manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Well done, you've come up with... wait for it... 2 albums. 1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said: The main motive is that the official 24 bit downloads are superior in every way to the MQA versions... From where did you obtain your MQA version of Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion? It doesn't appear to be on Tidal. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said: I was not going to spoon feed the lynch mob, but I decided to showcase two albums used in my comparisons. The main motive is that the official 24 bit downloads are superior in every way to the MQA versions, plus they are both two superb recent releases Mavis Staples: If All I Was Was Black-24 bit, 96 kHz download from HDTracks: http://www.hdtracks.com/if-all-i-was-was-black Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion-24 bit, 44.1 kHz download from Qoubz https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/la-confusion-amadou-mariam/5060525431685 Those of you with Tidal accounts, take out your credit cards, and feel free to do your comparisons Also... For the Mavis Staples album, HDTracks shows a total length of 0:34:38, whereas Tidal shows a total of 0:34:33. It may be a simple mistake on one of their parts... but then again, it may not be. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, crenca said: Not so strange. With Tidal (and streaming in general), albums come and go (and sometime come back again) all the time... edit: I found the album, 16/44 - no MQA however, but again not surpising... It wasn't streamed from TIdal. He said he purchased it, so has it as a download. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Brinkman Ship said: yes, I can't find it either. Strange. I actually bought the download last month, the only MQA download I have purchased. So you bought the MQA download did you? Shouldn't be difficult to find where you purchased it from. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, Brinkman Ship said: yes, from e-onkyo. But it is no longer there. There are 2 other A & D titles. Doing a Google on 'MQA Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion' comes up with... nada. It should be trivial for you to prove you have an MQA version of it. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said: FYI: The following catalogs are available on Tidal as MQA and as 24 bit masters. These were all used for comparison. Iron Maiden Stone Temple Pilots Calexico Mavis Staples Here are new MQA releases, of which virtually all are available as 24 bit downloads from HDTracks, Superhirez, 7Digital, Qobuz etc- https://www.onkyomusic.com/US/new-releases Haha... nice deflect... NOT. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brinkman Ship said: yes, from e-onkyo. But it is no longer there. There are 2 other A & D titles. Not listed on Tidal Masters MQA Album List by LUMIN Music either: Oh dear. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Brinkman Ship said: The main motive is that the official 24 bit downloads are superior in every way to the MQA versions... I just want to get this straight. The 24 bit download of Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion is better than the MQA download that you purchased... that doesn't actually exist. Pathetic. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, crenca said: I thought he said it was up in the past on the onkyo site but has since been removed... 11 minutes ago, manisandher said: Doing a Google on 'MQA Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion' comes up with... nada. I'll assume it has never existed and that @Brinkman Ship is lying that he purchased the MQA download... until proof is shown otherwise. Oh, by the way, I purchased the whole Beatles catalogue in MQA 24/356. But it's been taken down now. This guy's a farce. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, crenca said: I say the burden of proof is on you. I have seen albums come and go on all the download sites, as have others noted even on this little thread. You appear to be throwing out the baby (of this listening test) with the bath water... Huh? He's claiming an MQA version of Amadou & Mariam: La Confusion existed and that he purchased the download. There's not mention of such an MQA ever existing. And yet the burden of proof is on me? Yeah, there's a teapot orbiting the sun too. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, botrytis said: WOW - disagree with him, but respect his opinion. No thanks. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, botrytis said: Well, that is how civility is done. If you don't respect a person's opinion, why should they respect yours? It is a 2-way street. I absolutely respect (and would defend even) anyone's right to hold whatever dumb opinion they wished to. But respect the opinion itself? No way. I'm not one for pluralistic relativism. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Why am I reacting the way I am? Well it probably started here (the 'you' being directed at me) : On 2/9/2018 at 4:16 PM, Brinkman Ship said: "Get away with this"? Don't make me laugh. You and any other posters will be ignored if you ask again... snip... I did my homework, no spoon feeding to forum police or trolls. [Highlight mine] And you want me to go easy on him and respect his opinions? Really? Would you? Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 hours ago, mansr said: This one definitively exists. I know because I have a copy. You listen to Morrissey? Invitation revoked. Mani. Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Spacehound said: ... it's impossible to prove non-existence. Quite. Any how, it's pretty irrelevant now... seems this (Brinkman) ship has already sailed... or gone down like the Titanic as @Em2016suggested. A perfect display of 'brinkmanship'. Why do I have the concept of 'double agent' in my mind all of a sudden? Mani. Spacehound 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
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