rattosecond Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I have been using USB for a long time on my Mytek and CAPS. Today got an itch to try the SPDIF of my Gigabyte motherboard. Boy was I surprised! Its hard to admit but I like the using the Toslink more. The sound is more fuller, more organic and the digital artifacts seems to be gone. Am I hearing it right? Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 http://www.head-fi.org/t/702787/chord-hugo/8805#post_11050678 I don't know if there are subtle gain differences at the same volume setting between optical and USB affecting my assessment. I don't know if I just have an insane amount of interference with my LAN network having impact on my USB. I don't know if the technology in optical has made a sneaky and significant advancement. But I prefer my MbP TOS out with SN7 to Hugo, over my: Synergistic Research/Nordost Heimdall2/Cardas Clear USB to AP2 + PP to Hugo. It sounds more dynamic, clean, open, and lively - with less distortion. I don't know if it's this optical cable specifically. I don't know how it compares to the Sysconcept. But the SN7 is better than the other 3 I have (AQ Cinnamon, Monster, Chord stock). And it's built so extremely well. RFI / EMI from your CAPS wouldn't be any good without isolation of some sort for those USB ports. The optical cable itself took care of the isolation part and that's why it's doing even better than USB. Some of us here in Hong Kong purchased that optical USB cable Adnaco-SU1 and we're all getting great results thanks to the isolation of RFI / EMI. Clemmaster also shared similar experiences as follows http://www.head-fi.org/t/650256/jkenny-audio-ci-nas-dac-and-ci-nas-spdif/585 Link to comment
rattosecond Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Chord Hugo - Page 588 RFI / EMI from your CAPS wouldn't be any good without isolation of some sort for those USB ports. The optical cable itself took care of the isolation part and that's why it's doing even better than USB. Some of us here in Hong Kong purchased that optical USB cable Adnaco-SU1 and we're all getting great results thanks to the isolation of RFI / EMI. Clemmaster also shared similar experiences as follows JKenny Audio Ciúnas DAC and Ciúnas SPDIF - Page 40 WOW Thanks for the input. Are you talking about this? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CC8NNPC Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 You linked to another one called Adnaco-S3B as mentioned here http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/soul-music-tx-usbexp-audiophile-pcie-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-audio-card-vs-adnaco-s3b-%96-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-3-0-over-fiber-optic-expansion-system-14999/ Adnaco-SU1 should look like this and it must be connected to USB 3.0 output of your CAPS http://www.adnaco.com/doc/Adnaco-SU1-DS.pdf http://www.amazon.in/ADNACO-UT1-Adapter-Supply-ADNACO-UF1-Optical/dp/B00KPG9S70 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81k1-xO1GvL._SL1500_.jpg http://www.post76.com/x2/data/attachment/forum/201409/23/142417w25iig721xci54cr.jpg http://www.post76.com/x2/data/attachment/forum/201409/23/142409k1f15k3u1gbpnk1u.jpg http://www.post76.com/x2/data/attachment/forum/201409/23/142359qurotypnprooepoa.jpg They used to be available from Adnaco and now we'll have to order it from China directly http://www.everprotech.com/Network/4.aspx Corning optical USB (10-meter for $109) is similar to Adnaco-SU1 and you could check them out http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/corning-optical-universal-serial-bus-industry-standard-cables-connectors-and-communications-protocols-between-computers-and-electronic-devices-cable-experiences-23437/ Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Just taking a step back in everyone's recommendations... Do you use just the normal USB output off the motherboard; or have you got something like the SotM USB card? Its hard to admit but I like the using the Toslink more. The sound is more fuller, more organic and the digital artifacts seems to be gone. As people have commented: optical, while the spec's usually suggests a higher level of bitter; has the advantage of electrical isolation. Depending on the components within your computer this may be of greater or lesser value. While many people will say "USB good; TOSLink bad" that is really a big over simplification as so much varies with different computers and different DACs giving you almost infinite combinations you can compare. Eloise Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
rattosecond Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Just taking a step back in everyone's recommendations... Do you use just the normal USB output off the motherboard; or have you got something like the SotM USB card? As people have commented: optical, while the spec's usually suggests a higher level of bitter; has the advantage of electrical isolation. Depending on the components within your computer this may be of greater or lesser value. While many people will say "USB good; TOSLink bad" that is really a big over simplification as so much varies with different computers and different DACs giving you almost infinite combinations you can compare. Eloise Im using a Paul Pang USB v2 and iFI Gemini cable. Link to comment
mac_and_dac Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have been using USB for a long time on my Mytek and CAPS. Today got an itch to try the SPDIF of my Gigabyte motherboard. Boy was I surprised! Its hard to admit but I like the using the Toslink more. The sound is more fuller, more organic and the digital artifacts seems to be gone. Am I hearing it right? Probably. I use Toslink. I have an expensive USB cable sat around doing nothing these days. I have used my ears, not science, to judge. But I would qualify that this is what I hear in my system only. I can't comment on others. But I guess the galvanic isolation is an aspect. The criticism of the Toslink Tx/Rx being very jittery is perhaps a tad overblown, given that jitter correction/rejection is now built into some DAC's. I would expect also that there will be cases where USB sounds better than S/PDIF, simply because there are typically different circuit topologies employed within a DAC to manage each. Front End: Neet Airstream Digital Processing: Chord Hugo M-Scaler DAC: Chord Dave Amplification: Cyrus Mono x300 Signatures Speakers: Kudos Titan T88 Link to comment
mkrzych Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Probably. I use Toslink. I have an expensive USB cable sat around doing nothing these days. I have used my ears, not science, to judge. But I would qualify that this is what I hear in my system only. I can't comment on others. But I guess the galvanic isolation is an aspect. The criticism of the Toslink Tx/Rx being very jittery is perhaps a tad overblown, given that jitter correction/rejection is now built into some DAC's. I would expect also that there will be cases where USB sounds better than S/PDIF, simply because there are typically different circuit topologies employed within a DAC to manage each. Here are my comments for this, but for my specific DAC and setup again. I have also found, that Toslink sound much better than USB in that case: Caiman II USB vs. Spdif I would like to add also, that Toslink was invented specifically for audio in the past, where nobody thought about USB yet for this reason. -- Krzysztof Maj http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/ "Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata Link to comment
mkrzych Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Oh, and one thing to mention. Today’s S/PDIF hardware is most probably incomparably better then it was 20 years ago. Today’s Cirrus receivers’ performance for instance is 50ps or even better of intrinsic jitter and they lock on preamble, thus being relatively free from data induced jitter! There are other manufacturers claiming similar performance. -- Krzysztof Maj http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/ "Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata Link to comment
mac_and_dac Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I wonder how many hifi enthusiasts use Toslink as a data transfer medium between transport and DAC - I would guess 1 in 20, if that? Do people just write it off, because they were told 'stay away, it's jittery' by someone, or do most people genuinely prefer the sound using USB interface? I appreciate that this is going to differ from DAC to DAC, but I'd be interested to know how many people have actually made the comparison. Front End: Neet Airstream Digital Processing: Chord Hugo M-Scaler DAC: Chord Dave Amplification: Cyrus Mono x300 Signatures Speakers: Kudos Titan T88 Link to comment
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