Popular Post firedog Posted June 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2021 Okay, I'm going to put in my 2 cents. I haven't read the threads in question, and I don't think it matters. In general, the objectivists and subjectivists never convince each other. At all. Not even a little bit. The back and forth is repetitive and pointless. There's an "objective" subforum. People who want to make subjectivist posts and argue that "bits aren't bits" (just one example) - don't go there. But if you do, don't comment. The people there aren't actually interested in what you have to say. Deal with it. And the reverse is also true. If someone posts about different SQ of playback software or digital cables - he clearly isn't looking to argue with objectivists and defend his position - he already knows what camp he is in. So if you are an objectivist and make the mistake of entering that thread or reading that post - leave without comment. It really isn't that hard. No one here needs to be "saved" by someone in the other camp. And no matter what you say, you won't save anyone. Your opinion/POV isn't so important that it HAS to be expressed. The universe will do just fine without a few of your posts. And as Chris said, ask for moderating rights in a thread you start if it's important to you. I'd especially do this in a thread in the objective subforum, as the subjectivists really shouldn't post there - unless they are actually asking questions in order to learn, and not trying to argue or start an argument. charlesphoto, Teresa, MarkusBarkus and 4 others 5 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted June 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, idiot_savant said: @firedog- I agree with the thrust of your post in general, but from my point of view I’ve never accused a “subjectivist” of not hearing what they’re hearing, or expressing a preference - it’s all cool here, but what I do object to is that preference then being ascribed in very objective terms - “less noise”, “less electromagnetic interference” and so on, that I feel should be challenged - not for the benefit of having an argument, or changing that persons mind, more for the silent majority who *dont* post, and maybe if that makes them think, if only for a moment “hmm, maybe there’s more ( or less ) to this than I thought” then that’s got to be good, right? your friendly neighbourhood idiot Understood. I decided several years ago to be careful how I word my posts. I try to always write that my SQ impressions are mine only, and have no general application to anyone else's setup or situation. I also don't demand that people conduct DBTs, as the truth is that in most situations it's impossible for us to do it. So I can't know whether anyone "actually heard" something or not. And as long as they don't claim that their personal (sighted) listening impressions have some general application for others, I feel no need to challenge what they say. As far as ascribing cause and effect, I also agree. But again, it's pointless to argue about it. At most it would be okay to point out that any such assertions are just assumptions, and no actual cause and effect is known. I wouldn't take it any further than that. CapnCulry, botrytis and Teresa 1 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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