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I do though see great benefits in self driving cars and drunk drivers.  Right now the fully autonomous Tesla will, if you get in it and don't tell it to go anyplace but activate it somehow, will go ahead and drive you home.  That is a good side effect of the car that will impact DUIs and crashes, I hope.

 

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23 hours ago, gmgraves said:

You can't help it on snow or gravel because, like cars of yore, with their narrow cross-ply tires, cars driving on snow and gravel have no grip! The reason why modern racing and rally cars don't drift on tarmac or concrete is because today's tires and suspensions provide a very high degree of grip. Modern cars just "drive" around corners at high speed. If you know to pick a high-grip line on a paved road it's fairly easy - even with the modern family car. 

 

Oh, modern cars slip, even modern race cars.  In fact a tire gets its maximum traction right at the point where it is sliding ever so slightly. Watch race cars go around corners in slow motion and you will see the sliding, especially something other than F1.  Sports car racing is a very good place to see it.

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Go ahead and ignore the bumps in the final turn at Sebring, those don't count when it gets the car airborne.  But you can see the cars slip and slide around corners here, just as a matter of getting around the corner, not crashing or doing anything crazy.

 

 

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On 3/28/2018 at 5:23 PM, gmgraves said:

You can't help it on snow or gravel because, like cars of yore, with their narrow cross-ply tires, cars driving on snow and gravel have no grip! The reason why modern racing and rally cars don't drift on tarmac or concrete is because today's tires and suspensions provide a very high degree of grip. Modern cars just "drive" around corners at high speed. If you know to pick a high-grip line on a paved road it's fairly easy - even with the modern family car. 

 

 

Oh?

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42 minutes ago, rando said:

To be fair aerodynamics, ie downforce, are accounted for in modern tire designs.  If it wasn't for that balance of downforce and inertia the car would barrel roll.

 

In the days of yore you full on slid or kept going straight.  Much as you do in mud or snow/ice.

 

Show me a normal road car that makes appreciable downforce at legal road speeds...

 

Also, show me the car that will do a barrel roll...

 

 

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