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On 11/27/2018 at 10:06 PM, qwak said:

 

From my experience, sound quality of Raspberry Pi streamer depend greatly on what HAT you use, as Dmitre mentioned 502 DAC is great (I haven't heard it personally). I like very much Digione Signature powered by batteries.

If you plan to use straight path from raspberry USB to your DAC I dont think you will hear benefits compared to NUC...

With great S/PDIF transport you should beat regular PC or NUC or even a lot of commercial streamers easily...

Also it is very easy to change operating system in Raspberry Pi- you just swap micro SD card in few seconds- so you can very easily try Volumio, Mood audio, picore player, ropieee etc and choose one you like most.

Volumio is great, probably best UI and feature set of all RPi systems - you can stream Tidal and Qobuz (but this is with 2,99€ subscription) but I was experiencing dropouts regularly with higher than CD quality streaming...

So with Volumio you have best UI but regarding sound quality I would try picore player or Moode...

 

Just FYI, MoodeAudio (now in version 4.3) supports direct stream from Tidal or Qobuz through upmpdcli and without the need to pay an extra 3€ monthly subscription. The "UI" for Tidal or Qobuz will be the one of the controller app you are going to chose (eg Linn Kazoo or Lumin App).

 

You will use Moode UI directly for accessing your library, maybe through the album view
 

MoodeAlbumView.png
 

...or the pre-configured web radios (you may add yours)

MoodeRadio.png

 

or maybe to pause/play or move to next/previous playlist item or  change volume from the playback "cover view"

MoodeCoverView.png

 

These are all just examples... maybe have a look at moodeaudio.org for a better desc of all features

 

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On 11/27/2018 at 10:31 PM, beerandmusic said:

 

Most, if not all, would disagree with spdif...it reportedly has more jitter...it may be better if you have "noise issues" but my understanding is that it is not the ideal transmission method provided everything else is ok.

 

I may try volumio anyway, because i like the idea of web interface!!  plus it will also install on x86 hardware.  I will see if i experience any issues with native DSD on x86 and volumio.

You might have a look at these measurements for Allo DigiOne Signature

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-measurements-of-allo-digione-signature-and-diyinhk-pro3z.4660/

I'm not sure how it compares directly to other devices, but in my understanding, it shows that jitter is definitely not an issue on the Spdif output of this device

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On 11/17/2018 at 7:05 PM, beerandmusic said:

ack, forget rune-audio...i just read last release was 2015...must have had a short life...but it did look promising?  The web interface looks a lot like volumio...maybe they sold it to volumio, or joint effort with volumio?  The interface resembles it too closely for it not to have a relationship between the two.

 

I am sure volumio is still being developed as the pro-ject streamer was just recently made available for sale, and it is using volumio.

 

Just for info, Volumio and Rune Audio derived from the same project (a group of people initially working together and they choosing different paths), Moode also derived from this work, as can b seen from Moode own contributors page (see Original Code):

Contributions to moOde audio player

User Interface

@swizzle: moOde Adaptive UI and many other contribs
http://moodeaudio.org/forum/

Feature and Technical

Walker Boyd, Brendan Pike: MPD/PHP configs for improved Library capacity
diyAudio moOde thread
Steve Bennett: UPnP configuration
diyAudio moOde thread @Serverbaboon
Ralf Braun: UPnP album art and metadata parsing
diyAudio moOde thread
Bob Daggg: Clock radio and Playback history log
diyAudio moOde thread @DRONE7
Alan Finnie: Logarithmic volume control (pre-MPD 0.20 series)
moOde Twitter Feed
Dr. Panagiotis Karavitis: Playback panel with integrated Playlist
Part-Time Audiophile - Contributors
Kent Reed: Numerous contributions to improve moOde and overall usability
diyAudio moOde thread @TheOldPresbyope
Klaus Schulz: Numerous contributions for improved audio quality
soundcheck's - audio@vise
@lazybat: Inspiration for Album Panel, Chinese utf8 character filter
https://github.com/moode-player/moode
@jesset: arm64 detection and reporting
https://github.com/moode-player/moode
Mike Thornbury, Gordon Garrity: Access Point (AP) mode
diyAudio moOde thread @Zootalaws (Mike)
http://iqaudio.com (Gordon)

Sources and Configs

Jean-Francois Dockes: upexplorer utility
http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upmpdcli
Andreas Goetz: Moode3 Prototype, Coverart module, Airplay metadata engine and many other code improvements
https://github.com/moodeaudio
Rusty Hodge: founder of Soma FM, Soma API
http://somafm.com
Yvon Landriault: Graphic Equalizer feature
Select from a variety of preset curves
Clive Messer and Martin Sperl: Experimental Advanced Audio Kernel (4.4.y-simple branch)
https://github.com/moodeaudio/linux
Klaus Schulz: Adv Kernel builds, RT/LL audio tunings, Squeezelite, Bluetooth and many UI improvements
soundcheck's - audio@vise
@Koda59: Moode OS Image Builder
diyAudio Moode thread
Richard Parslow: System config settings for keyboard and layout codes
diyAudio Moode thread

Core Components

Raspberry Pi by Eben Upton, Rob Mullins, Jack Lang, Alan Mycroft, David Braben, and Pete Lomas
https://www.raspberrypi.org/about
Raspbian by Mike Thompson (mpthompson), Peter Green (plugwash) and the entire Raspberry Pi community
https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianAbout
Debian Linux created by Ian Murdock in 1993
http://www.debian.org
Auto-Shuffle by Josh Kunz
https://github.com/Joshkunz/ashuffle
BlueZ Bluetooth protocol stack by Johan Hedberg
http://www.bluez.org
BlueZ ALSA backend by Arkadiusz Bokowy
https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa
Bootstrap by @mdo and @fat
http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap
Bootstrap-select by caseyjhol
http://silviomoreto.github.io/bootstrap-select
Eq10X2 Graphic Equalizer by Tim Goetze
http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#EqFA4p
EqFA4p Parametric Equalizer by Tim Goetze
http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Eq10
Crossfeed by Boris Mikhaylov
http://bs2b.sourceforge.net
Dnsmasq by Simon Kelly
http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
Flat UI by Designmodo
http://designmodo.github.io/Flat-UI
Font Awesome by Dave Gandy
http://fontawesome.io
Hostapd by Jouni Malinen
http://http://w1.fi/hostapd/
jQuery Adaptive Backgrounds by Brian Gonzalez
https://github.com/briangonzalez/jquery.adaptive-backgrounds.js
jQuery Countdown by Keith Wood
http://keith-wood.name/countdown.html
jQuery Knob by Anthony Terrien
https://github.com/aterrien/jQuery-Knob
jQuery Lazy Load by Mike Tuupola
http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/lazyload
jQuery MD5 by Sebastian Tschan
http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5
https://blueimp.net
jQuery Pines Notify (pnotify) by Hunter Perrin
https://github.com/sciactive/pnotify
jQuery scrollTo by Ariel Flesler
http://flesler.blogspot.it/2007/10/jqueryscrollto.html
jQuery TouchSwipe by Matt Bryson
http://www.github.com/mattbryson
Lato-Fonts by Åukasz Dziedzic
http://www.latofonts.com/lato-free-fonts
MiniDLNA by Justin Maggard
https://github.com/azatoth/minidlna
MPD by Max Kellermann and Warren Dukes
http://www.musicpd.org
MPD Audio Scrobbler by Henrik Friedrichsen
https://github.com/hrkfdn/mpdas
PHP by the PHP Team
http://php.net
Qix color-convert by Heather Arthur and Josh Junon
https://github.com/Qix-/color-convert
Shairport-sync by Mike Brady
https://github.com/mikebrady/shairport-sync
Shellinabox by Markus Gutschke, fork by Luka Krajger
https://github.com/shellinabox/shellinabox
SQLite v3 by the SQLite Team
http://www.sqlite.org
Squeezelite by Adrian Smith and Ralph Irving
https://github.com/ralph-irving/squeezelite
Udisks-glue by Fernando Tarlá Cardoso Lemos
https://github.com/fernandotcl/udisks-glue
Upmpdcli by Jean-Francois Dockes
http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upmpdcli/
WiringPi GPIO access library by Gordon Henderson
http://wiringpi.com

Original Code

Andrea Coiutti: WebUI design, HTML/CSS/JS coding
Simone De Gregori: PHP/MPD/JS coding and OS optimizations
http://runeaudio.com
Michelangelo Guarise: RaspyFi/Volumio enhancements, OS image build
- One and a half year of work more than Raspyfi's WebUI made by ACX and Orion
- Work has been performed by me, Jotak and other Volumio community members
http://volumio.org
Joel Takvorian (jotak? Library Loader and Panel v1
volumio forum post
Jan Sandred (jansandred? Radio Station PLS Files (original set)
volumio forum post

 

 

 

 

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On 11/28/2018 at 1:51 PM, Cebolla said:

The OP didn't mention audio formats, resolutions, etc - so for up tp 24-bit/96kHz LPCM, the $30 (optical audio cable extra) Google Chromecast Audio deserves a mention.

 

The Logitech Media Server software can provide the CCA with the required web browser controller user interface, as well its audio sources (including from internet radio & online services such as Qobuz, TIDAL, Spotify & Deezer), via the Chromecast bridge LMS plugin & relevant online music service LMS plugin(s). The Chromecast bridge plugin can even overcome the CCA's issue of lack of gapless playback support, if you engage the plugin's transcoder with the Flow option set to provide a continuous lossless FLAC stream.

...and LMS is running where?

To my understanding, you should factor in the price of another SBC for that (say a raspberry or the like)

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21 hours ago, Cebolla said:

 

The upmpdcli TIDAL & Qobuz access works perfectly with Linn Kazoo. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the Lumin app - the upmdpcli's  'direct stream' / Openhome Streaming Services (for TIDAL & Qobuz access) feature needs to be switched off, otherwise the Lumin app cannot see upmdpcli (& therefore any devce that uses it, such as MoodeAudio) for some reason yet to established by its developer.

 

So you cannot use the Lumin app's normal TIDAL & Qobuz screen views with upmpdcli and are restricted to the more cumbersome upmpdcli's (indirect) online services media server feature.

 

 

BTW, did you factor in the potential cost of the hand held device, for running apps like Lumin, that the OP clearly wasn't happy using anyway? ☺️

Touché

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