Teresa Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Question to those defending hate, do you really believe hate speech should be protected under the first amendment? In the article linked Spotify defined hateful as “content that expressly and principally promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence against a group or individual based on characteristics, including, race, religion, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, veteran status, or disability.” Personally, I believe that hate speech and hate groups exist to deprive the freedom and even life of the groups that they hate, IMHO this is criminal behavior and I firmly believe it should be banned. IMHO freedom from is just as important as freedom to. I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Teresa Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, diecaster said: Of course hate speech is protected by the 1st Amendment. Here is what is not: https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/which-types-of-speech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/ Isn't hate speech defamation, libelous and slanderous against entire groups of people? I believe it is and as such your link says that is not protected by the First Amendment. In addition much hate speech and hate groups advocate violent actions and other crimes against entire groups of people. Solicitations to commit crimes is also listed as not protected by the First Amendment. IMHO hate speech and hate groups are criminals and should be treated as such! I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Teresa Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Priaptor said: WRONG. No matter how distasteful what you “believe” doesn’t make it so. So you actually believe that hate speech, such as advocating violence, rape and murder is protected by the First Amendment? Those who spew hate speech are advocating others commit crimes and that makes them accomplices to said crimes. ac·com·plice a person who helps another commit a crime. First Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The First Amendment does not protect advocating criminal activity which is what much of Rap and Hip-Hop music does. To respond to your comment, advocating criminal activity is illegal with current laws on the books, it is in no way free speech. The fact that said laws are not being enforced is wrong, just as wrong as your comment IMHO. I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Teresa Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 On 5/14/2018 at 5:37 AM, Priaptor said: Bill Maher: "Palin is dumb c-nt" Bill Maher : "Sarah Palin is a dumb Twat" Bill Maher to Milo: "impish British fag." Not only did he NOT violate the 1st Amendment, which according to your sophomoric cut and paste "factoid" claims he did BUT you guys think this is entertainment. I find such language offensive no matter who speaks it. Sarah Palin may not be very intelligent, however that is not an excuse to slander her. Unfortunately intelligence is not something required in politics. I can't speak for others but I don't find Bill Maher's comments entertaining but offensive. On 5/14/2018 at 5:48 AM, Priaptor said: "So you actually believe"?? NO, I know, it has nothing to do with "believing" it is understand the facts. ...Advocating murder is a common among pro-choice people, no? Your argument, no matter how simple, holds no legitimacy. Nothing would make me happier than to see Madonna, Maher, Behar, Kathy Griffin, BLM, Antifa, skinheads, etc jailed BUT what they are doing is not a violation of the 1st Amendment. Let me say, I don't support "hate speech" but even more I really don't support those who think it is in their purview to be the arbiter of what "hate speech" is. This is where we are with the left today. Actually, I'm old enough to have seen protections of the First Amendment expand way beyond its original intentions. Future court rulings can invalidate current ones. It is really a bizarre stretch of the imagination to believe that hate speech is free speech. It is not and never will be IMHO. Pro-choice people don't believe that embryos are human beings. so in their eyes they are not advocating murder. OTOH Pro-life people believe that embryos are human beings, so we have a controversy. Personally, I'm in neither camp, but I would never have an abortion. On Planet Earth we have a crisis of overpopulation and I feel that every heterosexual couple on Planet Earth should have only one child, at least until the world's population decreases to 1 billion. After that one child, both the male and female should be sterilized. And we should be encouraging the homosexual lifestyle since gay people cannot reproduce. I'm glad you don't support hate speech. Still there is no way in hell that advocating that women only exist for men's pleasure and that white women should be raped and then killed is not a crime. These despicable people are hiding behind wrongheaded interpretations of the First Amendment. On 5/14/2018 at 6:16 AM, rando said: @Teresa Thank you for your valiant attempts to unearth substance... You're welcome. On 5/14/2018 at 3:44 AM, mansr said: ...You won't find any porn on Netflix because they have chosen not to provide that type of content, not because porn is or should be illegal. This Spotify decision is no different. I was against the legalization of porn in the 1970s, at least kiddy-porn and bestiality are still illegal. IMHO all porn should be illegal not just the really gross stuff. rando 1 I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
Teresa Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 20 hours ago, Priaptor said: "Sarah Palin may not be very intelligent, however that is not an excuse to slander her". Well Teresa you just did slander her. From your comments it seems like Palin is much more intelligent than you. Did you notice I said "may"? I did not and would not slander anyone including Sarah Palin, it is not in my nature. Bill Maher uses what he believes to be her lack of intelligence as an excuse to slander her, and that is wrong. Nowhere did I claim to be intelligent, in fact, with my memory problems I accept the fact that most people are more intelligent than I. 20 hours ago, Priaptor said: Read the 1st and 14th Amendments I have, perhaps you should read them again? 20 hours ago, Priaptor said: "I feel that every heterosexual couple on Planet Earth should have only one child, at least until the world's population decreases to 1 billion. After that one child, both the male and female should be sterilized. And we should be encouraging the homosexual lifestyle since gay people cannot reproduce" I have to say of all the absolute absurd, hateful and depraved propaganda I have heard from Progressives, this may be up there with the most bizarre and deranged I have ever read. I recommend you get some help. What is absurd, hateful and depraved about trying to save the human race? If something isn't done about overpopulation mankind may be extinct within 100 years. What is wrong with allowing each couple to have a single child until the world's population is brought back under control? The biggest problem is getting all nations to work together to cure this problem. If feel this may not happen until most of the world is starving, and sadly then it may be too late. The only other answer I know of is inventing FTL (faster than light) travel and discovering a half dozen unoccupied habitable planets in other solar systems. I don't believe this will happen in the necessary time frame either. If you have a better answer to curb overpopulation I'm all ears. BTW some believe that to solve overpopulation we should sterilize the poor and only allow the rich to reproduce, I'm against this idea. 20 hours ago, Priaptor said: Reading your post is like a trip through Bizarro World. As I said above if you have better workable solutions I'm all ears. 20 hours ago, Priaptor said: Keep America Great! Trump Wins 2020 Are you serious? Did you know Trump supports torture? See this link at factcheck.org Trump, Feb. 17: Torture works. OK, folks? You know, I have these guys—”Torture doesn’t work!”—believe me, it works. And waterboarding is your minor form. Some people say it’s not actually torture. Let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: What do you think of waterboarding? Absolutely fine. But we should go much stronger than waterboarding. See also Trump signs order to keep Guantanamo open So far Trump has been on the wrong side of ever issue I've checked. Explain how he will make America Great and keep it that way. He has been doing just the opposite IMHO. look&listen 1 I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums. I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past. I still love music. Teresa Link to comment
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