Real hires? How do I know?

[Tony Giglio]

Hi guys!

 

How do I know if a song sold, for example on HDtracks, as hires is really a genuine hires?

 

I mean, even if it says 96kHz/24bit, for example, does this guarantee that it is REALLY 96kHz/24bit and not, maybe a saved 96kHz/24bit CD resolution?

 

I have read some articles where they say that sometimes producers do it to sell as they sell at a premium price.

So, from these articles I've read, can happens the manufacturers writes 96kHz/24bit but the sound quality is actually from a 44.1kHz/16bit file converted, on saving, to 96kHz/24bit.

 

Is it true? And how do I know then?

 

Thanks so much!!! <3

[One and a half]

21 minutes ago, Tony Giglio said:

Hi guys!

 

How do I know if a song sold, for example on HDtracks, as hires is really a genuine hires?

 

I mean, even if it says 96kHz/24bit, for example, does this guarantee that it is REALLY 96kHz/24bit and not, maybe a saved 96kHz/24bit CD resolution?

 

I have read some articles where they say that sometimes producers do it to sell as they sell at a premium price.

So, from these articles I've read, can happens the manufacturers writes 96kHz/24bit but the sound quality is actually from a 44.1kHz/16bit file converted, on saving, to 96kHz/24bit.

 

Is it true? And how do I know then?

 

Thanks so much!!! <3

Have a look at this site and download their software, that will work.

 

https://losslessaudiochecker.com/

[Tony Giglio]

2 hours ago, One and a half said:

Have a look at this site and download their software, that will work.

 

https://losslessaudiochecker.com/

Ohhhh ma grazie mille!!!!! Ma se acquisto un brano oramai lo ho acquistato. Come so che, per esempio, HDtracks ha veri audio hires? Grazie mille!

[One and a half]

Well, you don't know until you buy, that's the problem. If the album is upsampled, I'm sure HDTRACKS will offer a refund.

mQA was supposed to fix that problem,  but that promise was false.

[yamamoto2002]

This can be really difficult, musical signal correlated high frequency component can be added to 44.1kHz recorded material using artificial intelligence and it can be disguised as a real high-res recorded data

 

if it captures mouse repellent ultrasonic, computer monitor VSYNC inductor whine, random AC adapter ultrasonic noise, elevator inverter noise or AC bias signal from R2R tape on ultrasonic range, it may be real high res recording

[March Audio]

16 hours ago, Tony Giglio said:

Hi guys!

 

How do I know if a song sold, for example on HDtracks, as hires is really a genuine hires?

 

I mean, even if it says 96kHz/24bit, for example, does this guarantee that it is REALLY 96kHz/24bit and not, maybe a saved 96kHz/24bit CD resolution?

 

I have read some articles where they say that sometimes producers do it to sell as they sell at a premium price.

So, from these articles I've read, can happens the manufacturers writes 96kHz/24bit but the sound quality is actually from a 44.1kHz/16bit file converted, on saving, to 96kHz/24bit.

 

Is it true? And how do I know then?

 

Thanks so much!!! <3

You can look at the audio signal with tools like Musicscope, although a believe thats not officially available anymore.

 

Truth is that a lot of Hires is a waste of time as the original recordings arent.  Even if they are few recordings are made with microphones with responses that extend much beyond 30kHz.

 

A few examples.

 

Fleetwood Mac Rumours 24/96.  Nothing much but noise above 22kHz.

 

Rhiannon Giddons Freedom Road.  Nothing above 24kHz

 

Jazz At The Pawnshop (yes really) DSD.  Nothing above 24kHz except huge ultrasonic noise (thats what DSD does)

 

Beuna Vista Social Club 24/96.  Getting close to 30kHz

 

From A 2L recordings sampler  24/192.  Actually approacning 48kHz but then ultrasonic noise.  presumably dsd sourced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rubysea]

Yes, MusicScope is (still) a very helpful tool for such an analysis.

Please see here for some most recent info on the tool ;-))

Apart from visual analysis, MusicScope can also generat text files with detailed info for every song (text report) or all songs of an album/folder (Folder/ Album report). For that info to be complete though, (eg. display effective bits used) one needs to activate the COF function for the graphical analysis. Analysis will then also take a bit longer to complete.

(To find some more detailed info on MS now you need to use the Wayback Machine of the internet archive)

 

 

[March Audio]

15 hours ago, Rubysea said:

Yes, MusicScope is (still) a very helpful tool for such an analysis.

Please see here for some most recent info on the tool ;-))

Apart from visual analysis, MusicScope can also generat text files with detailed info for every song (text report) or all songs of an album/folder (Folder/ Album report). For that info to be complete though, (eg. display effective bits used) one needs to activate the COF function for the graphical analysis. Analysis will then also take a bit longer to complete.

(To find some more detailed info on MS now you need to use the Wayback Machine of the internet archive)

 

 

 

I didnt know it did that tesxt report.  Cool :)

[Tony Giglio]

GUYS!!! THANK TO ALL OF YOU!!!!!! 

 

Thank you heaps for your precious suggestions and amazing charts!!!!

 

THANK YOU HEAPS!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

[Tony Giglio]

On 5/30/2021 at 7:36 AM, March Audio said:

You can look at the audio signal with tools like Musicscope, although a believe thats not officially available anymore.

 

Truth is that a lot of Hires is a waste of time as the original recordings arent.  Even if they are few recordings are made with microphones with responses that extend much beyond 30kHz.

 

A few examples.

 

Fleetwood Mac Rumours 24/96.  Nothing much but noise above 22kHz.

 

Rhiannon Giddons Freedom Road.  Nothing above 24kHz

 

Jazz At The Pawnshop (yes really) DSD.  Nothing above 24kHz except huge ultrasonic noise (thats what DSD does)

 

Beuna Vista Social Club 24/96.  Getting close to 30kHz

 

From A 2L recordings sampler  24/192.  Actually approacning 48kHz but then ultrasonic noise.  presumably dsd sourced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing! Wooow! Thank you for all these charts' examples!!!!