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    Logitech Squeezebox Touch Review

    sbt-thumb.pngThe Logitech Squeezebox Touch outputs bit perfect digital audio at 16/44.1, 24/88.2 and 24/96 kHz. There I said it. I’ve been waiting to relay that fact to all Computer Audiophile readers for a couple weeks while finishing up this review. Support for high resolution audio via wireless streaming hasn’t come cheap over the last few years. The Logitech Transporter handled high resolution audio but started at $2000 and could easily double in price with some audiophile modifications. Bit transparency at 88.2 and 96 kHz via wireless for less than $300 is wonderful for audiophiles. If the Squeezebox Touch did nothing else correct it would still be worth the retail price. Fortunately there is much to like about the “Touch” including its sound quality.

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    <b>What Is The Touch?</b>

     

    The Logitech Squeezebox Touch is a small and simple network music streamer. It features a 4.3” touchscreen and highly functional remote control. The “Touch” connects to any 802.11 b/g wireless network or via wired Ethernet. Analog audio outputs include a standard 3.5mm headphone jack and single ended analog RCA connections. Digital audio is output via either optical Toslink S/PDIF or electrical coaxial S/PDIF. Those not interested in connecting the Touch to a network can attach a hard drive directly to the USB port on the rear of the unit. The USB port will become increasingly useful as more audio companies release music on USB devices. Currently Cardas offers its <a href="http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=music&content_id=9&pagestring=USB+Audio+Cards">USB Audio Cards</a> and I’ve seen a prototype from an audiophile record label with similar offerings in the works. Due to the cramped quarters behind the Squeezebox Touch a little USB extension/dongle will be required for these USB Audio Cards.

     

     

     

    <b>Touching The Touch</b>

     

    Constructed completely of plastic the Squeezebox Touch is certainly not a product from Apple. Its $299 price tag (and support for FLAC) is also a clear indication it’s not from Apple. The Squeezebox Touch is likely constructed with more plastic than all components in the typical audiophile’s equipment rack combined. This and the fact it’s from Logitech, not a traditional high end audio company, are hurdles audiophiles will just have to get over. The 4.3” plastic touchscreen is nice. It’s many times better than the <a href="http://www.mimomonitors.com/products/imo-pivot-touch">IMO Pivot Touch</a>, but nothing like the glass multi-touch screen on an iPod Touch. The Squeezebox Touch is pretty responsive and requires no calibration like many touch devices. Fat fingers and all I was able to navigate through the menus and control buttons easily without error. After many hours of use with both the touch screen and remote control there is no doubt the remote is the best way to navigate the Squeezebox Touch. Even as I write this the Touch is sitting on my desk next to my keyboard, yet I’m using the remote to control the unit. This isn’t a knock against the touch screen. It’s more of a compliment to the designers of the remote control. I was able to navigate the menus much quicker using the remote because of its shortcuts like the Home button and number keys that double as letter keys in the same way as a telephone touch pad. The remote control is not built from a solid block of aircraft aluminium like some audiophile components but it may be more feature rich and functional than some of those expensive bricks. Some users will be happy to learn the Squeezebox Touch can be controlled via third party automation systems like AMX and Crestron.

     

     

     

    <b>Configuring The Touch</b>

     

    There are a few different ways to get music to the Squeezebox Touch. The simplest may be using the built-in USB port, but that method has too many limitations making it less practical. For example adding new music from a CD would require removing the USB drive, ripping the CD to the USB drive, and reconnecting the USB drive to the Touch. I’m sure this method will work great for some readers and may be just the thing to get network-nervous audiophiles into the Squeezebox era.

    Another method of serving music to a Squeezebox Touch is through the Windows, Mac, or Linux version of Squeezebox Server currently at version 7.5.0. Using this method requires the server software to be installed on a computer. The software must run at all times for the Squeezebox Touch to access locally stored music. This configuration works best for users with a computer that contains all music on the local hard drive and can remain on 24/7. Sure this can also work with music stored on a NAS drive but there is a much better option when a NAS is in use.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/music-folder-location-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-folder-location"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/music-folder-location-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-folder-location-01"></a>The third method of serving music to a Squeezebox Touch entails running Squeezebox Server as a module on a NAS drive and pulling the music to the Touch directly from the NAS. This is the method I settled on for the review. I installed the <a href="http://naswebsite.com/wiki/Thecus_N5200_Module:_SQUEEZEBOXSERVER">Squeezebox Server module v. 7.5</a> on my Thecus N5200B Pro NAS. There is little configuration to be done via the web interface of the NAS module. The most important item is directing Squeezebox Server to the correct music folder on the NAS itself and scanning the music folder for music.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/advanced-tab-schedule-scan-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-schedule-scan"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/advanced-tab-schedule-scan-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-schedule-scan-01"></a>One minor gripe I have with this part of the Squeezebox Server software is the somewhat hidden and undocumented scheduled scan feature. Nobody wants to manually scan their library every time new music is added. For some reason Logitech has hidden this feature deep within the Advanced Tab. I overlooked this complete section during the first week of the review. Scheduled scans or auto scanning seems like one of the first features any company would enable and make very conspicuous. Scheduled scans are off by default and virtually impossible to find information about on the Logitech website or Google without the exact search terms. Users unfamiliar with the scheduled scan feature have likely been using the readily visible techniques.

     

    Logitech has made this at least workable for the uneducated by allowing one to clear the entire library and rescan everything or look for new and changed music only. This manual button is easily visible on the first page of the Server settings. Creating a MySqueezebox.com account is encouraged by Logitech and allows one to synchronize some device settings and browse the app gallery, but it’s really nothing to write home about. It’s free and is pretty painless so I recommend readers create this account during setup.

     

    Configuring the Squeezebox Touch device itself is fairly easy but not without some annoyances. The biggest time waster for me was attempting to connect the Touch to my 802.11n wireless network. I don’t like to read user manuals so I tried for about 20-30 minutes to get the Touch connected. Then I downloaded the manual and searched for 802.11. It was listed only once without specifying what type of 802.11 network is required. Reluctantly I tried the 802.11g band on my Airport Extreme Simultaneous Dual Band router. The Touch connected via 802.11g using WPA2 Personal encryption (not required) without a problem.

     

    Once connected to a network selecting the music library is as simply as browsing the touch panel and selecting the name of the library.

     

    The only other real annoyance I have is also related to wireless networking on the Touch. Whenever the power is lost to the unit it is necessary to reselect the correct wireless network. The Touch does remember the network name and password but for some reason is unable to automatically reconnect once power is regained. Simply browsing a few levels deep into the advanced menu allows the user to select the displayed wireless network name and all is well.

     

     

     

    <b>Using The Touch</b>

     

    During this review I used the Squeezebox Touch in two different audio systems. The main system consisted of the Touch pulling music wirelessly from my Thecus NAS and connecting via Kimber Select coaxial S/PDIF cable to the Weiss Engineering DAC202. Sound quality comparisons were conducted using this Touch based system versus a Windows 7 / J River Media Center 15 computer pulling music wired from my Thecus NAS and connecting via FireWire to the Weiss DAC202. The second system consisted of the Touch pulling music wirelessly from my Thecus NAS and connecting via Kimber Select coaxial S/PDIF cable to the Peachtree Audio Nova and a pair of Avalon NP 2.0 Evolution loudspeakers. The second system was placed outside my dedicated listening room in another area of the house.

     

    Browsing one’s music via the Squeezebox Touch is self explanatory with menus like Artists, Albums, and Genre. I’ve seen <a href="http://www.boulderamp.com/Products/1021%20Page.html">CD players</a> more difficult to operate. In addition to browsing through standard menus the Touch allows browsing through the folder structure of the music files. This is very handy if the music library has not been rescanned since the addition of new material. As I mentioned earlier, I really like the remote control and prefer it over the actual touchscreen. One reason for this preference is the ability to quickly select letters of the alphabet using the number keypad like a telephone. For example pressing the number seven four times on the remote quickly displays artists starting with the letter S. The way to do this via the touchscreen is to press and hold a little dot/scroll bar on the right of the screen and drag it downward. This method is a little difficult at first until the right “touch” is developed by the user.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/playback-window-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-playback"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/playback-window-thumb.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-playback-01"></a>Whether sitting in my listening chair or elsewhere in the house I also used the Squeezebox Touch web interface to control music playback. The multi-touch screen of an iPad works fairly well. I spent a few minutes trying to navigate a long list of artists without any success. Using two fingers to scroll was the simple solution. The 4.3” screen is on the borderline in terms of viewing it from the listening position. I usually sit between nine and twelve feet from my components. I was able to view the touchscreen enough to browse the menus via remote but I wouldn’t say I was easily and comfortably browsing the menus with my corrective lens aided vision. My familiarity with each menu certainly helped.

     

    The Squeezebox Touch has a fixed viewing angle reported to be around 35 degrees. This viewing angle works very well in a couple situations. When the Touch is positioned on a component rack and one is viewing the unit from the listening position the screen is angled appropriately. In addition the Touch viewing angle is great for desktop use when the unit is only a couple feet from the user. I found the Touch a little awkward when it was placed on top of my Avalon NP 2.0 Evolution loudspeaker at roughly 35” plus spikes on a wood floor. At 5’ 8” I’m not setting any height records but the Touch was still a bit low for the most comfortable use. Viewing the Touch at this height was OK, but angling one’s wrist unnaturally to navigate the menus was fatiguing. An adjustable screen angle could make this a non-issue for users set on using the touchscreen over the nice remote control.

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/my-screen-full.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-screen"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/my-screen-small.png" style="padding: 5pt 10pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="sbt-screen-01"></a>The Touch has five different background screen selections to view during playback. The default screen displays album art, track title, artist, album, and current track position. I used this screen most of the time as it provides the information I wanted to see. The other screens are somewhat cute but get old after a few hours. Namely the Volume Unit (VU) meter screen that harks back to the analog source days. It’s not a bad feature but it’s also not a feature I’d base a purchasing decision around.

     

    The Touch feature that surprised me most was how much I liked listening to radio stations through the device. I figured the usual Internet based radio stations and services like Pandora would be available much like nearly all devices of this type. Most of the Internet stations don’t thrill me although Pandora is a wonderful service. I was surprised at the number of local FM and AM stations available with a simple tap of the screen. I didn’t have to setup a custom feed or jump through any hoops to hear something local. This information is likely not new to die hard Squeezbox users but is a major selling point for people ready to dip their toes into the digital streaming water. Like any user I prefer not to purchase a component until I am certain it’s capable of meeting my needs. Logitech has already addresses this issue by offering a great <a href="http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/radiotime/radiotime.html">Station Search tool</a> (<a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-1.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 1</a>, <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-2.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 2</a>, <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/graphics/2010/0525/radio-3.png" class="thickbox" rel="sbt-radio">Image 3</a>). This allows potential buyers to search for radio stations they would like to hear through the Squeezebox instead of going through the hassle of purchasing the unit and returning it if it doesn’t meet the user’s needs.

     

     

     

    <b>Listening Through The Touch</b>

     

    Good sound from a plastic wireless music streamer for $299 may be a tough pill for some audiophiles to swallow. The Squeezebox Touch is far from a boutique product with a linear power supply and impeccable sonics. The device does have some weaknesses as most people would suspect. The typically noisy switching power supply is one weakness but it can be dealt with through proper isolation. There is no doubt the Touch stretches that $299 extremely far and will challenge some favored components for convenience and sonic superiority.

     

    The absolute best part of the Squeezebox Touch is its ability to pass bit transparent digital audio at high resolutions including 24 bit / 88.2 kHz and 24 bit / 96 kHz. Without this capability the device would’ve been nothing special. With this capability the device is now a serious contender. All the extra features and niceties are simply minutiae to the most serious audiophiles. Using the new Weiss Engineering DAC202’s built-in transparency test I was able to varify the following sample rates are completely bit transparent through the Logitech Squeezebox Touch.

     

    16 bit / 44.1 kHz, 16 bit / 48 kHz, 16 bit / 88.2 kHz, 16 bit / 96 kHz

    24 bit / 44.1 kHz, 24 bit / 48 kHz, 24 bit / 88.2 kHz, 24 bit / 96 kHz

     

    When sample rates above 24/96 are passed through the Touch they are halved by the unit. 176.4 kHz material is output at 88.2 kHz and 192 kHz material is output at 96 kHz. This conversion destroys all bit transparency. I prefer devices like the Touch that at least play the music even if it’s no longer perfect. Some devices will not play any material beyond the supported sample rates and that robs users of a musical experience.

     

    During the review I only used the Touch via wireless 802.11g. The real advantage of this device is its ability to stream via wireless. I figured if it could perform via wireless it could perform via wired Ethernet. I played hours of 24/88.2 and 24/96 material and only suffered one minor dropout during playback. This may have had nothing to do with the Touch but I can’t pinpoint the cause. Even playback of 24/176.4 and 24/192 wasn’t an issue in terms of wireless dropouts. Throughout the house the wireless network is setup very well with two Apple Airport Extremes, one running dual bands of 802.11g and 802.11n. My experience may not translate to all networks, but I can guarantee nearly perfect wireless performance is possible.

     

    My listening comparisons were all done using the coaxial S/PDIF output of the Touch into the coaxial S/PDIF input of the Weiss Engineering DAC202 and a Windows 7 PC running J River Media Center v 15 connecting to the DAC202 via FireWire. The Touch sounded really good with most music in my collection (Jazz, Rock, and Pop). Long term listening through the Touch wasn’t fatiguing but did reveal some sonically rounded edges and a tiny bit of dullness compared to the PC/FireWire system. I will not call the Touch a dull component overall. When compared to one of the best interfaces and software configurations available it appears just a tad dull. Without a direct comparison I’m willing to bet the Touch would fall right into place in most users’ listening environments and not raise any questions about dullness. The biggest weakness of the Touch was evident during complex dynamic classical pieces. One of my go-to tracks is Michael Daugherty’s Niagara Falls from Reference Recording’s Crown Imperial release performed by the Dallas Wind Symphony (<a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=030911111229">16/44.1 release</a> or <a href="https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=catalogdetail&valbum_code=HD030911111229">24/96 release</a> or <a href="http://www.referencerecordings.com/HRxORDER.asp">24/176.4 release</a>). Compared to the PC/FireWire system the Touch S/PDIF system was a little muddy and had a bit less separation of instruments, especially the drums, when the symphony really got going. Niagara Falls is a beautiful piece of music all the way through and offers some “highlights” throughout. At 1:40 and 3:15 into the track are some difficult passages to reproduce on some systems. The Touch didn’t best the PC/FireWire system but still offered good sound. At 5:18 there is a loud “WAP!” sound from an unknown (to me) instrument. Listening through the Touch there is a lack of texture to the sound when compared to the PC/FireWire system. This texture is even more evident on extremely resolving systems like the one I heard at Magico <a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Magico-Merging-Technologies-and-Matan">back in December</a>. I was in awe when we played this track through the new <a href="http://magico.net/magicoq/index.php">Magico Q5</a> loudspeakers. Despite these weaknesses I really like the Logitech Squeezebox Touch. The overall sound is very good through its digital outputs. What’s there not to like about wireless bit transparency at 88.2 and 96 kHz for less than $300?

     

     

     

    <b>Touch Wrap-up</b>

     

    <a href="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/ca/cash-logo-black.png" class="thickbox" rel="LinnDS-I"><img src="http://images.computeraudiophile.com/ca/cash-logo-black-thumb.jpg" style="padding: 5pt 5pt 5pt 5pt;" align="left" alt="CASH-List"></a>The Logitech Squeezebox Touch wireless music streamer is definitely not a classic high end audio component. Its plastic construction may even be frowned upon by some audiophiles. Those who aren’t overly stubborn and are willing to try the Touch will be rewarded by a very nice product. The Touch may not be the best everyday player in a high end system, but there are countless other great system configurations where the Touch will excel. As I complete this review I am listening through a pair of Ultimate Ears UE11 Pro earphones connected to the headphone jack in back of the Touch and accessing all my music wirelessly from my desktop without involving my computer. The $299 price tag of the Touch can’t be overestimated. For less than the sales tax on some audio cables the Squeezebox Touch offers wireless, high resolution, bit transparency, touchscreen, very functional remote, and very good sound quality. Although it’s far from perfect the low price, terrific features, and very good sound quality guarantee the Logitech Squeezebox Touch a spot on the Computer Audiophile Suggested Hardware List (<a href="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Computer-Audiophile-Suggested-Hardware-List">C.A.S.H.</a>).

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Product Information

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    <li>Price - $299</li>

    <li>Squeezebox Touch Product Page - <a href="http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/devices/5745">Link</a></li>

    <li>Squeezebox Touch Features Guide - <a href="http://files.computeraudiophile.com/2010/0525/sbt-fg.pdf">Link</a></li>

    <li>Supported Audio Formats - MP3, FLAC, WAV, AIFF, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, HE-AACv2, HD-AAC, Apple Lossless, WMA Lossless, APE, MPC and WavPack.</li>

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    Wonderful review Chris. I have a question though- does it support internet radio listening? I am currently subscribed to Sky.fm Premium internet radio and would like to stream that through the Touch to my dac.<br />

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    Thank you, Peter

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    Hi .Sup - Thanks for the kind words. I just played some Sky.FM music via the Touch. There is also an app to that can be installed, by browsing the app menu on the Touch, that's called Sky.FM. I installed the app as well. There is a place to enter account information, but since I don't have one I can't tell you what it does.

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    So there is hope! Fantastic, I will search for this app and try to learn more about it. Thank you very much! If I do decide to get the Touch I will be sure to post my impressions about it and the app here.

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    In some very basic words a linear power supply does have a mains transformer, an rectifier, some charging capacitor and a voltage regulator. So you have basically to deal only the some mains frequency to filter out and that can be done relative easy. A linear power supply can't be used over a larger mains voltage range like 100 V – 240 Volt, it must be bought to a specific mains voltage like 115 or 230, or must have a selector / switch to change from 115 to 230 or back.<br />

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    A switched power supply basically transforms (switches) the mains frequency into higher frequency region (depends on the products how far outside audio bandwidth, and also the method to do this), in order to have higher efficiency and so smaller size and weight. But this higher frequencies are much more difficult to filter out, so typically you get more noise on the power supply. They do work normally over a wide mains voltage range from 100 to 240 volt.<br />

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    There are huge differences in the quality in both technologies of power supplies and you must be aware, that a good linear power supply will cost you similar or more than the Squeezebox itself.<br />

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    This one is relative reasonable, but no idea about the quality:<br />

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    http://www.welbornelabs.com/squeeze.htm<br />

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    A friend of mine has this one and is happy with it:<br />

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    http://www.teddypardo.com/products/Powersupplies/TTouch.html<br />

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    A very good reputation has this one:<br />

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    http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/page7.html<br />

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    I have my own linear power supplies, so I personally can't give you any personal advices.<br />

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    Juergen

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    Thanks for the explanation and links - however, I indeed ask myself about the sense of a power supply more expensive than the SBT itself. Would be interesting of course to hear before buying. Maybe I'll check if those are available here in good ole Germany.<br />

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    Best regards,<br />

    Father12

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    Father12, I can understand your reservations. However, I've heard my Bolder power supply making the difference between acceptable and not acceptable sound. It's been a while since I compared in my own system, but I recently heard it with a Mcintosh MCD500, which was fed the digital signal from a SB Duet. The sound went from harsh and digital to acceptable by switching to the Bolder supply.<br />

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    However, there are alternatives today that are better than they were when I bought my Duet a couple of years ago. Specifically, I'm very hesitant to spend too much money on a PSU for the SB Touch. Given its 96 kHz limitation, this device will also only be an interim solution. I'm considering the Olive HD, which should have a decent power supply, I'm told.

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    VERY promising device. If it is able to play albums with no gaps (e.g. 'The Dark Side of The Moon') - I want one!<br />

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    Can you confirm if it plays FLACs gaplessly?

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    Yes, it does support gapless playback.

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    sorry for this, but how does this differ from the transporter? ie in what situation would one buy a transporter over this?<br />

    Thanks<br />

    Joshua

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    The Transporter has a better circuit, with better power handling (two separate toroidal mini-transformers) and I think better regulation, also it has a better DAC , has balanced outputs, has word clock in and out, can be used with in an effects loop (for instance with a sound processor for equalization). <br />

    So, the analog quality should be better, not speaking about the extra options not found on the Touch. Only as a digital transport, it still should be a little bit better. Now ,how much better, that is another story. I bought the Touch to use it as a digital transport, but that was also because I had a Weiss DAC2 with firewire input, and the extra cash for the Transporter to use it only as a digital out seemed too much. But still, Transporter is the better player or transport.<br />

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    Adrian

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    Adrian,<br />

    Thank you for the concise answer. Makes sense to me, but my wallet doesn't like you now :)<br />

    Joshua

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    There is quite a bit of discussion on this at the Slimdevices forum. Especially from the SB beta-testers, who have a lot of experience with both the Touch and Transporter.<br />

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    Summation of what they say:<br />

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    Transporter sounds better through analogue outs: as digital transport only, the Touch is very close to the Transporter. The consensus there seemed to be that if you planned on using your SB unit as a digital transport only, and already have a good external DAC, not much reason to buy the Transporter over the Touch.<br />

    <br />

    BTW, lots of users on other forums report improved analogue sound from the Touch by upgrading PS. Some also claim improved sound from the digital outs with better PS.

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    I copied the complete iTunes folder on an USB drive connected to the SBT. Unfortunately SBT server seems not to recognize the playlists. Strangely enough - when I choose the server software on my Mac in order to stream the music from the computer, the playlists are in. You just tick iTunes somewhere in the options and there you go.<br />

    Do you have similar problem or does somebody know, if the server software on the SBT itself is able to cope with iTunes data? Would be perfect of course, as you don't have to define your playlists from scratch...<br />

    <br />

    Thanks for your help!<br />

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    Father12

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    Father,<br />

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    A playlist is a linked list of files and folders. Ounce you move the files to another drive all linking to the playlist is gone.<br />

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    Thanks<br />

    Gordon

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    Thanks Gordon. Well, you think that is so although I copied the very same folder structure...? I'm really not sure that is the case. But who am I...?<br />

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    Cheers, Father12

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    Father,<br />

    <br />

    A linked list of files includes the source drive. Anytime anything in the link is changed, then the link is broken... including moving the songs to another drive.<br />

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    Also playlists are not included in the music file system. They are located in a different folder.<br />

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    Thanks<br />

    Gordon

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    I talked to the german hotline and the guy there told me it should work. But not being a native speaker, I'm not really sure if he got the point. <br />

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    Gordon, you're talking of absolute links, but I think it would not be a problem to have relative links if it is programmed like that. Within the iTunes folder there are 4 "iTunes-specific" files and I think that the playlists are fixed there - in one of these 4 files.<br />

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    I'll keep on asking around to see if I can find out more. <br />

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    Cheerio,<br />

    Father12

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    My experience with the Touch and a USBdisc is not a positive story.<br />

    Disconnecting and connecting the disc is a nuissance. The Touch will refuse attach the disc and e.g. tell me it could not connect to the wifi? <br />

    I can not recommend the Touch with a USBdisc. Sadly I thought this combination would suit me and is why I bought it.<br />

    <br />

    There is of course a possibility that the Touch does not like my Verbatimdisc but it really seems as the firmware is lousy.<br />

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    The idea is to let the USB disc connected and not to plug it on and off all the time. It tried 3 discs and only the 3rd was recognized (WD Elements 250 GB). This one runs pretty much flawless since then. There's btw no need to unplug it once it's connected as you can store new files then via the network.<br />

    I attached a second one via WLAN yesterday - took me 5 minutes and that was it.<br />

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    So in total I see only 2 issues with my setup: no playlists from iTunes so far and jumping to next song before it's finished from time to time.<br />

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    Cheerio, Father12

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    No one would be happier than I if I could leave the USB-disc attached to the Touch all the time.<br />

    Have not been able to reach it through my network even if the Touch gladly connects to various internetradio stations. (I really like that)<br />

    Time to call in the network technician I guess to get some relief. <br />

    <br />

    Thanks for your answer Father12<br />

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    I read that streams from a directly connected usb drive sounded worse than streams from a network. Also navigation of files on the usb drive is meant to be limited.

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    I find it hard to beleive that the 1s and 0s should be treated differently. Maybe some hardcore audiophile with an engineering education can find an explanation that involves difference between the electical circuits behind USB and network inputs.<br />

    Regarding navigation of files;<br />

    Well maybe there is a difference in the squeezeserver thats installs on the USB drive and the one you download to your computer. I don't know. <br />

    The menu system / firmware could benefit from a brush up.<br />

    That's my opinion.<br />

    One thing I do know is that the information that comes with the product is rather sparse.<br />

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    Edit<br />

    About USB input.<br />

    Just remembered that I have read about USB inputs in some DACs that were limited to 16bit. Maybe that is what raised your question.

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