Article: Objective and Subjective Review Of My 7.1.4 Immersive Audiophile System

[bbosler]

another good episode . As much as I enjoy the hardware discussion, since I'm pretty much set on that side of it, I am actually more interested in the software side. It would be nice to have a list of the music you mentioned in the article along with sources. Since some is on Apple, some only on disc, some elsewhere, it would be convenient (read "I am lazy") if we had a list rather than going through the article and trying to figure out where to get it

 

 I picked up a copy of  Le Sacre Du Printemps on Discogs for $13.50 incl. shipping. Not so lucky on the 2L stuff so that will cost me

 

I have the George Harrison vinyl box set, guess I should have gone for the one that has the discs

[bbosler]

8 hours ago, Kal Rubinson said:

10 hours ago, bbosler said:

 I picked up a copy of  Le Sacre Du Printemps on Discogs for $13.50 incl. shipping.

Which one?

the one Chris mentioned above

 

 

[bbosler]

6 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

12 hours ago, bbosler said:

he one Chris mentioned above

 

 

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Make sure you got the Blu-ray, not the SACD as pictured. 

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Make sure you got the Blu-ray, not the SACD as pictured. 

well CRAP !! so I just ordered the Amazon Blu-ray too... on a bright note I can compare them, but thinking the 5.1 mix on the Blu-ray is probably the same as the SACD... 

 

I am finding I really like how the Trinnov upmixes 5.1 and 2 channel to Auro 3D so I have hope. I know the purist cringe at the thought of an upmix... but it sounds great

 

I see "All Things Must Pass" in Atmos on Apple Music so the future is looking good

 

 

 

 

[bbosler]

 

19 minutes ago, Surge said:

I’m totally not into multi-channel music, nor DSP. While it may sound great, my goal is to reproduce a live event, and I’ve never been to live concert where there was a violin behind me.

 

1. Most recordings are not from live events. Therefore, your goal to reproduce a live event from anything other than a live recording is impossible.
2. The soundstage you get from a stereo recording is almost always an illusion. It never existed. It is just as fake (for lack of a better word) as any multichannel immersive recording
3. The goal of well done  immersive audio is not to place instruments where they would not otherwise be. At least it shouldn't be, and those experiments from the very early days of multichannel are way behind us.
4. I will venture that you've never heard immersive audio done well or you wouldn't make posts like this that show you have not

 

 

other than that, you were spot on 😉

 

 

[bbosler]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I agree mostly with this Bruce. However, the goal should never be singular. I love some recordings, such as Grateful Dead’s American Beauty, with harmonizing vocals raining down from the height channels. It’s creative and sounds fantastic. 

 

Agreed . My statement  "not to place instruments where they would not otherwise be" concerned early 4 channel when they would put an instrument someplace just because they could. Like drums behind you....

 

I too enjoy the creativity the artists are now showing with the immersive mixes. 

[bbosler]

2 minutes ago, Surge said:

When you are a concert like a symphony, instruments are in front of you. You are hearing 2nd and 3rd order (and higher) reflections from the venue. You will get that with a properly setup 2 channel system - it is mimicking the venue: sound emanates from the front only.

 

That's just wrong. In a concert hall sound is coming at you from many directions. There is no way the reflections in your room can mimic the reflections you hear in a hall. A properly recorded surround mix with a properly set up surround system will get much closer than relying on your room reflections

 

5 minutes ago, Surge said:

The other problem with DSP and EQ is that it does not take into account more than one channel. In reality, with multiple channels firing in the room, you get a mess of attenuation, cancellation, phase shifts, etc…

 

My Trinnov system does a very fine job of processing all my channels. Again, you are demonstrating your ignorance of the current state of the art. That you have never experienced a good system set up for immersive audio. You are guessing.

[bbosler]

9 minutes ago, Surge said:

 

 

5 minutes ago, Surge said:

The vast majority of music is recorded in 2 channel as you must be aware. So to listen to that you are creating fake tracks to drive all of your speakers.

 

Wrong again... it is not recorded in 2 channels. it is mixed down to 2 channels,

 

Why is mixing it down to 5 channels or more so unacceptable when mixing down to 2 is not? It is the same argument that popped up when the standard went from mono to stereo.