Popular Post Ajax Posted February 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2020 Hi All, I have been reading more and contributing less lately as I get the impression that irrespective of the validity of one's argument it largely falls on deaf ears. We are all set in our ways, on both sides of the fence, and trying to convince someone who has held strong beliefs for a long time IMO is folly, especially if that person is over 40. I call this conditioning and we all suffer from it. Whether it be due to our home environment and our parents beliefs or what is ingrained into us during our teen years by our peers or schools when we are most impressionable. I've been a long time member of this forum and a huge fan of Chris's valiant efforts to walk the tightrope between freedom of speech and civility, however, I'm in total disagreement with the creation of the Objectives sub forum. Segregation is never healthy - in South Africa it was called Apartheid .... although obviously too strong an analogy for an audio forum. I think both @Archimago and @tmtomh have articulated the position of the objective member extremely well. I am an engineer (civil) and would just like to add for the benefit of the subjectives here that we are trained to ask "why" and to substantiate the facts. My introduction to engineering at university was via applied maths where it was instilled in me to prove everything from first principles, to ensure that I really understood what was going on and how the forces of nature work. (Compare that to a school kid today given a computer (and calculator) at an early age and then asking him at school leaving age to write something freehand or do a complicated division). The point I am trying to make is that it is inherent in our education and training to assume nothing and to always ask for "proof". If I designed a bridge or an office building and it subsequently fell down, and people were killed, I would not be able to rely on my "intuition" or my experience. I would need to show my calculations and be able to "prove" that I acted in accordance with the particular design code. Engineers are charged with the responsibility of taking the science and implementing it, and it is therefore extremely hard for us to sit back and ignore comments that fly in the face of facts and commonsense. No doubt they could have been more accomodating but I get why Bill (@wgscott) and @mans resorted to ridicule and sarcasm. They simply couldn't get their message through. They are a great loss to this forum and I will miss them both. jomo48, pkane2001, esldude and 3 others 1 2 2 1 LOUNGE: Mac Mini - Audirvana - Devialet 200 - ATOHM GT1 Speakers OFFICE : Mac Mini - Audirvana - Benchmark DAC1HDR - ADAM A7 Active Monitors TRAVEL : MacBook Air - Dragonfly V1.2 DAC - Sennheiser HD 650 BEACH : iPhone 6 - HRT iStreamer DAC - Akimate Micro + powered speakers Link to comment
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