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    Halide Design Bridge Review

    bridge-thumb.pngIn 2008 Devilsound Labs released its Digital Audio Cable. The idiot-proof USB to RCA DAC in-a-cable reviewed here on Computer Audiophile. Since the DAC’s release Devilsound Labs has changed its name to Halide Design and released The Bridge its new asynchronous USB to S/PDIF converter. The Bridge isn’t just another USB to S/PDIF device. Halide Design licensed Streamlength™ asynchronous USB code from Wavelength Audio to take this converter to another level. Not content to rely on Streamlength’s™ reputation as one of the best USB implementations available, Halide completed The Bridge with an innovative design in a very small package.

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    Devilsound <s>Horns</s> Roots

     

    dsl.pngOver the last couple years I've talked to Jonathan and Aaron of Halide Design via email numerous times. Half of our conversations were about Halide Design products while the other half were about computer audio and the high end industry. After every conversation I always said to myself, "These guys are really cool, really smart, and have great potential in high end audio." There's a lot to like about the unjaded enthusiasm and ideals of Jonathan and Aaron. Never once have they talked about high margins and snake oil. It's really refreshing to hear their ideas about new high quality products at relatively reasonable prices. These guys are not in the business to separate people form their money. Jonathan and Aaron really have a passion for creating great sounding and innovative audio products.

     

    Jonathan and Aaron share many beliefs with the readers of Computer Audiophile. "Computer audio is here to stay, and at this point, can supply sound quality that matches or rivals the best audio devices out there. Computers can store all your music (lossless of course) and have moved from a novelty, to a convenience, to a central component of high resolution computer playback." Said Jonathan and Aaron.

     

    When Jonathan and Aaron first dipped their toes into designing commercial high end audio components, the company name Devilsound Labs seemed perfectly fine. At least it signified something different from the more traditional audio companies. According to Jonathan, "We wanted to make something for the "new generation" of audiophiles. Simple, small, easy to use, and relatively inexpensive. Thus was born the Devilsound DAC, our first product. The idea there was to take ideas that had been floating around in the audiophile world, such as non-oversampling on the D/A converter and high-quality interconnects, and add our own touches."

     

    The signature touches of Devilsound Labs products are good components, circuit design and layout, and compact size without sacrifice. In almost every audiophile endeavor shorter is better at keeping the audio path cleaner. During the design phase no opportunity is missed to make these paths shorter in the interest of better measurements and increased sonic accuracy.

     

    After the successful Devilsound DAC and a bit more experience under their belts Jonathan and Aaron decided to advance the company further with a new name and new product. They settled on Halide Design as the label to launch new products. It does sound much more professional and robust compared to the possibly juvenile Devilsound Labs.

     

     

     

    The Bridge

     

    Continuing with their signature design touches Jonathan and Aaron set out to make The Bridge USB to S/PDIF converter. They saw no need for the traditional S/PDIF output cable. Instead they aimed to clean the signal path by using what they call an "Active Interconnect" where the device is really a signal unit. "The advantage of eliminating unnecessary components is that it leads to reducing other unnecessary components. So for instance, since we don't need any sample rate converter or other bulky devices to clean up jitter, this saves board space, and makes it possible to build the device small enough to eliminate the cable as well." Said Jonathan.

     

    Short clean signal paths are not the only innovative design elements in The Bridge. Without a separate power supply The Bridge receives power via a USB port. Five volt power emanating from the less than satisfactory switching power supply of a computer is the last thing an audiophile wants feeding his components. To the layman it may appear there is no room in The Bridge's small CNC milled anodized aluminum frame to address this dirty power issue. Audiophiles are used to enormous linear power supplies, exotic power cords, and numerous power related products. I'm certainly guilty of running a separate power sub-panel to my listening room with dedicated circuits for the components. All of this seems so far from what is possible in the tiny Bridge USB to S/PDIF converter / Active Interconnect.

     

     

     

    "In order to supply clean power to the on-board circuitry, the Bridge uses a combination of power supply filtering and an newly released power down regulator. Power coming into the device is first PI filtered (CLC), which gives a two-pole attenuation for noise above roughly 3 kHz. This works to eliminate high frequency noise, which down-regulators are typically not as good at rejecting. This filtered signal, which is slightly less to 5 V (due to resistive elements in the passive filter), is down regulated to 3.3 V for the digital electronics, and an separate 3 V line for the clocks. Note that down-regulators tend to be excellent at rejecting noise at DC and lower frequencies, the rejection ratio falls off at higher frequencies. The combination of an initial LC filter and a regulator with high PSRR (70 dB at 10 Hz, a reduction factor of over 3,000), ultralow noise regulator insure that the clocks and the digital circuitry can operate as accurately as possible."

     

    "In order to isolate the output from the (potentially noisy) computer ground, and to avoid the possibility of ground loop noise, SPDIF commonly employs an output transformer. We use a small, high-quality output transformer, which allows excellent isolation and signal integrity in a small package." - Halide Design

     

     

     

    Removing unneeded internal circuitry and improving The Bridge's use of dirty computer power were two critical first steps. Getting to the next level of performance required the use of an asynchronous USB implementation. Not to be confused with Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion (ASRC). Jonathan and Aaron were not satisfied with the existing adaptive USB or off the shelf implementations found in most USB audio devices. These guys look at everything from an engineering viewpoint as well as an audiophile sound quality viewpoint. Using either perspective it's easy to see or hear the advantages of an asynchronous design. (See <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Asynchronicity-USB-Audio-Primer">Asynchronicity USB Primer</a> here on CA for additional information). Halide Design didn't settle for just any asynchronous design as The Bridge needed to be completely plug n' play without additional device drivers to achieve the "Active Interconnect" concept.

     

    Jonathan and Aaron contacted Gordon Rankin of Wavelength Audio who developed Streamlength™ asynchronous USB code and licenses it to a limited number of high end audio manufacturers. Based on my conversations with Gordon it's evident he likes Jonathan and Aaron and thinks these guys have great potential as well. It should be noted that Gordon doesn't license his code to just anyone. Fortunately Halide Design was able to acquire the Streamlength™ license from Gordon and implement this asynchronous USB code in The Bridge.

     

    bnc.pngThe Bridge ships with a captive six foot USB cable that is capable of being extended with a standard USB extender or a much better optical USB extension and isolation device. The six foot cable length is a bit short for my system as I house my music servers outside my listening room. I typically use three meter USB cables that passthrough a port in the wall from my music servers to my audio components. Without a USB extender readily available during this review period I moved my <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Pocket-Server-CAPS">C.A.P.S.</a> silent music server next to my Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC. This eliminated the need for a longer USB cable but was a little inconvenient. The Bridge truly is plug n' play without the need to install any software of drivers. It supports bit transparent digital audio output at 44.1, 48, 88.2, and 96 kHz. The Bridge is available with Eichmann RCA or standard 75 ohm BNC terminations. During the review I used the BNC version connected directly to the BNC input of my Alpha DAC. Both versions are cryogenically treated and have a fully isolated output using a high quality digital audio transformer.

     

     

     

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    <b>The Bridge To Sonic Bliss?</b>

     

    Simply put, I was surprised by the high performance of The Bridge. I had an inkling The Bridge would be good based on its designers and the Streamlength™ USB code, but I didn't expect it would be this good. Playing all types of music The Bridge offered wonderful separation of the instruments and a clarity from top to bottom that was close to my Lynx AES16 PCI card. During the review I purchased Reference Recording's Crown Imperial by the Dallas Wind Symphony from HDtracks at <a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD030911111229">24 bit / 96 kHz</a>. I own the HRx version at <a href="http://www.referencerecordings.com/HRxORDER.asp">24 bit / 176.4 kHz</a> but The Bridge does not support sample rates above 96 kHz. Track eight on this album, Michael Daugherty's Niagara Falls, has become one of my favorites as a civilian and as a reviewer. Listening to Niagara Falls through The Bridge seemed to open another complete octave at the top end compared to other USB to S/PDIF devices I have used. The resolution and extension was so good I contacted a couple colleagues in the industry to discuss why I wasn't getting this level of performance from other converters. Specifically the M2Tech hiFace. My comparison between the hiFace and The Bridge was not a scientifically thorough longitudinal study conducted under controlled conditions. I have many hours of listening left before writing the complete hiFace review. It's entirely possible I'll be able to squeeze improved performance out of the hiFace in the coming days and weeks. As of now The Bridge is definitely my go-to USB to S/PDIF converter even if it is limited to 24/96 and below.

     

    Another clear sign of The Bridge's great performance can be seen through my listening habits during the review period. When I first placed The Bridge in my system I had the urge to listen to tons of music just to hear what it sounded like through The Bridge. I listened to a minute or two of what felt like hundreds of tracks. After twenty-four hours of this kid-like listening style I fell into complete album mode. I listened to whole albums one after the other. In the case of Shelby Lynne's new album Tears, Lies, and Alibis I listened to the same album three times in a row all the way through. This type of listening does not happen with every component and especially new components I'm not accustomed to hearing in my system. Sure the extremely low jitter specs of The Bridge play a role in its performance, but it's much easier for me to judge performance when my listening habits are altered by a component. I have other audio components here that can't hold my attention more than one or two minutes. The music through these components is simply inaccurate and unappealing causing my brain to tune out.

     

    During my last listening session with The Bridge I played the Anthony Wilson Trio's <a href="http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/61116/Anthony_Wilson_Trio-Jack_of_Hearts-Hybrid_Multichannel_SACD">Jack of Hearts</a>. This is a terrific album musically and sonically. I often play this album to hear how accurately components can reproduce drums and cymbals. On many mainstream recordings drums sound like someone is striking a piece of paper with a stick. This can make sonic quality judgments nearly impossible. Not so with Jack of Hearts. As far as I could tell The Bridge reproduced this recording with great accuracy. The drums sounded very good with space around them, appropriate reverb trials, and sharp transients. I'd have to ask Audioquest's Joe Harley for a 100% accuracy check as he was involved in the production of this fine album. Again, The Bridge performed great and was a pleasure to have in my system.

     

    Throughout the review I used J River Media Center v14 and v15 with WASAPI output. I was able to achieve bit transparent output without jumping through any hoops. I used the <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Pocket-Server-CAPS">C.A.P.S.</a> server running 32-bit Windows 7 Ultimate edition.

     

     

     

    <b>C.A.S.H. Worthy</b>

     

    cash-logo-black-thumb.jpgThe Halide Design Bridge asynchronous USB to S/PDIF converter has earned a well deserved spot on the Computer Audiophile Suggested Hardware List (<a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Suggested-Hardware-List">C.A.S.H. List</a>). This simple, small, single cable solution incorporates innovative design and the current holy grail of USB implementations asynchronous transfer mode, not to be confused with Asynchronous Sample Rate Conversion or ASRC. There are some fabulous DACs around without USB or FireWire input that will benefit greatly from the Halide Design Bridge. The Bridge enables audiophiles to use these existing DACs with almost any computer audio system available today. At $450 The Bridge is a relatively inexpensive component with great potential to bring any audio system into the future of high end audio reproduction. I highly recommend The Bridge from Halide Design to colleagues and Computer Audiophile readers around the globe.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Product Information

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    <li>Price - $450</li>

    <li>The Bridge Product Page - <a href="http://www.halidedesign.com/bridge/">Link</a></li>

    <li>Product Design Details - <a href="http://www.halidedesign.com/bridge/design/">Link</a></li>

    <li>Halide Design Store - <a href="http://www.halidedesign.com/store/">Link</a></li>

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    Associate Equipment:

     

    <a href="http://files.computeraudiophile.com/2010/0418/Brochure_Fidelio.pdf">Verity Audio Fidelio loudspeakers</a>, <a href="http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/mcintosh-mc275-vacuum-tube-power-amplifier.asp">McIntosh MC275 amplification</a>, <a href="http://www.richardgrayspowercompany.com/products.aspx?type=accessories">Richard Gray's Power Company High Tension Wires</a>, <a href="http://www.berkeleyaudiodesign.com/">Berkeley Audio Design Alpha DAC</a>, <a href="http://www.usbdacs.com/Products/Products.html">Wavelength Audio Proton</a>, <a href="http://www.ayre.com/products_detail.cfm?productid=12">Ayre AX-7e Integrated Amp</a>, <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Pocket-Server-CAPS">C.A.P.S. server</a>, <a href="http://www.belcantodesign.com/Product_USBlink.html">Bel Canto USB Link</a>, <a href="http://www.halidedesign.com/bridge/">Halide Design Bridge</a>, <a href="http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/product/debussy-dac"><i>d</i>CS Debussy DAC</a>, <a href="http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/product/puccini-u-clock"><i>d</i>CS Puccini U-Clock</a>, <a href="http://www.kimber.com/products/interconnects/digital/usb/bbus/cu/">Kimber USB Cu</a>, <a href="http://www.kimber.com/products/interconnects/digital/usb/bbus/ag/">Kimber USB Ag</a>, <a href="http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/system1/digital-analog-converter/dac1-pre">Benchmark DAC1 PRE</a>, <a href="http://www.kimber.com/products/interconnects/analog/select/singleended/ks1011/">Kimber Select KS1011 Analog Cables</a>, <a href="http://www.kimber.com/products/interconnects/digital/select/ks2020/">Kimber Select KS2020 Digital Cable</a>, <a href="http://www.kimber.com/products/loudspeakercables/monocle/x/">Kimber Monocle X Loudspeaker Cable</a>, <a href="http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=SPZfqXDJvadmFPoh&templete=2">ASUS Xonar HDAV 1.3 Slim</a>, <a href="http://www.apple.com/ipad/">Apple iPad</a>, <a href="http://www.amarraaudio.com/">Sonic Studio's Amarra</a>, <a href="http://www.m2tech.biz/products.html">M2Tech hiFace</a>, <a href="http://www.weiss-highend.ch/dac202/index.html">Weiss Engineering DAC202</a>, <a href="http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=13">Lynx Studio AES16 Digital I/O Card</a>.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




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    Now not that I have any experience in cryoed components, nor do I truly believe cryo processing in audio hardware having a definitely positive effect. But from the dodson website, they explained abit about this topic. Their DAC is fully treated in that way.<br />

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    Experiments in super-conduction at very cold temperatures (-300 deg. F), which changes a wire's normal resistance into zero resistance and transforms the molecular characteristics of the wire into a super-conductor were achieved years ago. Today it has been found that cryogenically treated audio cables, exhibit improved sonic characteristics. Why does this cryogenic treatment make them sound so much better?<br />

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    The manufacturing process of copper wire and copper sheets causes molecular changes in the copper. When hot copper is pulled through a small hole to form a wire or rolled into thin sheets to make PC boards the stress of being heated and reshaped inadvertently causes crystal lattices and boundaries to be formed, at about 1,000 crystals per foot. Unfortunately, the boundaries formed by this crystal lattice structure impede the natural flow of electrons, causing excessive brightness and a lack of focus in the musical soundstage.<br />

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    When dissimilar metals are joined, crystal boundaries are also formed, similar to those from at copper wire and copper sheet manufacturing. Soldering a resistor lead to a PC board causes stress and more crystals are formed. There are thousands of solder connections and copper crystal boundaries formed in the signal carrying copper layers in each standard assembled PC board.<br />

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    The DA-218 processor is cryogenically treated! Cryogenically treating the DA-218 at -300 deg. F., using a special computer controlled process, markedly reduces the crystals that had formed in the copper when the PC board was made or when all the electronic parts were soldered to the PC board

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    Halide owners: does it look like it would be easy to Mod the Halide Bridge to accept an aftermarket USB cable? I am wondering about putting a USB jack in it to replace the hard wired cable.<br />

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    Why would anyone want to do that. I would think the cable they provide is adequate. Didn't they audition cable when they designed the thing?

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    <i>"Mod the Halide Bridge to accept an aftermarket USB cable?"<i><br />

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    <i>"Why would anyone want to do that? I would think the cable they provide is adequate. Didn't they audition cable when they designed the thing?"<i><br />

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    This was my thought, exactly. I'm listening to mine right now. Interesting. If I had upgraded and replaced my speakers, let alone a USB/spdif converter, I would have been thrilled with the results I'm hearing. In fact, it sounds more like a speaker upgrade.<br />

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    This Bridge surprises me every time I listen to it.<br />

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    "Why would anyone want to...?"<br />

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    To get the best possible performance out of it of course. I accept that the OE cable is "adequate", but that does not mean that its performance cannot be improved upon. It has been widely reported here that some USB cables are better than others, even with ASYNC USB interfaces.<br />

    A cable that isolates the ground and DC voltage conductors from the signal conductors may provide a performance improvement over the OE cable.

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    MichiGoon, what DAC you had before upgrade? It'd be good to see a baseline comparison.

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    My setup is PS Audio Power Plant Premier > Mac Mini 2.53GHz/4GB > Amarra Mini 2.0 > Halide Bridge> Cambridge Audio 840C > Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II > Arcam AVR350 > Acoustic Zen Shotgun Double Barrel > Vandersteen 2Ce speakers. (combination of LessLoss and VH Audio power cables w/dedicated circuits)<br />

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    Hi barrows - You're exactly right and you aren't the first person to ask abut changing USB cables. A couple months ago a Stereophile writer and I were discussing this via email with the guys from Halide. They are now aware that audiophiles will want the ability to change cables. If they can do anything about it is something I don't know right now.<br />

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    "To get the best possible performance out of it of course. I accept that the OE cable is "adequate", but that does not mean that its performance cannot be improved upon."<br />

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    Well hack the end off of yours first.<br />

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    I'm not sure but I wonder if USB cables with Async DACs/converters don't sound either great or terrible. I mean is there different levels of good and bad? It just seems crazy if you now need to try 25 different $1,000 USB cables to see which one sounds better to your ear. More audiophile anxiety. <br />

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    Didn't I read somewhere that firewire isn't this fussy?

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    <i>"It just seems crazy if you now need to try 25 different $1,000 USB cables to see which one sounds better to your ear. More audiophile anxiety."</i><br />

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    I don't see it this way at all. There is no <u>need</u> to try 25 cables and no audiophile anxiety. Many audiophiles love music and want to reproduce this music as faithfully as possible. Seeking the best is a good thing and drives manufacturers to create better products for us to increase our enjoyment of this music.

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    So MichiGoon, <br />

    For the DAC portion, if you compare a CD in Cambridge Audio 840C, vs the same song ripped FLAC into Halide Bridge. That's a big upgrade?? Or is it another DAC that you used before? Just trying to see a comparison.

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    Bryan,<br />

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    If you're asking if I prefer the sound of the Mac Mini / Halide Bridge over the 840C spinning the same track(s), the answer is yes. Is it a huge upgrade? Well, yes and no.<br />

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    The 840C is a pretty competent player, but the difference I hear with the MacMini/Bridge combo sounds (simply put) closer to "live". Instruments and vocals have a nuance that makes listening more engaging. I've heard a fair share of live music, and the Mac/Bridge takes me closer to that place. I've never listened to my system and felt as though I could hear or sense the actual space, or venue, the artist was playing in... Until switching to the Bridge. It's delightful. My library is all ripped to Aiff files with FLAC backup. I followed Chris's ripping strategy to the letter. (Thanks again, Chris!)<br />

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    Again, I also upgraded to Amarra Mini 2.0 about the same time I added the Halide Bridge, and it’s likely that the Amarra software deserves some of the credit.<br />

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    Recent posts on this thread allude to the audiophile’s compunction to switch USB cables, etc., in pursuit of something better. How true. I've done more than my share of cable swapping (lots of them still in my closet), but right now... I’m happy to just listen. I’ve no desire to change a thing.<br />

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    Why won't my wife believe me? <br />

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    So I have had the Bridge for about a month now. Listened probably 2 hours average daily, probably more, I just hate to admit it.<br />

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    The Bridge is replacing the Musiland 02US in my system, and before that the AMB Gamma 2(diy converter/dac), and before that the EMU0404usb.<br />

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    My system consists of a Lenovo thinkpad T500 laptop, Halide Bridge, Genesis Digital Lens(in and out of the chain), EAD DSP 7000mkIII, Kevin Gilmore Dynamite(Balanced version of the Dynahi and also DIY built by myself), Grado SR225 recabled by me in Mogami, and my own personally modded and balanced Denon 2000s. I have briefly used Event TR-8 direct field active monitors with my amp, but not really enough to get a feel for the sound. Due to circumstances I use headphones most of the time. My player is Foobar 2000 v1.0.<br />

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    My main music used for listening is by Fourplay. Album is also Fourplay, and my fav track for evaluation is also titled Fourplay, but I really dig every song on this album. I'm a Bob James fan yes.<br />

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    My impressions pretty much mimic Michigoon's own. I chuckled a little when I read his first post. I was also pretty disappointed at first. My most familiar tracks were suddenly all foreign to me, and sounded very strange. Immediately noticable was the improved bass definition and presence. It took all of 2 weeks for my ears and brain to fully acclimate to the new signature. I sort of assumed that someone like Chris would not find a device like this to impart a foreign sound in his setup because he is accustomed to listening to a better system where everything is in place and in time correctly. So I listened every day, and slowly things came into place as I adjusted to the new sound. I put the Musiland 02 back into the chain yesterday(it's been about a month since I last listened to it) and was pretty floored at the difference. The Bridge does everything better. Soundstaging, both width and depth. Very even across the board, and subterranean bass definition, grunt and growl to make me grin like a possum. Not too much or too little of anything in any area, as compared to my previous converters. I still own and listened to them all except the Gamma 2(sold) for this listening comparison.<br />

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    Also notable is how much I have turned the volume down while using the Bridge. I'm not sure the dac is putting out any more volume but my listening levels are almost half of what they were before, and at increased detail and clarity.<br />

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    I also listened to a modded Valab (one of the lastest Valabs with output caps replaced with Vcap+Sonicap per Steve Nugent's suggestion) that I've owned for some time now. While it lacks the last bit of top and bottom extension it is indeed a good listen as used with the Bridge.<br />

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    The Bridge is, for me, definitely a keeper. It has taken my level of listening enjoyment to a very comfortable and satisfactory place where I am immersed in all of the detail and realism that I thought would never happen without a much bigger pocketbook.<br />

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    I would like to echo Chris' comment about the guys at Halide/Devilsound. I have corresponded quite a bit by email and even by phone, and "good guys" is an understatement for me. Hope to meet them at an event soon. Thanks a ton Jonathan.

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    I currently have a Bridge breaking in along with some other gear so I am reserving my comments on sound until I give it a good long listen (which I'm looking forward to) but I will say like others have posted above is that the communication and attitude of Halide/devilsound is excellent.<br />

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    Every time I contacted them with some question I would get a response in a timely manner that is well written and fully detailed. I have to say it's been refreshing and a huge plus.<br />

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    Cheers

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    To quote Chris from the initial review,<br />

    <i>"After every conversation I always said to myself, "These guys are really cool, really smart, and have great potential in high end audio." There's a lot to like about the unjaded enthusiasm and ideals of Jonathan and Aaron. Never once have they talked about high margins and snake oil. It's really refreshing to hear their ideas about new high quality products at relatively reasonable prices. These guys are not in the business to separate people form their money. Jonathan and Aaron really have a passion for creating great sounding and innovative audio products."</i><br />

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    I thought the same after a long telephone conversation with Jonathan.

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    Ummm- paying a thousand dollars for even one USB cable is a little over the top in my book. But if it makes it sound that much better to you, go for it.<br />

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    Is there a particular reason why the one that comes with isn't good enough? Or is it just "it could sound a little better?" <br />

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    I'm surprised someone has not hacked up InifiBand connections for audio yet. :) <br />

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    -Paul<br />

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    Ummm- paying a thousand dollars for even one USB cable is a little over the top in my book. <br />

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    It would be ridiculous.<br />

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    Is there a particular reason why the one that comes with isn't good enough? <i/><br />

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    Because it would be taking away an opportunity for someone to sell us an overpriced replacement?<br />

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    <br />

    true enough... if a high dollar cable does improve upon things for your outfit and you can afford to add it, then by all means do so.<br />

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    “Cables do matter… digital and analog.ones too.”<br />

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    I think however many audio enthusiasts, hobbyist and even card carrying audio nuts, at some point feel the need for appropriateness. Prudence or put more plainly, seeking out some of the ones which do not have uber amounts of ‘can’taffordium’ in their make ups as of late seems the usual tact these days.<br />

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    I’ve tried cheap (< $250) and expensive (> $1,000) cables, power cords, ICs, and digital links. There are diffs for sure. Although amongst these many self noted diffs, there aren’t always those which serve up ‘betterment’, across the board.<br />

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    …. And you simply can not try ‘em all. By the time you do, someone has made a new iteration of one you’ve previously heard. Chasing my tail is not what I call fun with regard to cabling. Trying this & that, then some others.... forever? <br />

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    Despite this logic having cabling choices adds another level of attraction, intrigue, or disparity to the mix, depending upon the buyers’ own cabling philosophy (s).<br />

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    But a G note for a USB cable? Even $500? <br />

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    It would have to be for me a more than convindcing addition, it would have to be orgasmic. Given what I’ve heard from those in the under $100 class, I’m not too sure I’d even be willing to audition any above it. Even with a full refund satisfaction guaranteed policy being available right up front.<br />

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    Gee I hesitate to do that even when such policies are in force.<br />

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    Again, for whatever reasons, I do always prefer a device which is unfettered by a non migratory cable for a couple reasons. With an attached cord, one truly does not have the most clear perspective of the device’s abilities, in fact. Secondly, the attached cord provides another spot for overinflation of the product itself.<br />

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    Offering a product in an ‘either - or’ configuration at point of sale seems to me to be a better option. Both for the vendor and buyer, as the vendor/manufacturer often has some extensive exp in deciding on what wire to outfit their product with, naturally, and could point that out as just one more reason they chose to take some of the possible ‘guess work’ out of the mix. The buyer too then has greater flexibility or options thereafter. The purist or more hard liner then can have some degree of savings and the promise of other gains using his/her own wire preference, opting out of the non migratory build constraints.<br />

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    Providing even a 3rd buying option such as a solidly connecting affair, cable + device that are user configured, which enables a buyer to accept the voice of the product as it was designed, cable + device as is, but also affords the buyer an added benefit of some further experimentation, as they could then seek out their own replacement cable, if and or when it is desired or needed.<br />

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    Just from what has been posted to this thread, preffs and system contents, as well as the room acoustic, often if not always, say which new gizmo wins.<br />

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    Without the embedded USB cord, the halide Bridge is on footing with oh so many other USB CONVERTERS…. Or not. But it is definitely outside the mainstream, thus deflecting a variety of direct comparisons by it’s very nature as it is presently bilt.<br />

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    Consequently we try those things which appeal to our own scenarios, budgets, and preffs, or we do not. One size in audio SELDOM fits all. Nor does the latest and so called greatest actually turn out to be such.<br />

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    Well, different strokes for different folks I suppose. I wonder how the high dollar cable makes account for cable degradation over time? <br />

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    All those electrons bashing each other for months and months just can't be good for a cable! <br />

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    P.S. That was a joke for anyone who might have taken it seriously! Cables do degrade, but whether or not that makes an audible, or even measurable, difference - I do not know. <br />

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    most cables improve with time, as the electron movement "helps" the cable. I am not sure where this $1000.00 USB cable notion came from... I started the idea of using a different cable with the Halide Bridge, but I was considering cables like the excellent Wireworld Starlight, at around $150.00. Not sure I would ever consider $1K USB cables for any use... The Starlight is obviously superior sounding to generic USB cables.

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    OK, this will come as non-news to most of you seasoned audiophiles, but as happy as I've been with the Bridge I've felt that its soundstage was less expansive or defined than I'd experienced with the hiFace it replaced.<br />

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    Well... I decided to move my speakers around a bit to experience any possible improvements. Bingo! Sound fills the room! Great definition and placement. Speakers have disappeared! <br />

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    I have Vandersteen 2Ce sigs, and I know that they are very sensitive to placement in the room, but I was not aware that optimal speaker placement would change with modifications made to your front end. Pretty cool.<br />

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    Still learning, and loving it. VERY happy with the Bridge!<br />

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    Looks cool, more than i would be willing to spend for what it does, but probably a good product. There are details on the implementation which could make or break it's jitter performance, but what is known of it seems good.<br />

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    An interesting product for those of us seeking to connect an existing DAC to a computer. What does it mean, though, to say that the unit uses "asychronous USB"? I thought that the term implied that the DAC controlled the input rate from the USB / computer. It doesn't seem that this is the case for this unit so why is the term "asychronous USB" used? And why is it any better than, say, adaptive USB or reclockers in this type of application?<br />

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    I understand your confusion, perhaps I can explain:<br />

    Halide Designs Bridge is an Async USB to SPDIF converter: There are two fixed frequency clocks in the Bridge, and the Bridge uses Gordon Rankin's "Streamlength" Aync USB code. The Bridge controls the rate at which USB data is sent from the computer (referenced to one of the its own clocks) and then creates a serial data stream, with a fixed frequency (very low jitter) clock. The serial data stream is then converted to SPDIF, for acceptance to a traditional SPDIF DAC. I have not seen measurements yet, but considering what has been published about other devices using the Streamlength Code, I suspect one can expect jitter levels in the two digits of pS range for the SPDIF output of the Bridge. This can be compared to the bel canto USB-SPDIF converter (adaptive), which has jitter on its output in the nS range (a nS is 1000 pS).<br />

    So, the Bridge is a great product for those who have an SPDIF DAC that they love, and who do not want to purchase a new DAC with a built in Async computer interface (Firewire, Ethernet, USB).<br />

    It is true, that how the partnering DAC handles its SPDIF input will increase the jitter level (in the SPDIF receiver and PLL clock recovery circuit) some, but feeding the SPDIF input with an extremely low jitter signal will reduce the jitter at the DAC chip, where it matters most.

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    Thanks for your great review. I recently replaced optical out from my iMac to a PSAudio DL III (Cullen mod IV) with the Halide Bridge. Noticed improvements right off, in the way of clarity and resolution.<br />

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    The next jump up was when I read here in the forum how to get the HOG mode of Pure Music to work. Really put the space into the music. This is my office system with iMac > DLIII > Ray Samuals Apache > HD800 headphones. Phenomenal sound.<br />

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    No drivers, no fuss, solid product, very inconspicuous. Does not do 196 though, and I suppose if I ever get much music in that resolution, I might look to upgrade it.<br />

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    Awaiting a Wyred4Sound Dac2 at home, and I will be experimenting with 196 there, with my speaker rig.

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