, I can provide screenshots of the webpage in the attachment.

1. Built-in OCXO clock accessories

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=650821434968

 

2. External OCXO clock accessories

clock board

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-22434018432.15.2a0c1c00jS2nlp&id=581436565642&mt=

clock crystal

https://www.digikey.tw/en/products/detail/taitien/NA-10M-2503/6126536

NA-10M-2503

 

3. Super capacitor filter board

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=642864422111

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[ericcatz]

On 9/6/2022 at 10:42 PM, ericcatz said:

It seems a little difficult to provide the purchase link of OCXO clock and super capacitor; because I bought it on Taobao.com, which is in the country, I wonder if you can open the webpage?

However, I can provide screenshots of the webpage in the attachment.

1. Built-in OCXO clock accessories

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=650821434968

 

2. External OCXO clock accessories

clock board

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4002-22434018432.15.2a0c1c00jS2nlp&id=581436565642&mt=

clock crystal

https://www.digikey.tw/en/products/detail/taitien/NA-10M-2503/6126536

NA-10M-2503

 

3. Super capacitor filter board

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=642864422111

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In fact, I DIY one set of internal clock system and one set of external clock system. The advantage of external clock is that I can replace the clock with better performance at any time.

[ericcatz]

9 hours ago, Miska said:

 

If you use RPi4, why not use NAA OS instead?

 

As long as you have used two different RPi versions of HQPlayer NAA before and after, you will know the difference between them?

1. NAA OS exists exclusively for HQPlayer, NAA image 4.1.1.46-armed.deb can exist any RPi playback software (in the form of plug-ins), and the scope of application is wider!

2. NAA OS can only be used on Pi 4; NAA image 4.1.1.46-armed.deb can break through the limitation of hardware, I have tried at least it can be used on Pi 3B+ (I have not tried other RPi hardware, I am not sure )

3. NAA OS can only be played on microSD, NAA image 4.1.1.46-armed.deb can be played on external USB media.

There may be other differences that I haven't thought of yet.

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

4 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Just so you're aware, you are talking to the developer of HQPlayer and the NAA software...

Of course I know Miska is the developer of the HQPlayer & NAA software!

Because Miska has raised a question, I am just expressing my true thoughts based on the position of a music enthusiast and lover!

I just pursue the ease of use of the playback software and the ultimate in sound quality! Don't take it too seriously!

[ericcatz]

19 hours ago, Miska said:

Yes, that's the point, nothing else is needed. It is minimal single-purpose thing, on purpose. It is on purpose as narrow scope as possible. Anything extra just adds unnecessary disturbances.

 

In addition, NAA OS is true 64-bit operating system and true 64-bit build of networkaudiod, taking full advantage of RPi4 hardware without having to make compromises for backwards compatibility with older hardware. It's a bit like AVX2 build of HQPlayer itself.

 

The package (not image) you are referring to, is 32-bit build. There is also 64-bit arm64 build, intended primarily for various iMX8M hardware such as CuBox Pulse.

Thanks Miska for telling the difference between NAA OS and NAA Package?

In order to try the effect of this 64 bit NAA OS, without further ado, I immediately wrote the image file with microSD to play the test.

After listening for a while, I personally feel that the sound quality of this 64-bit NAA OS is really great!

Whether it is the cohesion and envelopment of the sound, the separation of vocals and musical instruments, the balance and extension of the three frequencies, the 3D presentation of the sound field, etc... Sounds better than other versions.

However, the version combination mentioned here must be HQPe + NAA OS to easily distinguish the difference; after changing the desktop version (HQPD) + NAA OS, the difference is not so obvious!

Also, could Miska tell me where the NAA Package 64 bit version file is?

I want to try it when I have time. How big is the difference between 32 bit & 64 bit under the same playback software?

Thanks!

 

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

17 hours ago, Miska said:

Difference is that most DACs don't support DSD at multiples of 48k. Because traditionally all DSD content is only on 44.1k base. This is why there's the 48k DSD check box, to allow such output for the few DACs that actually support it. For other DACs, you usually don't get sound at all, or you get noisy/distorted sound, or sound is played at wrong speed (first gen Holo Spring for example).

 

If you have output set to SDM, 48k DSD unchecked and adaptive rate enabled, then HQPlayer will refuse to play any 48k base content.

I found out after testing (I own a Musician Pegasus NOS R2R dac & another Topping DX7 pro),

Most non-R2R DACs (that is, general Sigma-Delta DACs) do not support 48K DSD file playback. If it is directly connected to the DAC via USB (ALSA playback), not NAA RPi playback, it is not impossible to play (no sound), otherwise it is Make noise. Only RPi NAA can play music that can be automatically down-converted by a 48K family DSD (such as 24, 12, 6M) by one order (playing 22, 11, 5.6M) in a general DAC.

You don't have to worry about playback settings at all.

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

1 hour ago, dericchan1 said:

@Miska my friend just received his holo red streamer which should support NAA and it’s CM4 based
 

Can you please advice what NAA image he will need to write to the TF card for hqplayer NAA?

 

Thanks

 

Deric

@ dericchan1You can try the NAA video file
https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/images/naa-430-raspberrypi4.7z

[ericcatz]

1 hour ago, dericchan1 said:

My friend might have picked the wrong usb uac2.0 output mode in the Red bridge menu and somehow Hqplayer was able to detect the red and the dac (WITHOUT) a NAA image inserted to the RED but would stutter really badly even at 24/192 pcm

In RPi 4, try to use the NAA image file alone to boot (it has the simplest adaptability), and avoid using the operating system provided by the machine manufacturer.

Only small suggestion

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

21 minutes ago, itguy61 said:

It does not have sound playing directly out of HQP with Roon shut down.  I always test that first if I have any issues.  Only sound on PCM.  Just happened randomly without any changes being made.  

Please change your settings to DSD-128,

DSD-256 is native DSD, Dop can only be set to DSD-128

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

54 minutes ago, woshifeng3627 said:

By the way, can Raspberry PI 5 brush NAA now

On the official download page of Signalyst, you can find the NAA image files of Raspberry 4 and Holo audio Red.

As long as you download it, record it in the misro SD card, and you can use it after turning on the computer. It can be said to be simple and convenient!

But the NAA image file of Raspberry Pi 5 cannot be found.

It turns out that RPi 5 needs to be developed using the 64-bit Debian Bookworm OS environment.

Therefore, all the software developed under the Pi 4 OS in the past had to be overthrown and restarted.

The author hereby shares and records the process of trying to install NAA 5.0 in Pi 5 OS.

First, use the Raspberry Pi Imager program to directly burn Debian Bookworm OS (Lite version or full version) to the TF card.

Then complete the installation of the OS system.

Then log in to the Pi 5 via ssh on another PC or NB and execute the following procedures:

sudo apt update

sudo apt upgrade

sudo reboot

wget https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/bookworm/networkaudiod_5.0.0-59_arm64.deb

sudo dpkg -i networkaudiod_5.0.0-59_arm64.deb

sudo apt install -f

sudo reboot

All done! Ready to play!

***Of course there is another way to install NAA:

After installing the complete HQPe for Bookworm,

sudo systemctl stop hqplayerd.service

sudo systemctl disable hqplayerd.service

You can use it as NAA!

Please refer to my speech on relevant forums in Taiwan:

https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=348&t=5840425&p=95&all=1#89432706

 

Ericcatz

[ericcatz]

The most important thing was not mentioned at all!

According to personal testing, this decoder correction function is only effective in ALSA mode (that is, the player/pc is directly connected to the DAC through USB); it is not effective in NAA mode.

 

[ericcatz]

6 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

That’s not what Jussi says …

Can you show me what Jussi said?

[ericcatz]

3 minutes ago, stefano_mbp said:

Here

 

Thanks! I saw that he mentioned that there will still be problems with the current NAA.

[ericcatz]

52 minutes ago, LoryWiv said:

What about for a deck connected via IIS? The above post suggests it may not detect the DAC via this connection but even if it does or could be so configured, would it still alter sound characteristics?

I haven't tested IIS connection DAC，If correction via USB, the sound is really great!