SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!

[emiliocb]

Hi,

I will buy a new oppo player (or maybe other brand) for rip my SACDs.

Therefore, I did one list, with all the player that can rip DSD, but some information, like Firmware is missing.


Please, could someone complete this information or other that is missing in this list?


Thanks in advance.

This list has brand, model and firmware.

 

1. Oppo 103: firmware BDP10X-77-0827 (Hong Kong) / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10X-83-0715
2. OPPO 105: beta firmware BDP10X-83-0715B / beta firmware BDP10X-83-1226B / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10XEU-38-1220 (factory firmware) / BDP10X-83-0715 
3. Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu; firmware 752BD-21-1031
4. Pioneer bdp-lx58/88
5. Pioneer BDP-160: firmware 101 / 102
6. Pioneer 170: firmware V01.02
7. Pioneer BDP-80FD: Firmware version 1.01
8. Sony BDP-S4100
9. Sony BDP-S5100: firmware M15.R.0197
10. Sony BDP-S590: firmware M12.R.0430 / M12.R.0510
11. Sony BDP-S490: firmware M12.R.0510
12. Sony BDP-S390: firmware M11.R.0422
13. Azur 752BD
14. Arcam CDS27: firmware 0.83
15. Arcam UDP411
16. Cambridge Audio CXU: firmware CXU-07-1031  (download from https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/207128045-CXU-Firmware-Information)

[emiliocb]

Thank you very much, chichaz, Wax, greynolds and Phthalocyanine.

This is the new list with all information that you gave me:

 

1. Oppo 103 / 103D: firmware BDP10X-77-0827 (Hong Kong) / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10X-83-0715. ALL FIRMWARE WORKS (STILL WITH THE LATEST FIRMWARE VERSION)
2. OPPO 105 / 105D: beta firmware BDP10X-83-0715B / beta firmware BDP10X-83-1226B / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10XEU-38-1220 (factory firmware) / BDP10X-83-0715. ALL FIRMWARE WORKS (STILL WITH THE LATEST FIRMWARE VERSION).
3. Cambridge Audio Azur 752bd; firmware 752BD-21-1031
4. Cambridge Audio CXU: firmware CXU-07-1031 (download from https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/207128045-CXU-Firmware-Information
5. Pioneer BDP -lx58/88
6. Pioneer BDP-160: firmware 101/102
7. Pioneer 170: firmware V01.02
8. Pioneer BDP-80FD: Firmware version 1.01
9. Sony BDP-S4100: firmware M15.R.0197. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
10. Sony BDP-S5100: firmware M15.R.0197. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
11. Sony BDP-S590: firmware M12.R.0430 / M12.R.0510. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
12. Sony BDP-S490: firmware M12.R.0510. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
13. Sony BDP-S390: firmware M11.R.0422. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
14. Arcam CDS27: firmware 0.83
15. Arcam UDP411

 

 

[emiliocb]

3 hours ago, chichaz said:

That's a good list for starters. However you've got a duplicate in Cambridge Audio units. #3 and #13 are the same. The full model name is Cambridge Audio Azur 752BD. The "CXU" is a completely different unit and is a duplicate of #16. It would help to group them by manufacturer. 

 

? Yes, the idea is to do one complete list for me and the other starters

[emiliocb]

The quality rip of all the players is the same? or is there some difference?

[emiliocb]

23 minutes ago, Dick Darlington said:

 

Any player that can rip will result in the same ones and zeroes. 

 

 

?? Therefore, the cheapest is the best

[emiliocb]

1. Oppo 103 / 103D: firmware BDP10X-77-0827 (Hong Kong) / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10X-83-0715. ALL FIRMWARE WORKS (STILL WITH THE LATEST FIRMWARE VERSION)
2. OPPO 105 / 105D: beta firmware BDP10X-83-0715B / beta firmware BDP10X-83-1226B / BDP10X-80-1031 / BDP10XEU-38-1220 (factory firmware) / BDP10X-83-0715. ALL FIRMWARE WORKS (STILL WITH THE LATEST FIRMWARE VERSION).
3. Cambridge Audio Azur 752bd; firmware 752BD-21-1031
4. Cambridge Audio CXU: firmware CXU-07-1031 (download from https://techsupport.cambridgeaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/207128045-CXU-Firmware-Information
5. Pioneer BDP -lx58/88
6. Pioneer BDP-160: firmware 101/102
7. Pioneer 170: firmware V01.02
8. Pioneer BDP-80FD: Firmware version 1.01
9. Sony BDP-S4100: firmware M15.R.0197. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
10. Sony BDP-S5100: firmware M15.R.0197. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
11. Sony BDP-S590: firmware M12.R.0430 / M12.R.0510. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
12. Sony BDP-S490: firmware M12.R.0510. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
13. Sony BDP-S390: firmware M11.R.0422. All the most recent firmwares for all the models seem to work
14. Arcam CDS27: firmware 0.83
15. Arcam UDP411 

 

NOTE: Getting the Sony models to work is slightly more complicated but nothing that a focused user cannot deal with -- as indicated by all the recent successful Sony rippers here.

[emiliocb]

29 minutes ago, Phthalocyanine said:

On that basis, you cannot beat the Sony models!

 

It must be noted that getting the Sony models to work is slightly more complicated but nothing that a focused user cannot deal with -- as indicated by all the recent successful Sony rippers here.

 

ok, I put this information in the list.

 

Thanks you very much again. ?

[emiliocb]

7 minutes ago, diecaster said:

Okay, there is a reason AccurateRip exists in the CD world. Just because a player can rip does not mean you are assured to get an accurate rip. Without something like an AccurateRip database to compare against, it's pretty clear that a higher quality mechanism will result in better chance to get a bit perfect rip.

 

Then, there are differences between the players …

In your opinion which one or which ones of this list would be the best for rip?

 

Thanks in advance

[emiliocb]

2 minutes ago, mansr said:

SACD has more in common with DVD than CD, including the structured filesystem. The main difference is the low-level copy-protection preventing the disc being read by an unauthorised drive. The difficulties affecting CD rips do not apply to SACD. It is of course still possible to suffer an undetected read error, but chance of this is much lower than for CD. 

 

And that small possibility of error in the SACD, is even less with one player better than another, or is it a random issue that does not depend on the player?

[emiliocb]

24 minutes ago, wanthalf said:

SACDs like BluRays and DVDs use standard filesystems (in this case ISO) with normal files and lots of checksums and mechanisms for error-correction. The files must always be bit-perfect like any other computer files (noone wants to have their text documents or accounting files to change letters and numbers randomly and collecting typos, right?). You just copy the contents like any other computer data files and the filesystem uses auto-correction and it is either OK and readable or seriously broken and unreadable. Just like on any other computer disk.

 

The classical CD audio is different. There are also some checksums for basic auto-correction in the data streams, but not that many. CDs were expected to be read with mistakes, since uninterrupted playback was the priority and the drives did not have so much speed reserve to re-read everything several times at the beginning, they read the CDs often just in real-time speed. So, you need to be very careful to ensure everything has been read correctly and use a really reliable software to rip and verify the contents properly, such as "cdparanoia" in unix-world or "Exact AudioCopy" or similar under Windows. 

 

Thanks you very much for your information ?

Then, back to .... the cheapest is the best 

[emiliocb]

3 minutes ago, mindset said:

The foundation of SACD is DVD which uses much more reliable error detection and correction than those of CD, so chances of getting non-bit perfect rip is "practically" zero "if" ripping succeeds.  In other words, if a disc has uncorrectable defects, that will be much more likely be detected than CDs (without relying on external check sum sources).  Therefore, unless players are altering the read data, there should not be any difference between players.

 

Some people have mentioned file system in SACD, but the way the album is separated into track is similar to that of Audio CD.  The entire audio of an album is linearly recorded (which is essential for smooth read operation), and the TOC at the beginning of the disc contains pointers (offsets) to tracks. 

 

 

Thanks you very much mindset ?

[emiliocb]

4 hours ago, mansr said:

The disc contains a filesystem that is carefully laid out such that the audio data is in one continuous block, same with DVDs. The data on audio CDs is less structured, which is why otherwise identical rips done on different drives can, for instance, have track breaks shifted by some constant amount. 

 

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[emiliocb]

On ‎8‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 9:30 AM, Kal Rubinson said:

I am converting the DSF to PCM as I play it so that I can use room correction/EQ.   I keep it in DSF which is the native format so that I can play (or convert) that as I choose now and in the future.  If I did store the PCM, it would probably be in as FLAC.

 

with Marantz AV 8805 you can play DSD and use room correction/EQ at the same time

[emiliocb]

12 minutes ago, srrndhound said:

Whose decimator do you like better -- Marantz or Roon? 

I do not have the Marantz yet, I'll buy it in a couple of weeks. The room correction of Marantz AV 8805, is by Audyssey (MultEQ XT32) and as I said, can be connected while listening to audio DSD natively.

[emiliocb]

srrndhound could you tell me what version of the sacd-extract is this? I ask, because, now, the last one is V0.039

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gnpma48ceil80w5/AACzL4md_mFP7-gmbpsx1kFSa/AutoScript?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1

 

Thanks in advance

[emiliocb]

1 hour ago, Kal Rubinson said:

No, you cannot.  All prepros/AVRs that support DSD, like the 8805, must convert them to PM in order to do room correction/EQ.  Many will convert the DSD to PCM even without DSP.

 

 

According to the manual of Marantz Av 8805 on page 113 and 115, you can listen to native audio DSD and apply Audyssey correction room. The AV 8805, gives the possibility to listen in: stereo PCM audio, native DSD stereo audio (both with Audyssey correction), in addition, to be able to listen to DSD Direct and DSD pure Direct (these two without possibility of Audyssey correction.

[emiliocb]

1 hour ago, Kal Rubinson said:

I generally downsample DSD to 24/176.4PCM for output to the Marantz but , since I do DiracLive EQ in the server, the Marantz pushes it through as that.

According to the Marantz manual on page 303, if it is connected via HDMI you can listen to native audio DSD: 2-channel - 5.1 channel, 2.8 MHZ BUT if listening with a NAS 2 channel UP to 5.6 MHZ (page 308), everything wthout conversión 

[emiliocb]

Hi, is it possible to rip the sony BDP-S6700?

 

Thanks in advance !!