Jump to content
  • ted_b
    ted_b

    The exaSound PlayPoint Stereo/Multichannel Streamer Review

    thumb2.png

    1-Pixel.png

    The exaSound Playpoint Stereo/Multichannel Streamer (Jack of All Trades, Master of at Least Four!)

     

    When the computer audiophile world began to embrace the onset of ethernet-based music streamers, it was slowly becoming clear that not all DACs could seamlessly take part in this (general use) computer-less setup. As DAC manufacturers pushed for better and better integration with computers, some of them went as far as creating specific drivers to take advantage of direct handshaking with such higher resolution formats as raw DSD (as opposed to getting one's DSD packed in a PCM carrier, aka DoP). This integration often had sonic payoffs, but made plug-n-play Linux UPnP streamers, looking for common drivers in the USB Audio Class 2 category (aka UAC2) too pedestrian to be able to talk to these DACs. And although some of this has changed over the past couple of years (Linux code lines now embrace some native DAC drivers of various manufacturers, above and beyond UAC2) some DACs still would rather interface more closely with proprietary drivers. One such DAC manufacturer that has espoused this direct driver philosophy is exaSound.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

    This review is the third of my exaSound trilogy. I first reviewed the wonderful multichannel e28 DAC last year, then earlier this Spring I reviewed the high value e12 stereo DAC. In both of those cases, one of the great benefits of using exaSound and my Windows music servers was the direct playback of up to raw DSD256 via exaSound's own ASIO driver. Through a combination of those proprietary drivers, proprietary volume control synchronization (JRiver, for example), and George Klissarov's company's innate knack for controlling and taming the powerful but often maligned ESS SABRE 9018 chips, these DACs screamed for inclusion into the new world of "computer-less" playback via Linux streamers (a category filled with such products as the Auralic Aries family, Sonore Rendu family, Aurender N series, etc). However, the proprietary nature of exaSound's philosophy made it difficult at first.

     

    exaSound decided to build their own! Their customers demanded streamer capability, yet there was a real pushback on this concept if it didn't address three major goals:

     

    • continue to extract raw DSD and PCM from the server; do not fall back to something less direct than ASIO
    • allow for multichannel PCM and DSD playback up to 7.1 DSD256 to take advantage of the e28 and the new traction for available multichannel download sites
    • must be plug-n-play, yet George wanted it to play in more than the UPnP world.

     

    The exaSound PlayPoint is the name of this new offering. It is ethernet in (Wired or wireless), USB out, and has a second USB port that allows for local USB storage (as MPD renderer). It claims to support up to 32/384k PCM and DSD256, in both 2 channel and multichannel. There are no drivers to load. It acts as five different devices automatically (first come, first served):

     

    1. UPnP renderer (via any number of UPnP control points)
    2. MPD hardware player (using mPod or mPad on your Apple device, or dozens of other free clients in Windows, OSX, Android, etc)
    3. Open Home renderer (UPnP extensions developed by Linn; allows for "smarter" control points like Linn Kazoo, Auralic Lightning, Lumin, etc.)
    4. HQPlayer Network Audio Adapter (NAA) for dual pc FIFO buffering
    5. Apple Airplay Device (not tested)

     

     

    The Playpoint (aka PP), like it's DAC cousins, is a small form factor device that uses an external power supply (dc plug on back panel). The box is 6.5 x 2.2 x 9.25 inches (165 x 55 x 235 mm) and weighs 4 lbs (1.1Kg). The exaSound Playpoint will retail for $1999 and will be available almost immediately.

     

    The PP has a touch screen on the front panel that allows for setup and customizations (channel trims in multichannel, choice of wired/wireless, main volume, playback metadata display, firmware upgrades, multiple PP zone identification, and others). The home screen icons confirm handshakes with either ethernet option, USB dac connectivity and music playback. Once music begins playing, the screen changes to a classic playback screen with pause/ff/rew/stop icons, as well as time elapsed and a description of the format/sample-bit rate. (Note: I have done a couple firmware updates and they run glitch-free and take about 3-5 minutes to complete.)

     

    pp-touch.png

     

     

     

    So...exaSound owners..does this thing really work as they say it does? What does it sound like? Does it benefit from a linear power supply upgrade?

     

    First off, although I have gone on record as not really liking or caring about front panel displays (cuz I listen 12 feet away from the front rack, and my eye chart talents left me years ago) I applaud exaSound for this use of touch screen, for setup and any troubleshooting. Since streamers typically exist as a replacement for using a general use computer as a server, there is usually a web interface or need for other clever computer-based setup tricks. None needed here. The touch panel, albeit small, is loaded with the necessary functions available on several pages (each page for each function). Moreover, George and Company have taken a K.I.S.S. approach to most of the complexity, thereby automatically switching between device functions simply based on the control point (remote control) used. If you fire up a UPnP control point, the PP goes immediately into UPnP mode and starts playback (assuming your UPnP control point has found the device, usually known as "exaSound PP1"). So, use the touch panel for setup and channel trims, then rely on your lap-based control points. Done.

     

    My primary excitement in reviewing this device was centered around the unique ability to stream multichannel music to my e28. (Note: ALL feedback here is identical for my weeks of 2 channel use via the e12 as well, but for now on I will reference multichannel content unless otherwise specified).

     

     

    Mode 1 (PP as UPnP renderer)

     

    What is required to do: have a UPnP server installed somewhere (I have Minimserver on my Synology NAS). Find a comfortable UPnP control point (I use BubbleUPnP on my Android tablet).

     

    The PP was immediately found by BubbleUPnP, and away I went. And due to my multichannel setup where I have now eschewed the notion of an additional multichannel analog preamp and instead go direct (e28 DAC direct to amps, except front speakers which passthru stereo preamp unity gain untouched) I find that using the synchronized volume control of the e28 to be the most musical and revealing. What is nice is that this integration is automatic in the PP, so I adjust native e28 volume via the Bubble app. It is seamless, clean and very very musical. During the extensive evaluation I experienced no dropouts or glitches on anything up to 5.1 DSD256. How does it sound? Great! Of course, I have nothing to really compare it to, except computer-based playback via JRiver and JRemote. The sound is identical, using significantly less pieces of equipment.

     

    Plug-and-play rating of 9 (out of 10), due simply to the bare bones nature of UPnP, and the tight integration of the PP and the e28.

     

     

    Mode 2 (PP as MPD hardware player)

     

    mpad-thumb.png What is required to do: put music on a USB hard drive, plug it in the back of the PP, and download any number of MPD clients (I use mPad for the iPad).

     

    I must note that the local USB/MPD handshake is a simple one, and that exaSound has promised later NAS integration via the ethernet (which will either require an additional touch screen page or a web interface).

     

    I love the mPad interface (reminds me of Apple's Remote app) and find MPD to be incredibly quick to find and load music. Once again, the volume slider on mPad is fully integrated with the e28 volume control so one is not degrading by going through multiple volumes, etc. And although my local USB drive consisted of a noisy 3.5" HDD toaster, I could hear nothing but pitch black backgrounds from this setup. It is a true minimalist's dream, and sounds as good as the Minimserver UPnP setup above. The choice is yours! The only downside is that MPD likes to find cover art in the music folders (i.e. folder.jpg) so if your library is not set up that way then a quick MP3Tag extract project (takes embedded art and creates a folder.jpg in each album folder...takes only a few minutes) might be a good thing. There is no real downside to this approach, and IMHO sets up your library for fewer cover art glitches down the line (as many software players look to cover.jpg first for their art).

     

     

    Plug-and-play rating: 10 (if library is already local and cover art is already set), 7 otherwise.

     

     

    Mode 3 (PP as Open Home Renderer)

     

    What is required to do: install BubbleServer on the same machine as your Minimserver, then add 'exaSound PP1" as an Open Home copy in Bubble's setup screen. Takes a total of 2 minutes.

     

    Linn created the Open Home extension to UPnP to allow for smarter streaming. For example, playlists (either saved or current album in use) now become viewable from any and all control points, as they are owned by the PlayPoint, not by the control point. Like going from one networked DVR in your house to a second one, and resuming movie playback. Also, more elegant control points are available to see the newly created "PP1-OpenHome" on the network. (I use Linn Kazoo for all my OH playback, or occasionally on the Android).

     

    b-thumb.png jl-thumb.png

     

     

     

    As with the earlier modes, volume integration is available on the control points (Kazoo's bizarre volume knob takes 5 minutes and nearly 100 revolutions to go from 0-100 but oh well).

     

    Plug-and-play rating: 7, simply due to the fact that additional software (BubbleServer) is required to install. This rating has nothing to do with PP, and would be my rating on any other UPnP renderer, assuming it also needs no further setup (BIG assumption).

     

    In all three of these streamer modes, my vast collection of DVD-Audio rips, SACD rips, DSD128 and 256 multichannel downloads...all played glitch-free and were available for browsing from my iPad app of choice (I used an Android tablet for simple UPnP but could have used an iPad-based Kinsky, for example). Once I had my channel trims (left, center, right, surround left, surround right, subwoofer) calibrated on the PP touch panel (again, synched to the e28 internal trims) I simply sat back and chose any mode I wanted; the modes were chosen simply based on the remote used. (Note; best practices says one should stop, not pause, the music file playback before attempting to go from one control point to the other).

     

    As I like to classify surround mix categories, there are two clearly distinct ones in my mind:

     

    1) Acoustic (recorded live with acoustic instruments, capturing detail, tone and hall ambience and dynamics. The goal here is minimalism, analog mixes to native DSD A to D. Whether it be Jared's wonderful master recordings of Rachel Podger, Ivan Fischer and the BFO, or earlier fave Pieter Wispelwey...the NativeDSD (and Channel SACD rips)_files sounded incredible. As readers know, I am proud to volunteer my time to be part of the Native team, but would say this about the recordings regardless. The Playpoint/e28 combination is incredible here, and I am transported to each venue.

     

    What was especially fun was the ability to play back DSD256 recordings like the Ensemble in 8 Bits sampler that shows off this recording technique using small quartets, acapella ensembles, jazz duos and modern classical upstarts from the local Dutch music industry. The tonality is spectacular.

     

    2) Adventure (mixed aggressively in all 5 channels, plus LFE, using existing highly produced multitrack content to allow more of the layers of the production to shine through, often using rear channels as aggressively as the front three). My heroes in this category begin with Elliot Scheiner and his work with Beck, Donald Fagen and Steely Dan, to name three. Through the PP/e28 the dynamics are present all around you, yet it's not ping-pong or Star Wars effects. Scheiner's mixes are more logical and content-based than that. Listening to Beck's Sea Change via the Playpoint allowed me to hear all the growl, the grunt, and the off-tone effects of Beck's relationship-split masterpiece as they were intended. His sweet and sour approach to tonality is appreciated in the nice MFSL stereo mix, but the DSD (or DVD_A version) enveloped you in all the synth-string and twangy heartache, and it's quite a musical voyage. I find the subtle cues are much more evident in this simpler signal path (NAS-PP-DAC) than in the former JRiver multichannel playback (WindowsServer 2012, etc).

     

     

    Mode 4 (PP as HQPlayer NAA)

     

    What is required to do: install and use HQPlayer on a computer on your network.

     

    This mode is strictly for users of the Signalyst HQPlayer software. The NAA architecture basically says to use a hefty computer for all the heavy lifting of HQPlayer (upsampling, music browsing, etc) and then use a lightweight computer/device as the FIFO buffer to the DAC, thereby isolating that galvanically from what could potentially be a general use noisy HQPlayer computer. The PP is seen, automatically, by HQPlayer is an NAA device. Pick it in the HQPlayer menu and you are done!

     

    My current NAA is a CAPS Carbon with JCAT USB card. Is this Playpoint it's equal sonically? I would say it's very very close, say 98% of the JCAT machine (the PP has ever so slightly more etched leading edge, and ever so slightly less weight in the lowest registers, yet seems to have a very slightly more tonal midrange, frankly). Yes, those last 2% can be important, but boy do they risk requiring great care and feeding, not to mention cost. So, if you are a tweaker that needs that last drop (as I often am) then the last 2% might be well worthwhile. But to the more reasonable voices in us, it's really very much a mood thing (i.e. life is too short mood).

     

    By the way, the PP as NAA was able to easily stream DSD256 in 5.1 and handle any HQP upsampling to DSD64 5.1 (although I tend to leave my multichannel PCM in PCM).

     

     

    Mode 5 (PP as Airplay device)

     

    This is likely the simplest setup yet, but I did not have my Mac Mini available, so this will wait until later to truly confirm. Given what I have confirmed it is already capable of, I can't imagine Airplay being an obstacle.

     

     

    Summary

     

    This is a somewhat difficult product to review in that I like to give readers a lot of options and comparisons. Instead, this PlayPoint itself gives the readers lots of options, and since exaSound DACs don't talk to Aries or Rendu streamers, nor does the PP talk to other DACS, the comparisons are only as I stated them in this article.

     

    All that being said, this box is a no-brainer to evaluate if you are an exaSound DAC owner, and a clearly unique approach to multichannel streaming for those who haven't bought a system. It does everything it's advertised to do, runs in 3-4 different scenarios, and is built very well, too.

     

    For those without exaSound DACS, put pressure on exaSound to eventually open this PP up to other DACs! Could be good for everybody concerned. There are already announced free updates coming, such as Roon support (RoonSpeaker).

     

    One not-yet-final thought: I have had no time to yet compare linear power supplies. I am currently using the Sbooster BOTW 12-13a supply (they so kindly loaned me two of them, plus SBooster Pluses) and it sounds extremely good and seems to impart even a lower noise floor and better heft...but that is purely a first impression, with no a/b comparison to the stock supply, since I needed 100 hours to break this SBooster in anyway. The conventional wisdom says that the linear power upgrades are likely more effective on the DAC, but I've been surprised more than once on how aspects of computer audio can be almost counter-intuitive. I will update this review (and post in the thread below) when I know more.

     

    Thanks for reading

     

    Ted Brady

     

    CA Profile ex.png

     

    (next up: Fore Audio DaisY1 tube buffered SABRE DAC)

     

     

     

     

     

    1-Pixel.png

     

     

    Product Information:

     

    • Product - exaSound PlayPoint
    • Price - $1,999
    • Product Page - Link ex.png
    • User Manual - Link (PDF) ex.png

     

     

     

     

     

    front-rear.jpg

     

    UPDATE:

    1) As of March 7 exaSound announced that their Playpoint streamer is now RoonReady. What does this mean, and how easy is this to set up?

     

    Well, it means that the Roon audio format sees and shakes hands with the Plypoint as a roon endpoint. One can use Roon to play music through the Playpoiut to any DAC in the exaSystem (my newly coined term, i.e any exaSound DAC). :)

     

    How easy is it to set up? Well, first download firmware 7, let it install and reboot. Then go to your Roon remote and, under Audio setup, find the RoonReady listing for the Playpoint (see pic). Choose it and and name it (example Playpoint1). Then choose Playpoint1 as your zone and voila, you are playing through the Playpoint. What's more you can directly manage the exaSound dac volume from the Roon remote (see it picked up the dacs current -34db setting since that is the last I left it). I'm playing DSD256 through Roon to an exaSound e12.

     

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]24676[/ATTACH]

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]24677[/ATTACH]

     

    2. Playpoint can also be used in many different modes, one being DLNA. Many customers/readers have asked if Playpoint could be utilized using OpenHome control points, since theyu are typically more robust and offer such OH advantages as playlist consistency (i.,e the renderer owns the playlist, not the control point). Up until now the best way to insure that is to install BubbleServer on your music server, which allows one to create a virtual OH copy of a non-OH renderer on your network, but some have had issues with this, or have been unable to install it. Either way, it can be seen as a sort of kludge. Well, George (exaSound founder) has allowed me to announce that he has a working beta version of PP running native OpenHome, and control points like Linn's Kazoo (my fave) works just fine. Look for this as an update in the coming couple of weeks.

     

     

     

     

    1-Pixel.png

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    1-Pixel.png




    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    How does a user get Tidal into this thing? Thanks

     

    If you use an iPad or iPhone, you can install the Tidal app and connect to the PlayPoint via Airplay.

     

    If you are using a Mac, you need to configure the PlayPoint to be the default audio/AirPlay device.

     

    On Android devices BubbleUPnP is an excellent app for Tidal and UPnP playback.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    If you use an iPad or iPhone, you can install the Tidal app and connect to the PlayPoint via Airplay.

     

    If you are using a Mac, you need to configure the PlayPoint to be the default audio/AirPlay device.

     

    On Android devices BubbleUPnP is an excellent app for Tidal and UPnP playback.

     

    Um.. no disrespect George, but isn't there an easier and better sounding way? ..Tidal "embedded" or something?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    George, congratulations on developing such a versatile, cutting edge product.

     

    Of the available options my preference would be to use the PlayPoint as a UPnP renderer. I prefer my DLNA server to be JRiver running on a HTPC because Minimserver still does not support SACD iso files (AFAIK) and I have too many SACD iso files to consider ripping them to dsf. In addition, I think that JRemote is far nicer than BubbleUPnP as a control point.

     

    Regarding gapless support, I understand from the article that Ted has tested the Minimserver + BubbleUPnP combo which does provide gapless. However, this does not mean that JRiver/JRemote will play gapless. I know this because of my recent experience with the new Cambridge Audio 851N streamer which played gapless with BubbleUPnP but not with JRemote.

     

    George or Ted, have either of you tested gapless with JRiver/JRemote?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    George, congratulations on developing such a versatile, cutting edge product.

     

    Of the available options my preference would be to use the PlayPoint as a UPnP renderer. I prefer my DLNA server to be JRiver running on a HTPC because Minimserver still does not support SACD iso files (AFAIK) and I have too many SACD iso files to consider ripping them to dsf. In addition, I think that JRemote is far nicer than BubbleUPnP as a control point.

     

    Regarding gapless support, I understand from the article that Ted has tested the Minimserver + BubbleUPnP combo which does provide gapless. However, this does not mean that JRiver/JRemote will play gapless. I know this because of my recent experience with the new Cambridge Audio 851N streamer which played gapless with BubbleUPnP but not with JRemote.

     

    George or Ted, have either of you tested gapless with JRiver/JRemote?

     

    Thank you for the good words! Your points are valid. JRemote is one of the best control points out there and MinimServer is lacking ISO support. JRiver is one of the very best players on the Windows platform.

     

    Unfortunately we were unable to achieve the same results when using JRiver with the PlayPoint. In our experience MinimServer provided better results. With JRiver we were unable to stream the high DSD sampling rates. For the lower rates JRiver supported only DSD over DoP, not native DSD. Multi-channel streaming was also unreliable. We hope to be able to work with JRiver to resolve these limitations.

     

    From the immediately available UPnP configurations MinimServer with BubbleUPnP provided the best results. This combination supports flawlessly all the formats, sampling rates and resolutions available with our DACs. MinimServer is stable, lightweight and easy to configure and use.

     

    You can find instructions on this forum how to convert ISO DSD files. It is possible to process multiple ISO files in batch processing mode. The positive outcome of this process is that you will have the multi-channel and the stereo tracks separated.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Um.. no disrespect George, but isn't there an easier and better sounding way? ..Tidal "embedded" or something?

     

    The easiest way to use the PlayPoint is with Airplay. We have positive feedback about the sonic experience - Emails from Customers - November 2015 > exaSound Audio Design

     

    We are working on integrating he PlayPoint with the ROON service, and this will bring another option for Tidal support.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Nice bit of kit. Awesome. I agree with Minimserver comments. But I probably wouldn't consider buying this until Tidal and Spotify is embedded properly straight into the PP unit... Sorry. Renderer Manufacturers have to make streaming from the music services an absolute soda.... so an end user can use the proprietry music streaming services apps.. That's a given now for a streamer My 2 c. Sorry... Cheers. :)

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The easiest way to use the PlayPoint is with Airplay. We have positive feedback about the sonic experience - Emails from Customers - November 2015 > exaSound Audio Design

     

    We are working on integrating he PlayPoint with the ROON service, and this will bring another option for Tidal support.

     

    Well Roon integration would be great..but that requires an additional OSX/Win computer to be running in the network... (Roon can't be configured in Linux..) which means it won't run on NAS drives..where most streaming users store their libraries...which kind of defeats the purpose of a simple NAS<>streamer<>DAc set up.. Cheers..

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Thanks George. I've found that one of the best ways to batch extract dsf from SACD iso files is using JRiver. Even so, the process is long and tedious since the program just outputs a string of dsf files. The proper artist and album folders need to be reconstructed manually. In addition, the dsf files need re-tagging as well. Still, it's something that I will eventually get around to doing once I finish extracting all my DVD-A iso files.

     

    Assuming I don't mind using DSD over DoP and I don't have any DSD files sampled > DSD 64, will the PP do gapless with JRiver/JRemote?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Thanks George. I've found that one of the best ways to batch extract dsf from SACD iso files is using JRiver. Even so, the process is long and tedious since the program just outputs a string of dsf files. The proper artist and album folders need to be reconstructed manually. In addition, the dsf files need re-tagging as well. Still, it's something that I will eventually get around to doing once I finish extracting all my DVD-A iso files.

     

    Assuming I don't mind using DSD over DoP and I don't have any DSD files sampled > DSD 64, will the PP do gapless with JRiver/JRemote?

     

    I don't know, I don't think so. We had to abandon the JRiver usage scenario at the early testing stages.

     

    We will be working on enabling additional support for third party services and applications. Based on the feedback that we are getting here we will prioritize and we will start with the ones that open the most exciting possibilities.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Thanks George. I've found that one of the best ways to batch extract dsf from SACD iso files is using JRiver. Even so, the process is long and tedious since the program just outputs a string of dsf files. The proper artist and album folders need to be reconstructed manually. In addition, the dsf files need re-tagging as well. Still, it's something that I will eventually get around to doing once I finish extracting all my DVD-A iso files.

     

    Assuming I don't mind using DSD over DoP and I don't have any DSD files sampled > DSD 64, will the PP do gapless with JRiver/JRemote?

     

    You are making way more work for yourself to extract DSF that way (and depending on the workflow you use in JRIver you are also possibly doing a PCM conversion, since JRIver does PCM from one DSD format to another).. When you get around to that project lemme know. What, pray tell, are you using for your DVD-Audio project?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Thanks Ted. After writing my post I did some research on this site regarding SACD conversion and learned about the various pitfalls, including JRiver converting DSD to PCM before DSF and the potential SACD > DSF clicking issue. Luckily I never got past the testing stage for SACD conversion and still use my iso files with JRiver. Even more luckily I've now learned about (Computer Audiophile user) Bogi's SACD conversion tool that converts SACD>DFF>DSF to avoid the clicking issue and also automatically writes tags from the iso to the DSF. A very nice solution if it works well. Have you tried it?

     

    For DVD-A iso conversion I use Foobar to create multichannel FLAC files. This works very well and the resulting files play properly. As anyone who has looked at the native tagging found on DVD-A iso disks knows the tags are often a mess. In addition, there is generally no standardized DVD-A disk layout. Many contain various combinations of stereo, multichannel, alternate versions, redundant tracks, set-up tracks, etc. so any attempt at batch conversion will probably produce an unusable mess. As a result, my first step was to create accurate tags in Foobar and separate each DVD-A iso into it's constituent parts using Foobar's tagging tool. Then I would use Foobar to convert each iso into it's stereo or multichannel component (leaving behind the garbage tracks often found on these disks) and finally re-tag the FLAC files so that they are properly searchable in my collection.

     

    The process for DVD-A is labour intensive but produces great results. Unfortunately (fortunately?) my SACD iso collection is more than twice as large and I wouldn't want to attempt to convert it without a batch process.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Thanks Ted. After writing my post I did some research on this site regarding SACD conversion and learned about the various pitfalls, including JRiver converting DSD to PCM before DSF and the potential SACD > DSF clicking issue. Luckily I never got past the testing stage for SACD conversion and still use my iso files with JRiver. Even more luckily I've now learned about (Computer Audiophile user) Bogi's SACD conversion tool that converts SACD>DFF>DSF to avoid the clicking issue and also automatically writes tags from the iso to the DSF. A very nice solution if it works well. Have you tried it?

     

    For DVD-A iso conversion I use Foobar to create multichannel FLAC files. This works very well and the resulting files play properly. As anyone who has looked at the native tagging found on DVD-A iso disks knows the tags are often a mess. In addition, there is generally no standardized DVD-A disk layout. Many contain various combinations of stereo, multichannel, alternate versions, redundant tracks, set-up tracks, etc. so any attempt at batch conversion will probably produce an unusable mess. As a result, my first step was to create accurate tags in Foobar and separate each DVD-A iso into it's constituent parts using Foobar's tagging tool. Then I would use Foobar to convert each iso into it's stereo or multichannel component (leaving behind the garbage tracks often found on these disks) and finally re-tag the FLAC files so that they are properly searchable in my collection.

     

    The process for DVD-A is labour intensive but produces great results. Unfortunately (fortunately?) my SACD iso collection is more than twice as large and I wouldn't want to attempt to convert it without a batch process.

     

    I believe the newest version of the sacd_extract tool (0.38) fixes the "clicking issue" when extracting dsf files from your iso's. I don't think you need to first go to dff files in order to avoid the clicks in your dsf files.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Yes, sorry that I sort of hijacked my own review thread. Let's talk detailed DVD-A and SACD ripping and extracting elsewhere. EC is right; v38 fixes the DSF click issue (caused by bad blocks being written). And yes, I've used and documented the use of Bogi's tools (along with Jussi's DFF to DSF conversion app he uses in that workflow). It's a nice alternative to simply doing ISO2DSD in batch mode (both Windows and MAc version use the newest v38), especially if you want simple Windows Explorer right-click autocontext. For DVD A, DVD-Audio via Foobar is one solution, as long as you have the working DVDA plugin (for MLP decoding, etc) but there are wayyyy easier ways to rip DVD-A and then tag, like a simple DVD Audio Extractor, then MP3Tag workflow.

     

    Back to the PlayPoint. I am now VERY impressed with the SBooster power supply when used with the Chord 2Qute and will report the PP (and e12) eval with it starting tmrw. I promised to update the thread/review.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Sorry Ted. I can't agree on the ripping issue. Once your DVD-A iso files are properly tagged in Foobar using it's built-in tagging tools, it's a lot easier to rip DVD-A iso files compared to using DVD Audio Extractor. I've tried both. Of course, Foobar is unbelievably configurable and the ease of use will really depend on how your metadata is displayed and how the GUI is configured. A huge bonus is that once the DVD-A iso files are properly tagged in Foobar the converted tracks are also properly tagged and require almost no further work.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Sorry Ted. I can't agree on the ripping issue. Once your DVD-A iso files are properly tagged in Foobar using it's built-in tagging tools, it's a lot easier to rip DVD-A iso files compared to using DVD Audio Extractor. I've tried both. Of course, Foobar is unbelievably configurable and the ease of use will really depend on how your metadata is displayed and how the GUI is configured. A huge bonus is that once the DVD-A iso files are properly tagged in Foobar the converted tracks are also properly tagged and require almost no further work.

     

    ? I was simply responding to your

    The process for DVD-A is labour intensive

     

    Sounds like it isn't. Great!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I don't get these dedicated streamer devices. It replaces the computer, but it's just a computer running Linux, mpd and some other software. It doesn't have a DAC or any other specific hardware.

     

    So why do I want to replace my $50 Raspberry PI, or my $500 mac mini with this $2000 computer?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    So why do I want to replace my $50 Raspberry PI, or my $500 mac mini with this $2000 computer?

    It's clear you don't want to :~)

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Out of all the professional music equipment that I own midi,audio interfaces,guitars,amps,speakers,why and how is this thing worth 2 grand,can somebody please justify

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    got a cheap micca box and some software and can do the same thing,I mean i know people ain't buying rack systems and all like a few years ago ,but this is pure robbery,2 or 3 company own all the speaker,receiver,etc,then you got the other group acting like they making specialized stuff,when 99% of the parts come from china anyway,why not get together and try to sell to the masses instead of trying to fleece em

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    got a cheap micca box and some software and can do the same thing,I mean i know people ain't buying rack systems and all like a few years ago ,but this is pure robbery,2 or 3 company own all the speaker,receiver,etc,then you got the other group acting like they making specialized stuff,when 99% of the parts come from china anyway,why not get together and try to sell to the masses instead of trying to fleece em

     

    So what does it sound like when you stream DSD 256 files with your Micca box?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    So what does it sound like when you stream DSD 256 files with your Micca box?

    whats does it sound like wasting money

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    craighartley ain't too much of a difference between dsd and pcm if you got dsd files and native equip to play em on yippie,but what the difference between a $5 and a $10 1/4 pound burger,I seen it all in my 52 years ,they selling the audiophile equipment that cost more then the equipment it was recorded on

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites




    Guest
    This is now closed for further comments




×
×
  • Create New...