Getting rid of CD's?

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On 7/29/2017 at 11:23 PM, sdolezalek said:

Simple question: If you destroy or give away the CD's, how could you ever prove that you have a valid license to the digital copies you kept of those CD's?  Even if you kept all your receipts for the purchases, how could you prove that you didn't sell the CD's?

 

Simple question: who is asking for valid licenses for his music? Can you provide me some names or organizations who are planning on raiding his computer and his home, demanding to see proof before he's allowed to listen? 

 

OP, do whatever you want to do. If you want to keep them, go for it. If you want to get rid of them, go for it. No one in the real world cares [or knows], and no one in the real world has any authority to do anything even if they did [they don't]. 

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On 8/3/2017 at 6:01 AM, Jud said:

 

Quite clear in the UK.  Different countries have different laws. 

 

Which country has the most "ethical" laws? Which country is the most "right" and which country is the most "wrong" on this topic? Anyone? 

 

On a side note, should buying used CDs be illegal? I've seen it claimed amongst music fans that the used market shouldn't exist because it's morally/ethically/financially wrong. Garth Brooks fought against the used market as well. Should one refrain from buying CDs as it enables possible illegal/unethical behavior [by the previous owners]?  

 

How far down this rabbit hole can we go? 

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So, just going on the idea here that digital files should be discarded after CDs are sold because it enables you to listen to them [and that's a no-no]....does that mean I should wipe songs from my memory after I sell the CDs? Should I not sing them or listen to them in my mind/imagination because the artist is not being paid? Am I morally wrong here and unethical to memorize music notes and song lyrics and melodies and vocals? 

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8 hours ago, Teresa said:

 

I agree!

 

They do shut music torrent sites down, however they reopen with a slightly different address. The problem is most of these sites are in Russia.

 

What if an item is completely out of print, and the rights holders aren't making any money off it, and the family/performer isn't either? And you can get the albums on torrent because you can't legally purchase a new copy? Should the torrent still be shut down? 

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3 minutes ago, esldude said:

Legally yes. Just because rights holders aren't making it available doesn't mean you get rights by abandonment.

 

What about morally? 

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If this issue is as distressing in the real world as it seems to be in some of the forum's members' worlds, how come whenever I hear of a band break up or stop performing, it's never because they don't make enough money from CD sales, it's always because of other factors? (drugs, personality differences, other interests, etc.) Are the members of the bands just simply misinformed about where their finances need to be coming from and the types of stresses that lead to their break ups?

 

Basically, what I'm saying, is that in 2017, this whole discussion and topic is completely meaningless because that's not how the industry or the world operates now, and it never will again. Any problems people have with ripping/disposing/reselling of CDs simply exist in their own minds and don't exist in the real world.

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1 hour ago, Paul R said:

 But until the laws are changed, if you sell the CD the only way to be sure you still have the rights to play the music is to buy another copy of the same CD.

 

-Paul 

 

Who, besides on this forum and the Hoffman forums, are sitting around having a debate and a moral wrestle with themselves/others over the fact they may or may not be legally able to be playing a file?

 

Who else does this keep up at night? Who is sitting around hesitating before they hit "play" and dreading the fact they may make the wrong decision?

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4 hours ago, agladstone said:

I (almost) wish I was a Millennial! I'm actually pushing 50:( !!

And as I've stated, I personally have more than 4,000+ physical CD's and about 600+ SACDs and about 100+ DVD-A's and Blu-Ray Audio discs proudly stored in nice cabinets at home! I'm not selling any of mine, even though I basically only open them once after being bought to rip them and then they get stored forever untouched! 

However, even though I choose to keep my physical CD collection and I'm proud of it and admire it, there will be NO consequences nor legal complications to anyone who so chooses to buy a physical CD, rip it, and then sell it whilst keeping the ripped copy for themselves. Thus if it's within their own moral and ethical comfort zone, they're free to do so without fear of any consequences regardless of what some archaic draconian law may actually say, it will not (as in never) actually be enforced from now going forward.  

Its actually illegal to have "doggy style" or "cow girl" or anal sex in many states still in the USA and it's also still actually illegal in many states in the USA to drink, buy or sell alcoholic beverages on a Sunday (in Pennsylvania where I live it's even technically still illegal for a business to even be open on a Sunday)! 

However, thousands upon thousands of people have "doggy style" often and even in sundays while under the influence of alcoholic beverages on a Sunday that they bought at one of thousands of stores open on that said Sunday and would never give any of the above one moments thought or concern nor would they ever actually be arrested for any of it, yet it is all still technically illegal per a draconian law! 

Buying a CD, ripping it, keeping that rip, and selling that CD at a garage sale to a neighbor for $1.00 has become exactly the same as drinking a beer in a nice Sunday afternoon and then having sex in any other position besides missionary with your wife, girlfriend, partner etc. It's the same exact difference, it may still be technically "against the law", but the law is old and no longer enforced! 

So,, do whatever you want with a CD after you buy it for full retail, it's up to you and only you, no one else cares!! 

 

Same here, I've purchased around 3,000 CDs, support local music shows, buy merch, buy downloads, legally stream music, etc. I don't have any issue morally purchasing used CDs just because someone may or may not have ripped it before me. I don't personally sell my CDs, I keep them all for a variety of reasons. But I have no moral issue with selling CDs and ripping them or loaning them out to friends--- by that logic, let's ban all libraries because thousands of people read books without the author being paid for each and every single one. It's ridiculous. 

 

Besides, no one asked my opinion on the law when they made it, and no one bothered updating the law to how we live in 2017. 

 

So certainly, do whatever you'd like to do ---- keep them, not keep them, rip them, not rip them, etc. ---- just don't expect others to follow your own brand of morality, and don't push on others to follow it either, especially when it's (essentially, for all intents and practical purposes) a victimless crime. 

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7 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

 

No one said a purchaser should have to worry whether the seller has deleted the rips from a CD they are selling. They are selling the CD and any license that would have allowed to have the rips in the first place.

 

 

Fair enough, but there are people out there who believe the used market for CDs should not exist. I don't have any problem with the used market or people ripping and selling. 

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8 hours ago, Paul R said:

 

And your point is - what exactly?   That if someone takes care to ensure their music collection is legal, they are wasting their time? 

 

 

Yes, that's a GREAT way to put it. Also, fretting over whether someone else's collection is legal is also a big waste of time. Also, it unnecessarily causes fighting on the forums. 

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8 hours ago, fheller said:

Everything is illegal.

Just build a wall around your Cds.

Is the law legal? Made up by the clowns?

 

Clowns are illegal too!

http://www.businessinsider.com/arrested-wearing-a-clown-mask-2016-10

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11 hours ago, Teresa said:

 

However, I have sinned in the past. However over time, with the help of many kind people here I learned that what I did was morally wrong and illegal because I sold the discs.

 

Unsure if real or satire....

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2 hours ago, bellhead said:

How do those who hold on to their CDs (for any reason) store them? Do you use a binder or anything that takes up less room than the original jewel cases? Thanks.

 

What about SACDs or special redbook pressings?

 

I use Jazz Loft sleeves:  http://www.spacesavingsleeves.com/

 

They're amazing and work perfectly. They save so much space it's incredible.