LUMIN - Audiophile Network Music Player

[stefano_mbp]

8 hours ago, nikolaos1969 said:

Hi, Stefano what is your experience in SQ HQPlayer in relation to lumin.

I don’t own a Lumïn streamer, I just use Lumïn app as a control point then I cannot make any comparison, anyway HQPlayer SQ is fantastic

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20 minutes ago, NikosTsaf said:

@stefano_mbp

- What are the steps to embedded HQ player in lumin app (android)

- Are you using minimserver 2? (which edition?

 

HQPlayer cannot be “embedded” in Lumïn app …
HQPlayer embedded can be used as a upnp renderer.

You need to install HQPlayer embedded on a quite powerful pc (Windows or Linux) or Mac or you can run the HQPlayer OS (full ready to run image based on a stripped Linux distro).

To use Lumïn app with HQPlayer embedded you need to run Bubbleupnpserver (it can be installed on a nas, raspberry, pc Windows or Linux, Mac 

I use MinimServer 2 full license with MinimStreamer 

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10 hours ago, nikolaos1969 said:

The lumin finds via UPnP search the HQ player already installed in Windows ?

Yes it does 

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39 minutes ago, nikolaos1969 said:

Do you think that a fanless server provides better outcome to SQ

I don’t think so … my Minimserver is running on a “normal” Intel Nuc8i3 with fan (16GB ram/Ubuntu 22.04) and the fan very rarely spins.

Should the nas fan be too noisy put it in a closet anyway Minimserver is very light on the nas cpu 

[stefano_mbp]

6 minutes ago, One and a half said:

reload the library, takes a couple of hours 9418 albums.

 

I’m running Minimserver too and Lumïn app takes more or less 40’ to load from scratch my 11000 (more or less) albums library. MinimServer runs on a Intel Nuc8i3/16GB ram/Ubuntu 22.04 and is connected to the lan with a cat6 (1Gbps) Ethernet cable

Which server are you using to run Minimserver? Which cat is the Ethernet cable you use to connect the server to the lan?

12 minutes ago, One and a half said:

Click on update library, and after a few minutes, the Lumin app goes offline, then there are hundreds of grey empty icons for all categories, no library. I keep having to reload the library and go through the same sequence

Do you issue a library rescan before clicking on Update library, and do you wait until the rescan is ended? The Library rescan can be issued:

• from Minimserver menu
• from Minimwatch menu
• from Lumïn app menu

 

[stefano_mbp]

@One and a half … and, in my case, after a library rescan, the library update task in Lumïn app takes around 5’ and all new albums are displayed 

I’m using a iPad 5gen and an iPhone 7 …

…. how much free space do you have on you IPad Pro?

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24 minutes ago, One and a half said:

First try is "Update library". Doesn't work, clock spins for 'ages' then no change, no additional albums.

That is correct, without a library rescan Minimserver cannot detect new added albums.

25 minutes ago, One and a half said:

I check the Minimwatch icon on a local PC, the Rescan from the Lumin app works, I can see the rescan, the Minimserver is offline at this point, and returns 5s later. Rescan does nothing to add new albums, I find Minimserver takes care of that quite well, I can see the albums added when the copy is finished

Can you check Minimserver log during the rescan task? The view log option is on the same menu from which you issue the rescan, maybe the new added albums have some issues and you can find them in the log as, for example, permissions issues or conflicting tags.

For an easier log analysis you can select all log, copy and paste it in a text file, there could be some items beginning with “Error”

33 minutes ago, One and a half said:

I can see the albums added when the copy is finished. 

Where? In the folder structure of your hdd I suppose. This does not guarantee that Minimserver can read them if files have some issue.

38 minutes ago, One and a half said:

Rebuilding the library takes 3-4 hours.

As your server and iPad seem to be up to date and can easily do these tasks I should look at the Wi-Fi network performance.

I’m using an Apple based network, AirPort Extreme router and Airport Express access point, and the performance of my network should be lower then yours, as per specifications, then something wrong seems to happen on your Wi-Fi network.

Can you try, just to try to isolate the issue, to connect your server to the router and to use the Wi-Fi from the same router for your iPad?

[stefano_mbp]

@One and a half … you didn’t mentioned which kind of Ethernet cable you are using to connect the server to the network …

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8 hours ago, One and a half said:

Prior to this mess, updating the library took only a short time

Maybe something messed up  … I should try this

• delete Lumïn app from your iPad 
• go to Minimserver properties 
• select Advanced tab (*)
• in startupScan property you should have “true”, change it to “full”
• restart Minimserver and wait until the library scan will end (it will take a while as Minimserver will scan your library from scratch)
• go back to Minimserver properties, Advanced tab, and set back startupScan property to “true”
• install Lumïn app on you iPad and select Minimserver library, Lumïn app will start from scratch and it will take a while to download the whole library

In this way you’ll reset anything from scratch and if something had messed up the issue should be solved

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(*) startupScan property 

 

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11 minutes ago, gbr said:

full scan in minimserver.

The full scan will rebuild from scratch the xml file that is sent to Lumïn app.

If something messed up this should solve the problem.

Two are the issues:

• non new albums shown in Lumïn 
• an abnormal time (4/5 hours) to load the updates in Lumïn 

 

[stefano_mbp]

@One and a half … my mistake sorry, the correct steps are

• change the property to “full”
• rescan

anyway deleting the cache sorted the same objective and a full rescan started

 

[stefano_mbp]

On 10/16/2022 at 1:41 PM, One and a half said:

I don't know if the ipad is connected to 5 or 2.4 GHz, the router thinks it's on the wired section, I suppose it decides the IP, rather than the Deco units, which are pretty hopeless at routing, their job is just an access point.

 

5 hours ago, One and a half said:

If I want to hear an album right away, I'll use Jriver into the Lumin, and the next day play it from Lumin app. This is the 18th century, isn't it?

definitely annoying …
… at least we have proven that it is not a Minimserver problem.
The doubt therefore remains that it could be a problem with the wifi network.

Have you done any changes to your network before this issue appeared?

Can you try, just to try to isolate the issue, to connect your server to the router and to use the Wi-Fi from the same router for your iPad?

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

4 hours ago, wklie said:

@Easterman What streamer hardware and model are you using?  Any sort of OpenHome renderer you're running?

I’ve the same issue here using Bubbleupnpserver … on iPad 5gen and iPhone 7 both running iOS / iPadOS 15.7 

 

[stefano_mbp]

51 minutes ago, wklie said:

So I have no reason to think this is a bug with Lumin app

… but it worked up to the previous release …

[stefano_mbp]

@wklie … and it doesn’t work anymore if enabling OpenHome support in RoPieeeXL/UPNP&DLNA, in this case Bubbleupnpserver is not involved 

No updates were released for Bubbleupnpserver nor RoPieeeXL in the meantime 

Something weird happened to Lumïn app

Just tried Esoteric app and it works as expected …

 

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@wklie … to give you more hints  … just tried with SOtM sMS200/MPD&Dlna and OpenHome enabled (then again Bubbleupnpserver is not involved) and Lumïn app doesn’t work anymore too

[stefano_mbp]

Following the recent changes to the Lumïn app I will have to review my plans.

    

I was close to buy a Lumïn U2 Mini and the idea was to use only one app to control the U2 Mini and the SOtM sMS200 dedicated to my headphones system, not to mention a couple of systems in my kitchen and bedroom based on raspberry/RoPieeeXL.

   
Unfortunately Lumïn decided to “close the door” to the use of their app with OpenHome compatible systems, since last 8.2 update (for iOS/iPadOS) the app doesn’t work anymore with

• Bubbleupnpserver 
• SOtM sMS200 MPD&Dlna with OpenHome enabled
• Raspberry/RoPieeeXL UPNP&DLNA with OpenHome support enabled

This is a real shame and going with a Lumïn U2 Mini would mean to use different apps to control different systems, this eliminates one of the big advantages of using a Lumïn streamer

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At this point the choice will likely be a Innuos Pulse line streamer.

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It is also regrettable that @wklie hastily dismissed the problem by claiming that nothing had changed and that the app works with Linn devices, that could be fine but who cares? A real shame, and hardly understandable, since until yesterday Peter had always been very helpful.

 

 

[stefano_mbp]

5 minutes ago, Nicoben45 said:

@wkliewon’t ignore the reality of the bug and help Lumin users to manage their different audio gears with the Lumin App, it would be commercially incoherent, the App is a tool to make non Lumin users be interested into Lumin products, elementary 🤓, isn’t it Peter? 

In fact, this is a very short-sighted attitude

[stefano_mbp]

13 minutes ago, wklie said:

 

I did not say nothing had changed.  I claim it is not a bug of Lumin app.

 

I mentioned Linn not because Linn is more important than other OpenHome renderers, but to prove that:

1. Lumin app pause and other affected operations are still OpenHome compliant; if they were proprietary they would not have worked on Linn hardware

2. It is therefore not a bug of Lumin app.  It is not Lumin app that requires fixing for pause / next / previous actions when using other OpenHome renderers.

Then something changed … intentionally, without being aware of it … and this is even worse …

I don’t understand why Lumïn app was working fine before updates 8.1/8.2 and now it doesn’t work anymore even if no changes were done in Bubbleupnpserver or RoPieeeXL or in SOtM sMS200 firmware … last Bubbleupnpserver update, 0.9-update43, was released last March 24th 2022 according to the change log.

 

[stefano_mbp]

@DuckTollerthat’s a great idea … anyway I’m not alone with this issue as you can read in previous posts.

On another forum we are at least three with the same issue.

… and it should be interesting to check the Lumïn Android version as “unfortunately” we are all on Apple devices

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6 hours ago, One and a half said:

Removed BitDefender Total Security from the PC which stores the music files

Good catch! I’m on Mac and Linux (Ubuntu) since 13 years and no “antivirus” are used there, they can be devastating …

Glad you were able to solve this issue.

[stefano_mbp]

2 hours ago, bubbleguuum said:

verify in the web interface, Status tab, that the version is 0.9-update44p1

Running on Ubuntu 22.04 and all is fine again.

Tried play / pause / next / prev / seek playback position and all is well

Many thanks for your very quick intervention 👍 

[stefano_mbp]

11 hours ago, tony31 said:

I guess the Lumin disconnect (or whatsoever) in between tracks due to this long time and my dac see a disconnect somewhere

Just to try to troubleshoot the issue … can you try with local music … nas, hdd/usb ?

[stefano_mbp]

@wklie … about the last Lumïn app version 8.4.0

1. while the forward/backward button is welcome could it be possible to move it to … see empty red box in the attached screenshot, or make it a floating overlay than can be moved around?
2. It happens quite often that resuming the app from background it looses the renderers, could it be possible to add a sort of rescan function to re-discover the renderers without the need of swipe off the app and relaunch it?
3. could it be possible to show the selected renderer … maybe in the yellow box as shown in the attached screenshot?
4. last but not least: add please in album/track details the link to booklets (according to Minimserver configuration “tagFormat=Comment.displayFormat={$*infoFileURI^<a href="^">booklet</a>$comment}”)

thanks for your attention

 

[stefano_mbp]

1 hour ago, gbr said:

Maybe the link could be extracted from the comments and be presented the same way as booklets in qobuz?

That’s the way Minimserver (and any UPNP mediaserver) works. How booklets are presented in detail in Qobuz?