Popular Post Priaptor Posted October 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2021 7 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: What do those who insist on the thesis of cultural appropriation mean? What exactly has been appropriated? If we are talking about instruments and sound, it is mainly the white man's invention. Trumpets, saxophones, guitars, keyboard instruments, and electric amplification, basically everything except the drums. And then, the modern drum kit developed by whites is very different from the primitive congas. Lyrics? I don't see the point in even starting to compare. The primitive hormone-fueled shriek of a male ready to ejaculate and the complicated meanings and lyrics of white rock bands, there is nothing to even compare. Unless you have a couple of the first Led Zeppelin albums in mind, there's nothing to talk about. Rhythmic figures? OK, that's it? I think the conclusion of cross-pollination inevitably follows from the above. Appropriation went in all directions, and that, as some of the panelists have already said, is characteristic of cultural phenomena. I agree. Personally, while there are those on this thread who have commented to the contrary, I think the term "cultural appropriation" in today's world, has been weaponized. We can literally cherry pick any time in history, where the future benefits from the past and claim "cultural appropriation" from a specific "group" of people. IMHO, cultural appropriation is nothing more than a way to divide us further than we are. I much rather use "cultural appreciation" than appropriation as the former appreciates and honors a culture for their contributions and influences while the latter is used, particularly in today's world, to divide using direct or indirect references to something having been stolen when the real story is usually much more complex. Where do we want to begin or end with this? Does Michael Jordan owe his success to Hank Luisetti, the latter considered to have invented the "jump shot"? Absurd, on the other hand, for those of us who love (or loved) the game we can and should enjoy "cultural appreciation" that so many before, brought to and contributed to the game as we know it. Guess what, those before, predominantly Irish/Italian/Jews barely made a penny compared to the billions some (predominately blacks) make today. Will we use the "cultural appropriation" metric in the same manner? Or do we use it only when the narrative supports a certain slant. I personally will stick with cultural appreciation as one of my favorite bands of all time, The Allman Brothers (with Duane), owe and have acknowledged those who preceded them for their great success. John Dyson, fas42, AnotherSpin and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Popular Post Priaptor Posted October 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said: There will always be a segment of the population that puts forth self serving rhetoric that essentially embraces the status quo. Statements like: "everyone stole from everyone, so there is no such thing as "appropriation"" "whatever happened wasn't my fault, so I just don't care if the music I like has a checkered past" "political correctness has just gone too far and must be stopped" "my favorite band(s) acknowledged/apologized for appropriation, so nothing to see there" There will always be that element that pushes back when the truth of how our society got to this point is revealed. Some will just reject it as lies. Others will respond with apathy. Still others, perhaps feeling a twinge of guilt themselves, will attempt to soften the vocabulary of oppression and theft in a naked attempt to salvage self esteem. And then there's the record companies and all the shady business practices that come with them. But is content really more important than how that content got made? Is the content more important than its provenance? Your comments cast a perspective of disdain for those that disagree with something such as the “cultural appropriation” narrative, with the metrics you state as a barometer. Sorry I don’t buy into your narrative and I don’t lie, claim fault and don’t like the PC culture of today, which according to your narrative puts me into some egregious category. Part of todays issues lie with the absolute comments that some, like you did in your post, make. Not sure who empowers some with the moral compass of appropriateness AnotherSpin and Bill Brown 1 1 Link to comment
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