HQPlayer's Network Audio Adapter

[asdf1000]

5 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Kind of, but WHY!?

 

Sound quality is pretty good with using an iPad endpoint with Roon - and best of all it's all untethered...

 

I would love to have NAA on iOS too! I'm sure the Android users would be happy too.

[asdf1000]

8 minutes ago, westside said:

Hi guys,

 

I already write  in hqplayer player topic but maybe its the wrong place so i write here.

Im sorry if its a mistake.

 

So here my question :

I start my setup with hqplayer and NAA.

hqplayer run on windows server 2012 r2 with AO and Fidelizer.

Im looking for a great device in order to use it for NAA.

What could you advice to me ?

Thank you by advance.

 

 

What DAC and what DSD rates does it support?

 

And budget?

[asdf1000]

8 minutes ago, westside said:

 

Thank you very much for your answer !

My current DAC is the PsAudio Nuwave ( no dsd support only Max 24/192 ) .

Budget around 700 €.

The device for NAA is as important as my server with AO and Fidelizer for sound quality ?

Once again thank you.

 

Allo USBridge should be quite nice:

 

https://www.allo.com/sparky/usbridge.html

 

It runs DietPi OS and you can enable NAA.

 

If you get this, make sure you get their USB3.0-to-gigabit adapter.

 

It can sometimes help to have a low noise USB audio source (depending on the entire system) and this is quite nice and well within your budget.

 

If you really need to spend more, you can look at a Sonore microRendu or ultraRendu also.

 

[asdf1000]

15 minutes ago, westside said:

Ok thank you.

 

One more thing, do you think a DAC Ifi Nano idsd (recommanded on hqplayer website) can be better that my Nuwave (no dsd) just because i can handle dsd 256 ?

 

That's a nice DAC. The iFi iDSD Black Label (it's biggest brother) is also really nice...

 

[asdf1000]

Hi Jussi @Miska

 

Having issues using NAA 352 for MacOS:

 

 

I get the same disconnection error with both an iFi iDSD and a Pro-Ject S2 DAC.

 

The same Mac running Windows NAA (via bootcamp) with the same network connections and same HQP Embedded (your bootable OS) has no issues -  everything works.

 

My Mac has no issues playing YouTube to either DACs. And even Roon can play to these DACs, so not a driver issue.

 

I'm just trying PCM output mode in all case, so not even a DoP vs Native issue.

I'm really wanting to use my Mac as NAA while I use the Mac obviously, not turn it into a bootable NAA.

 

Is there something wrong with the Mac NAA ?

 

I've seen someone else with Mac NAA post the same "initialization failure: clString::ToUInt(): not an integer" error before

 

Cheers

[asdf1000]

And I've seen these posts:

 

• Make sure you don’t have the same audio device configured in both HQPlayer and Roon (as zone)
• Make sure the audio device is not macOS default audio output
• Select the specific audio device in HQPlayer preferences (not the default one)
• Remember to turn up the volume in HQPlayer (you can also adjust from Roon side)
• Check that firewall is not filtering out the necessary multicast packets.
• It is also useful to check that there are no other audio applications running that would keep the audio device reserved…

Checked all of the above.

 

The same Mac running Windows NAA via Bootcamp and all the same network connections has no issues.

 

[asdf1000]

2 hours ago, Miska said:

Have you checked if there's anything strange in the corresponding exchange at HQPlayer log side?

 

I can’t. Clicking the log link at the bottom of HQPe web GUI takes me to the config page... how can I manually get the logs via command line? 

[asdf1000]

Hi @Miska

 

Did you see the email from Allo about support with USBridge NAA issues?

 

Cheers

 

[asdf1000]

12 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

Yes, but I'm really busy on other things right now. They should test and inspect it on their side. They can ask me if they have something in mind concerning networkaudiod binary.

 

 

Ok no problem. Can you reply to them with something like that, to get them in some sort of right direction.

[asdf1000]

Hi Jussi, it seems that the NAA 'next track' issue on USBridge is fixed after going in a big circle. I was asked to change a file via SSH in May but after now being asked to change back to the original, the NAA and 'next track' issue is fixed.

 

I see NAA on USBridge is loading CPU at ~30% with DSD512. Is that normal or higher than normal?

 

 

[asdf1000]

4 hours ago, jabbr said:

No, but apparently Jussi @Miska and I both have had similar issues with the iFi Micro locking up ... that's what prompted my over eager loading of 5.3 ..

 

I had the same issue with iDSD BL... I have no such issues with the new xDSD... 

 

So it might be a firmware thing or actually hardware thing (new XMOS USB interface)...

[asdf1000]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:02 PM, Miska said:

This is hardware I use for NAA at the moment:

https://up-shop.org/home/81-up-gws01w4g-memory32g-emmc-boardwo-vesa-plate.html

 

Hi Jussi

 

I know the power input is rated at 3Amps, but that's probably to cover USB drives hanging off it.

 

With only your NAA image loaded and a USB DAC that is self powered (i.e. DAC that is not 5V bus powered), can you test if this UP-GWS01 will be powered by a USB3.0 port (900mA)?

 

[asdf1000]

Hi @Miska

 

I am running NAA on the Allo USBridge via DietPi.

 

Do you have an NAA image for Sparky, so I can by-pass DietPi completely and just use your bootable image with the USBridge?

 

 

[asdf1000]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:02 PM, Miska said:

This is hardware I use for NAA at the moment:

https://up-shop.org/home/81-up-gws01w4g-memory32g-emmc-boardwo-vesa-plate.html

 

Hi Jussi @Miska

 

Do you run your NAA USB bootable image on that or are you running Windows for NAA?

 

Also, what advantage/s does this have over the Logic Supply CL100 for NAA?

 

Cheers!

 

[asdf1000]

9 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

I use my bootable image, I have never tried Windows on it. Probably not very good for running Windows.

 

It is somewhat smaller and cheaper than CL100 and consumes less power, and can be powered through typical +5V supply. CL100 is probably better if you want to run Windows.

 

For NAA type of use, Logic Supply now has also CL200, but I haven't got one yet...

 

 

Nice! I'm not interested in Windows anymore - much prefer your USB bootable image.

 

I see a different UP Square model on your website for recommended USB bootable NAA.

 

Will the UP-GWS01 be added under recommended hardware too?

 

[asdf1000]

1 minute ago, Miska said:

 

No, UpSquared is for the HQPlayer Embedded bootable image, and UpBoard is for the NAA image. Squared has Pentium-branded beefier CPU and higher power consumption (and cost), while the original Board has Atom-branded lower power consumption CPU.

 

 

Ahh yes,  noted.

 

Thanks.

 

[asdf1000]

@Miska does the UpBoard have a power on/off button? From Google Images searches I only see 3 sides and don't see a power button on any side.

 

I'd mostly leave it on but if I had to turn it off I wouldn't want to just yank the power cable out - unless it's ok with your USB bootable NAA image?

 

[asdf1000]

My LattePanda has been good.

 

It's onboard ethernet interface stutters at DSD512 though, so that's crap. But my StarTech USB3.0-gigabit ethernet adapter (AX88179 chipset) works flawlessly - I use it in the USB2.0 port and it's fine.

 

I use the USB3.0 port for the infamous Corning USB3.0 optical cable, which goes to the DAC.

 

And LattePanda is happily powered by my USB3.0 hub (my Pro iDSD DAC doesn't need 5VBus power, other than for handshake).

 

But for better reliability and support, best to copy what you're using. I'll get myself the Up Board too, if I get issues with LattePanda.

[asdf1000]

11 minutes ago, jabbr said:

What it tells me is that low power eg 5-10W and complete galvanic isolation may be the most important factors (but not enough data to be conclusive) ...

 

Possibly why many using iPhones/iPads as (5GHz ac) Roon endpoints have commented on the decent SQ... best with the device in 'do not disturb' mode of course. Playback is bit perfect. No HQP NAA mode though (yet).

 

[asdf1000]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:02 PM, Miska said:

his is hardware I use for NAA at the moment:

https://up-shop.org/home/81-up-gws01w4g-memory32g-emmc-boardwo-vesa-plate.html

(also works fine for HQPlayer Embedded doing upsampling to PCM output)

 

I picked up one of these, ordered direct from Up. I first checked it's running the latest BIOS update and it is.

 

It's happily powered by a USB3.0 port in my Startech USB3.0 7-port hub (with grounded DC plug power supply...). My iFi Pro iDSD DACs USB interface is not 5 V bus powered though.

 

I use this 22 AWG USB to 5.5 x 2.1mm DC power cable:

 

https://www.spacehifi.com.au/cables-and-connectors/usb-cables/usb-to-5.5mm-x-2.1mm-power-cable

 

Very happy indeed.

 

For ultra critical listening (like on the weekend) I can use the same USB-DC power cable to power Up with a Mophie USB powerbank..

 

 

[asdf1000]

Hi @Miska

 

Does your latest naa-355-x64 image support the RTL8812AU wifi chipset driver? For USB-WiFi adapter?

 

If not, possible to patch it in? Thinking of using NAA in a 3rd system which doesn't have ethernet cable access.

 

[asdf1000]

20 minutes ago, jabbr said:

Regardless of WiFi kernel drivers would be the issue of trying to config WiFi at all with his images — best to use a mainline kernel — 4.18 has new DSD mods and can be patched for RT

 

Ah yes, I forgot about that - the next steps like selecting the WiFi network and entering the network's password.

 

In another system I already have the Allo USBridge NAA doing DSD512 over WiFi ac, using the Asus USB-AC56 adapter (DietPi).

 

I do prefer Jussi's NAA image though - there's no 'surprises' on headphones... Would love his NAA image running on a 'low noise' NAA device, like USBridge, microRendu etc. Those only support NAA via DietPi OS and sonicOrbiter OS etc.

 

You can't always get what you want I guess ?

 

All

[asdf1000]

Hi @Miska

 

Is your RPi NAA image only for RPi USB audio output?

 

I tried it with an Allo DiGiOne HAT but couldn't get it to work.

 

Happy Holidays to you!

 

 

[asdf1000]

On 5/28/2018 at 5:54 AM, Miska said:

 

This is likely the problem because parsing a message parameter fails... It could be related to locale, but for integers I have hard time trying to figure out what could be different in locale that integer representation would change...

 

Have you checked if there's anything strange in the corresponding exchange at HQPlayer log side?

 

Just re-visiting this issue running NAA on MacOS.

 

I didn't show you last time when you asked but here is what HQPe log side is showing. Does it give any clues?

 

The same Macbook running Windows NAA (Bootcamp) has no issues, with everything else in the chain staying same.

 

I noticed : "2019/01/15 23:41:48 clPlayerDaemon::CreateEngine(): clHQPlayerEngine::Initialize(): clNetMiniEngine::Initialize(): adapter not found"

 

I had already disabled MacOS firewall to check if it was that.

 

  2019/01/15 23:41:47 libDSP version 20.6.0
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 HQPlayer Engine version 4.8.1
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 Number of processor cores: 4
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 DSP thread pools disabled
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 Pipelined DSP enabled
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 Audio engine: network
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 Network Audio IPv6 support disabled
  2019/01/15 23:41:47 Discovery from 0.0.0.0
& 2019/01/15 23:41:47 Discovered network audio: name='MacBook-Air.local' version='Signalyst Network Audio Daemon 3.5.5'  @192.168.1.70:43210
& 2019/01/15 23:41:47 Discovered network audio: name='MacBook-Air.local' version='Signalyst Network Audio Daemon 3.5.5'  @192.168.1.70:43210
  2019/01/15 23:41:48  Network endpoint: Built-in Microphone (41)
  2019/01/15 23:41:48  Network endpoint: Built-in Output (48)
  2019/01/15 23:41:48  Network endpoint: HDMI (58)
  2019/01/15 23:41:48  Network endpoint: Hugo2 (62)
  2019/01/15 23:41:48 Discovered 1 Network Audio Adapters
  2019/01/15 23:41:48 Input set channels: 2 (2)
  2019/01/15 23:41:48 InputSDM packing: 1
! 2019/01/15 23:41:48 clPlayerDaemon::CreateEngine(): clHQPlayerEngine::Initialize(): clNetMiniEngine::Initialize(): adapter not found
- 2019/01/15 23:41:48 Network engine stopping...
% 2019/01/15 23:41:48 ...configuration reloaded
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 asoundlib version: 1.1.3
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=3 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 0
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=7 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 1
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=8 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 2
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 Network Audio IPv6 support enabled
  2019/01/15 23:41:50 Discovery from ::
- 2019/01/15 23:41:52 Network engine stopping...
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Web configuration written
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 asoundlib version: 1.1.3
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=3 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 0
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=7 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 1
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Found ALSA device: hw:CARD=PCH,DEV=8 - HDA Intel PCH: HDMI 2
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Network Audio IPv6 support enabled
  2019/01/15 23:42:11 Discovery from ::
- 2019/01/15 23:42:13 Network engine stopping...
% 2019/01/15 23:42:13 Reloading configuration...

[asdf1000]

5 hours ago, Miska said:

 

That tells that the configured combination of NAA endpoint name and device id doesn't match with what is found.

 

 

Hmmm. So what can I try ?