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    Logitech Squeezebox Touch Review

    sbt-thumb.pngThe Logitech Squeezebox Touch outputs bit perfect digital audio at 16/44.1, 24/88.2 and 24/96 kHz. There I said it. I’ve been waiting to relay that fact to all Computer Audiophile readers for a couple weeks while finishing up this review. Support for high resolution audio via wireless streaming hasn’t come cheap over the last few years. The Logitech Transporter handled high resolution audio but started at $2000 and could easily double in price with some audiophile modifications. Bit transparency at 88.2 and 96 kHz via wireless for less than $300 is wonderful for audiophiles. If the Squeezebox Touch did nothing else correct it would still be worth the retail price. Fortunately there is much to like about the “Touch” including its sound quality.

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    <b>What Is The Touch?</b>

     

    The Logitech Squeezebox Touch is a small and simple network music streamer. It features a 4.3” touchscreen and highly functional remote control. The “Touch” connects to any 802.11 b/g wireless network or via wired Ethernet. Analog audio outputs include a standard 3.5mm headphone jack and single ended analog RCA connections. Digital audio is output via either optical Toslink S/PDIF or electrical coaxial S/PDIF. Those not interested in connecting the Touch to a network can attach a hard drive directly to the USB port on the rear of the unit. The USB port will become increasingly useful as more audio companies release music on USB devices. Currently Cardas offers its <a href="http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=music&content_id=9&pagestring=USB+Audio+Cards">USB Audio Cards</a> and I’ve seen a prototype from an audiophile record label with similar offerings in the works. Due to the cramped quarters behind the Squeezebox Touch a little USB extension/dongle will be required for these USB Audio Cards.

     

     

     

    <b>Touching The Touch</b>

     

    Constructed completely of plastic the Squeezebox Touch is certainly not a product from Apple. Its $299 price tag (and support for FLAC) is also a clear indication it’s not from Apple. The Squeezebox Touch is likely constructed with more plastic than all components in the typical audiophile’s equipment rack combined. This and the fact it’s from Logitech, not a traditional high end audio company, are hurdles audiophiles will just have to get over. The 4.3” plastic touchscreen is nice. It’s many times better than the <a href="http://www.mimomonitors.com/products/imo-pivot-touch">IMO Pivot Touch</a>, but nothing like the glass multi-touch screen on an iPod Touch. The Squeezebox Touch is pretty responsive and requires no calibration like many touch devices. Fat fingers and all I was able to navigate through the menus and control buttons easily without error. After many hours of use with both the touch screen and remote control there is no doubt the remote is the best way to navigate the Squeezebox Touch. Even as I write this the Touch is sitting on my desk next to my keyboard, yet I’m using the remote to control the unit. This isn’t a knock against the touch screen. It’s more of a compliment to the designers of the remote control. I was able to navigate the menus much quicker using the remote because of its shortcuts like the Home button and number keys that double as letter keys in the same way as a telephone touch pad. The remote control is not built from a solid block of aircraft aluminium like some audiophile components but it may be more feature rich and functional than some of those expensive bricks. Some users will be happy to learn the Squeezebox Touch can be controlled via third party automation systems like AMX and Crestron.

     

     

     

    <b>Configuring The Touch</b>

     

    There are a few different ways to get music to the Squeezebox Touch. The simplest may be using the built-in USB port, but that method has too many limitations making it less practical. For example adding new music from a CD would require removing the USB drive, ripping the CD to the USB drive, and reconnecting the USB drive to the Touch. I’m sure this method will work great for some readers and may be just the thing to get network-nervous audiophiles into the Squeezebox era.

    Another method of serving music to a Squeezebox Touch is through the Windows, Mac, or Linux version of Squeezebox Server currently at version 7.5.0. Using this method requires the server software to be installed on a computer. The software must run at all times for the Squeezebox Touch to access locally stored music. This configuration works best for users with a computer that contains all music on the local hard drive and can remain on 24/7. Sure this can also work with music stored on a NAS drive but there is a much better option when a NAS is in use.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/music-folder-location-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-folder-location"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/music-folder-location-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-folder-location-01"></a>The third method of serving music to a Squeezebox Touch entails running Squeezebox Server as a module on a NAS drive and pulling the music to the Touch directly from the NAS. This is the method I settled on for the review. I installed the <a href="http://naswebsite.com/wiki/Thecus_N5200_Module:_SQUEEZEBOXSERVER">Squeezebox Server module v. 7.5</a> on my Thecus N5200B Pro NAS. There is little configuration to be done via the web interface of the NAS module. The most important item is directing Squeezebox Server to the correct music folder on the NAS itself and scanning the music folder for music.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/advanced-tab-schedule-scan-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-schedule-scan"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/advanced-tab-schedule-scan-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-schedule-scan-01"></a>One minor gripe I have with this part of the Squeezebox Server software is the somewhat hidden and undocumented scheduled scan feature. Nobody wants to manually scan their library every time new music is added. For some reason Logitech has hidden this feature deep within the Advanced Tab. I overlooked this complete section during the first week of the review. Scheduled scans or auto scanning seems like one of the first features any company would enable and make very conspicuous. Scheduled scans are off by default and virtually impossible to find information about on the Logitech website or Google without the exact search terms. Users unfamiliar with the scheduled scan feature have likely been using the readily visible techniques.

     

    Logitech has made this at least workable for the uneducated by allowing one to clear the entire library and rescan everything or look for new and changed music only. This manual button is easily visible on the first page of the Server settings. Creating a MySqueezebox.com account is encouraged by Logitech and allows one to synchronize some device settings and browse the app gallery, but it’s really nothing to write home about. It’s free and is pretty painless so I recommend readers create this account during setup.

     

    Configuring the Squeezebox Touch device itself is fairly easy but not without some annoyances. The biggest time waster for me was attempting to connect the Touch to my 802.11n wireless network. I don’t like to read user manuals so I tried for about 20-30 minutes to get the Touch connected. Then I downloaded the manual and searched for 802.11. It was listed only once without specifying what type of 802.11 network is required. Reluctantly I tried the 802.11g band on my Airport Extreme Simultaneous Dual Band router. The Touch connected via 802.11g using WPA2 Personal encryption (not required) without a problem.

     

    Once connected to a network selecting the music library is as simply as browsing the touch panel and selecting the name of the library.

     

    The only other real annoyance I have is also related to wireless networking on the Touch. Whenever the power is lost to the unit it is necessary to reselect the correct wireless network. The Touch does remember the network name and password but for some reason is unable to automatically reconnect once power is regained. Simply browsing a few levels deep into the advanced menu allows the user to select the displayed wireless network name and all is well.

     

     

     

    <b>Using The Touch</b>

     

    During this review I used the Squeezebox Touch in two different audio systems. The main system consisted of the Touch pulling music wirelessly from my Thecus NAS and connecting via Kimber Select coaxial S/PDIF cable to the Weiss Engineering DAC202. Sound quality comparisons were conducted using this Touch based system versus a Windows 7 / J River Media Center 15 computer pulling music wired from my Thecus NAS and connecting via FireWire to the Weiss DAC202. The second system consisted of the Touch pulling music wirelessly from my Thecus NAS and connecting via Kimber Select coaxial S/PDIF cable to the Peachtree Audio Nova and a pair of Avalon NP 2.0 Evolution loudspeakers. The second system was placed outside my dedicated listening room in another area of the house.

     

    Browsing one’s music via the Squeezebox Touch is self explanatory with menus like Artists, Albums, and Genre. I’ve seen <a href="http://www.boulderamp.com/Products/1021%20Page.html">CD players</a> more difficult to operate. In addition to browsing through standard menus the Touch allows browsing through the folder structure of the music files. This is very handy if the music library has not been rescanned since the addition of new material. As I mentioned earlier, I really like the remote control and prefer it over the actual touchscreen. One reason for this preference is the ability to quickly select letters of the alphabet using the number keypad like a telephone. For example pressing the number seven four times on the remote quickly displays artists starting with the letter S. The way to do this via the touchscreen is to press and hold a little dot/scroll bar on the right of the screen and drag it downward. This method is a little difficult at first until the right “touch” is developed by the user.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/playback-window-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-playback"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/playback-window-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-playback-01"></a>Whether sitting in my listening chair or elsewhere in the house I also used the Squeezebox Touch web interface to control music playback. The multi-touch screen of an iPad works fairly well. I spent a few minutes trying to navigate a long list of artists without any success. Using two fingers to scroll was the simple solution. The 4.3” screen is on the borderline in terms of viewing it from the listening position. I usually sit between nine and twelve feet from my components. I was able to view the touchscreen enough to browse the menus via remote but I wouldn’t say I was easily and comfortably browsing the menus with my corrective lens aided vision. My familiarity with each menu certainly helped.

     

    The Squeezebox Touch has a fixed viewing angle reported to be around 35 degrees. This viewing angle works very well in a couple situations. When the Touch is positioned on a component rack and one is viewing the unit from the listening position the screen is angled appropriately. In addition the Touch viewing angle is great for desktop use when the unit is only a couple feet from the user. I found the Touch a little awkward when it was placed on top of my Avalon NP 2.0 Evolution loudspeaker at roughly 35” plus spikes on a wood floor. At 5’ 8” I’m not setting any height records but the Touch was still a bit low for the most comfortable use. Viewing the Touch at this height was OK, but angling one’s wrist unnaturally to navigate the menus was fatiguing. An adjustable screen angle could make this a non-issue for users set on using the touchscreen over the nice remote control.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/my-screen-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-screen"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/my-screen-small.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-screen-01"></a>The Touch has five different background screen selections to view during playback. The default screen displays album art, track title, artist, album, and current track position. I used this screen most of the time as it provides the information I wanted to see. The other screens are somewhat cute but get old after a few hours. Namely the Volume Unit (VU) meter screen that harks back to the analog source days. It’s not a bad feature but it’s also not a feature I’d base a purchasing decision around.

     

    The Touch feature that surprised me most was how much I liked listening to radio stations through the device. I figured the usual Internet based radio stations and services like Pandora would be available much like nearly all devices of this type. Most of the Internet stations don’t thrill me although Pandora is a wonderful service. I was surprised at the number of local FM and AM stations available with a simple tap of the screen. I didn’t have to setup a custom feed or jump through any hoops to hear something local. This information is likely not new to die hard Squeezbox users but is a major selling point for people ready to dip their toes into the digital streaming water. Like any user I prefer not to purchase a component until I am certain it’s capable of meeting my needs. Logitech has already addresses this issue by offering a great <a href="http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/radiotime/radiotime.html">Station Search tool</a> (<a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-1.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 1</a>, <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-2.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 2</a>, <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-3.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 3</a>). This allows potential buyers to search for radio stations they would like to hear through the Squeezebox instead of going through the hassle of purchasing the unit and returning it if it doesn’t meet the user’s needs.

     

     

     

    <b>Listening Through The Touch</b>

     

    Good sound from a plastic wireless music streamer for $299 may be a tough pill for some audiophiles to swallow. The Squeezebox Touch is far from a boutique product with a linear power supply and impeccable sonics. The device does have some weaknesses as most people would suspect. The typically noisy switching power supply is one weakness but it can be dealt with through proper isolation. There is no doubt the Touch stretches that $299 extremely far and will challenge some favored components for convenience and sonic superiority.

     

    The absolute best part of the Squeezebox Touch is its ability to pass bit transparent digital audio at high resolutions including 24 bit / 88.2 kHz and 24 bit / 96 kHz. Without this capability the device would’ve been nothing special. With this capability the device is now a serious contender. All the extra features and niceties are simply minutiae to the most serious audiophiles. Using the new Weiss Engineering DAC202’s built-in transparency test I was able to varify the following sample rates are completely bit transparent through the Logitech Squeezebox Touch.

     

    16 bit / 44.1 kHz, 16 bit / 48 kHz, 16 bit / 88.2 kHz, 16 bit / 96 kHz

    24 bit / 44.1 kHz, 24 bit / 48 kHz, 24 bit / 88.2 kHz, 24 bit / 96 kHz

     

    When sample rates above 24/96 are passed through the Touch they are halved by the unit. 176.4 kHz material is output at 88.2 kHz and 192 kHz material is output at 96 kHz. This conversion destroys all bit transparency. I prefer devices like the Touch that at least play the music even if it’s no longer perfect. Some devices will not play any material beyond the supported sample rates and that robs users of a musical experience.

     

    During the review I only used the Touch via wireless 802.11g. The real advantage of this device is its ability to stream via wireless. I figured if it could perform via wireless it could perform via wired Ethernet. I played hours of 24/88.2 and 24/96 material and only suffered one minor dropout during playback. This may have had nothing to do with the Touch but I can’t pinpoint the cause. Even playback of 24/176.4 and 24/192 wasn’t an issue in terms of wireless dropouts. Throughout the house the wireless network is setup very well with two Apple Airport Extremes, one running dual bands of 802.11g and 802.11n. My experience may not translate to all networks, but I can guarantee nearly perfect wireless performance is possible.

     

    My listening comparisons were all done using the coaxial S/PDIF output of the Touch into the coaxial S/PDIF input of the Weiss Engineering DAC202 and a Windows 7 PC running J River Media Center v 15 connecting to the DAC202 via FireWire. The Touch sounded really good with most music in my collection (Jazz, Rock, and Pop). Long term listening through the Touch wasn’t fatiguing but did reveal some sonically rounded edges and a tiny bit of dullness compared to the PC/FireWire system. I will not call the Touch a dull component overall. When compared to one of the best interfaces and software configurations available it appears just a tad dull. Without a direct comparison I’m willing to bet the Touch would fall right into place in most users’ listening environments and not raise any questions about dullness. The biggest weakness of the Touch was evident during complex dynamic classical pieces. One of my go-to tracks is Michael Daugherty’s Niagara Falls from Reference Recording’s Crown Imperial release performed by the Dallas Wind Symphony (<a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=030911111229">16/44.1 release</a> or <a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD030911111229">24/96 release</a> or <a href="http://www.referencerecordings.com/HRxORDER.asp">24/176.4 release</a>). Compared to the PC/FireWire system the Touch S/PDIF system was a little muddy and had a bit less separation of instruments, especially the drums, when the symphony really got going. Niagara Falls is a beautiful piece of music all the way through and offers some “highlights” throughout. At 1:40 and 3:15 into the track are some difficult passages to reproduce on some systems. The Touch didn’t best the PC/FireWire system but still offered good sound. At 5:18 there is a loud “WAP!” sound from an unknown (to me) instrument. Listening through the Touch there is a lack of texture to the sound when compared to the PC/FireWire system. This texture is even more evident on extremely resolving systems like the one I heard at Magico <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Magico-Merging-Technologies-and-Matan">back in December</a>. I was in awe when we played this track through the new <a href="http://magico.net/magicoq/index.php">Magico Q5</a> loudspeakers. Despite these weaknesses I really like the Logitech Squeezebox Touch. The overall sound is very good through its digital outputs. What’s there not to like about wireless bit transparency at 88.2 and 96 kHz for less than $300?

     

     

     

    <b>Touch Wrap-up</b>

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/ca/cash-logo-black.png" class="thickbox" rel="LinnDS-I"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/ca/cash-logo-black-thumb.jpg" style="padding: 5pt 5pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="CASH-List"></a>The Logitech Squeezebox Touch wireless music streamer is definitely not a classic high end audio component. Its plastic construction may even be frowned upon by some audiophiles. Those who aren’t overly stubborn and are willing to try the Touch will be rewarded by a very nice product. The Touch may not be the best everyday player in a high end system, but there are countless other great system configurations where the Touch will excel. As I complete this review I am listening through a pair of Ultimate Ears UE11 Pro earphones connected to the headphone jack in back of the Touch and accessing all my music wirelessly from my desktop without involving my computer. The $299 price tag of the Touch can’t be overestimated. For less than the sales tax on some audio cables the Squeezebox Touch offers wireless, high resolution, bit transparency, touchscreen, very functional remote, and very good sound quality. Although it’s far from perfect the low price, terrific features, and very good sound quality guarantee the Logitech Squeezebox Touch a spot on the Computer Audiophile Suggested Hardware List (<a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Suggested-Hardware-List">C.A.S.H.</a>).

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Product Information

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    <li>Price - $299</li>

    <li>Squeezebox Touch Product Page - <a href="http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/devices/5745">Link</a></li>

    <li>Squeezebox Touch Features Guide - <a href="http://files.computeraudiophile.com/2010/0525/sbt-fg.pdf">Link</a></li>

    <li>Supported Audio Formats - MP3, FLAC, WAV, AIFF, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, HE-AACv2, HD-AAC, Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, APE, MPC and WavPack.</li>

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    Check the squeezecenter configuration, it should look like this for the Apple Lossless:<br />

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    <img src="http://imgur.com/uEkm9.jpg"><br />

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    Ignore lines with "alac/InguzDSP", you probably do not have them (and don't need them anyway). <br />

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    Apples Lossless should be converted to FLAC using ALAC/FLAC handler.<br />

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    Maybe this is a dumb question, but here goes. In my main system, I use a Naim HDX. I'd like to be able to listen to the same music being played on my main system in another room, at the same time. Can I do that with the Touch? If not, any ideas how I might accomplish this?<br />

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    Thanks.

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    Hi there,<br />

    I used to have a Duet with a Welborne PSU and I have to tell you that the change in SQ was not subtle comparing it to the stock PSU. It seems that using a linear PSU for the Touch could change the SQ in the same manner. Can someone tell me if they already tried it?<br />

    BTW, I use the SBT as a digital transport feeding it via coax/spdif into my Camelot Uther DAC/Pre which is linked directly to my Gryphon amp.<br />

    I think that Chris should check the PSU alternative in order to see if it doesn't bridge the gap that was there compared to the computer-based tranport he compared it to. He might just be surprised. ;)<br />

    I know that quite a few people changed the coax plug for better ones and said that the differences were definitely worth-while. Can somebody give info on these possible tweaks on the SBT and their efficiency?<br />

    best regards<br />

    André

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    I have a Teddy Pardo PSU for the SB Touch and it gave me a huge improvement, even that I use the SB Touch only via its digital out. The noise floor dropped, had greater frequency extensions in the lows and in the highs and a more solid sound stage with better midrange definition.<br />

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    http://www.teddypardo.com/products/Powersupplies/TTouch.html<br />

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    Juergen

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    Hi Juergen,<br />

    I already had a look at Teddy's PSU for the Touch and exchanged a few e-mails with him. Unfortunately they are very, very expensive and I really do believe that they shouldn't be superior to the Welborne PSU. Your information on the improvement is very valuable. I had a similar experience using a linear PSU with the Duet. Thanks for the input.<br />

    best regards<br />

    André

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    Now, as you had good experience using the Welbourne and as it is available also for the Touch - why don't you buy it and share your experience with us? At least it seems indeed to have a more reasonable price than all other PSUs mentioned in the fred here.<br />

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    Cheerio, Father12

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    I'll probably buy a PSU that is at least on the same level of the Welborne (they been tested with the Duet) here from Brazil. Once I test it I'll give you some feedback.<br />

    best regards<br />

    André

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    Hi all,<br />

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    I had a quick look at Teddy pardo's website and saw a slight difference in term of price between SB3 and Touch devices.<br />

    Nevertheless, it seems quite hard to find any technical difference between both. It is also specified for Touch PSU that it can work with SB3...<br />

    Any idea ?<br />

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    Cheers,<br />

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    Joel

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    Joel,<br />

    Teddy recomends using the SB3 PSU when you're NOT using an external HDD. If you use one which uses current from the USB he recommends you buy the Touch PSU.<br />

    best regards<br />

    André

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    docmark ...<br />

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    Your Naim HDX can provide music to another room, but not via a Squeezebox - you have two options...<br />

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    First, you could add a NaimNet NNP01 (or similar) which will utilise the NaimNet system. Using this (and a suitable controller) you can play either the same (synchronised) music as in your main system, or you could listen to different music.<br />

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    Alternatively, with the latest firmware, the Naim HDX can act as a UPnP AV server providing a stream to a NaimUniti / UnitiQute (or other compliant systems). Using UPnP AV you can listen to the same music in the second room, but the music would not be synchronised.<br />

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    Finally, you could use the HDX but store your music on a external NAS, this NAS could also stream music to a Squeezebox (with suitable software on the NAS).<br />

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    If you want to discuss these options further - maybe worth starting a new thread.<br />

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    Eloise

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    Thanks very much André.<br />

    Have you any feedback about the touch PSU and external HDD ?<br />

    I am quite suspicious on the fact a dedicated PSU could solve the USB troubles of the Squeezebox touch... just marketing ?

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    Hi Joel,<br />

    actually the difference between the PSU for the SB3 and the Touch is the amperage: the first is 1A and the latter 3A. That's why Teddy says that when you don't use an external HDD which draws current through USB his PSU for the SB3 (which is cheaper) should work just fine. In case you use the aforementioned external HDD you should buy his newer PSU he made especially for the Touch.<br />

    OTOH, I don't think that this would solve the inherent problems that the Touch has with USB, but I don't use it that way anyway. I've heard, though, that one can output audio through usb on the Touch with a few mods. If there's any truth to that it would open quite a few possibilities.<br />

    best regards<br />

    André

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    Thanks very much André.<br />

    I do not have interest to plug any HDD directly on the SB Touch.<br />

    So I shall probably point on the basic one, even if 3 amperes should bring a small overall improvement to the sound...<br />

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    Does anyone know how to make this happen?<br />

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    I've read a number of references to the tweaks which apparently exist to make this happen, but don't know where to find those tweaks.<br />

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    Thanks to anyone who can send me or post this information.<br />

    <br />

    Joel

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    Chris-<br />

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    "the way to do this via the touchscreen is to press and hold a little dot/scroll bar on the right of the screen and drag it downward. "<br />

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    But you can just flick your fingers up and down anywhere on the screen and it will rapidly scroll away. No dot or scroll bar needed. <br />

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    A very small amount of practice and you get you anywhere you want in your list of artists/albums very rapidly. Faster than the remote, for me.

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    Has anyone done any listening comparisons using the Wadia/iPod connection into a DAC versus one of the USB/SPDIF Bridges like the Stello and the Halide and versus this SqueezeBox. The solution for me is sound first, then ease of setup and use; but, sound gets the weighting.<br />

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    Thanks

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't using the digital output on any device bypass the DAC of that device?<br />

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    In other words, if you use the digital output from the SB Touch, you are no longer hearing the DAC of the SB Touch, but rather, you are hearing the DAC of the unit it is connected to. Is this correct?<br />

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    If this is correct, wouldn't the SB Touch sound exactly the same as any other device if using the digital output? What would then distinguish the sound from device to device?

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    Jay27-<br />

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    If I understand your question correctly, basically you're right.<br />

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    But there are various elements that can affect the signal that gets to the digital output of the Touch, and in theory this could effect differently the signal to, and sound coming from, DACs. <br />

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    Additionally, if you are in the camp that accepts that DACs sound different or that some can "work" better with some aspects of the digital signal they receive than others,then this could also have an impact on the sound you source from the digital out.<br />

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    Anyway, that's why there are people who slave the Touch to an external clock and/or buffer; or who mod the digital output section to improve the quality of the output; or who do software mods designed to reduce the number of processes running on the Touch and reduce potential interference with the digital signal.<br />

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    Whether or not these improve the sound is open to debate. I think they can, but I'm not trying to debate the issue, just point it out.

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    <cite>Has anyone done any listening comparisons using the Wadia/iPod connection into a DAC versus one of the USB/SPDIF Bridges like the Stello and the Halide and versus this SqueezeBox. The solution for me is sound first, then ease of setup and use; but, sound gets the weighting.<br />

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    Thanks<cite><br />

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    Not the Wadia, but I did compare several USB/ Spdif bridges to the SB Touch as a source and all beat the SQ of the Touch going digital out into my dac. This was with a stock dac. I will try again with software tweaks to the Touch and see how that does.

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    Ok you guys are are audiophiles but I did a (brief) comparison of analogue out from the Touch (Flac) and a $2500 CD-player playing same music into the same amp and loudspeakers. Can´t say I heaard much of a difference. Maybe, but just maybe, the Cd-player sounded a bit more "open" or clearer.<br />

    But that´s me and my ears. Still I think the analogue out from a Touch is more than decent.<br />

    This shouldn´t stop anyone from trying different ways to get their best out of the Touch

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    In my previous post I meant the "stock" Touch not dac.<br />

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    Agreed, the analog out is pretty nice. It nudged out two $300 dacs in my office system. For now I feel no reason to add a dac to the mix.<br />

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    Have not tried analog out in the main system and probably won't.

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    can I use the SB touch as a remote wi-fi controller to play music stored on my Pc and connected via the PC to my stereo ? (no wired connection between the SB and stereo or pc)<br />

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    Harold

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    Just updating:<br />

    have tested the Touch with a friend's PSU from Welborne Labs and it makes not so subtle difference. In my case music lost some 'digitalis', had better bass, better silence and, probably because of that, became more organic. Great cost/benefit investment.<br />

    Best regards<br />

    André

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